Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 46290

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Just OK isn't good enough

Posted by coral on October 13, 2000, at 17:09:22

I won't settle for "just ok." Tackling the severe clinical depression I experienced --- including enough meds to fill a small pharmacy --- taught me the importance of vitality in life. Yes, I've been knocked to my knees with a thousand pounds of rocks on my back by the depression; Yes, I've trembled so badly that my teeth chattered from both anxiety and panic attacks. Those are the personal hells I've experienced, literally winding up temporarily psychologically crippled. However, my fight isn't to just get rid of the disorders, and I won't settle for just ok. I'm going to keep fighting to live a full, vital life, filled with ups and downs, sadness and joy, success and failure, but with all of the richness life has to offer.

 

Re: Just OK isn't good enough

Posted by JohnL on October 14, 2000, at 6:36:24

In reply to Just OK isn't good enough, posted by coral on October 13, 2000, at 17:09:22

> I won't settle for "just ok." Tackling the severe clinical depression I experienced --- including enough meds to fill a small pharmacy --- taught me the importance of vitality in life. Yes, I've been knocked to my knees with a thousand pounds of rocks on my back by the depression; Yes, I've trembled so badly that my teeth chattered from both anxiety and panic attacks. Those are the personal hells I've experienced, literally winding up temporarily psychologically crippled. However, my fight isn't to just get rid of the disorders, and I won't settle for just ok. I'm going to keep fighting to live a full, vital life, filled with ups and downs, sadness and joy, success and failure, but with all of the richness life has to offer.

SALUTE! I like your determination Coral!

You know what? As difficult as the whole mess seems, it actually comes down to a very simple fact...your symptoms are caused by one, or a couple, of ten different general categories of brain chemical imbalance. Find the medication that targets that chemistry directly and you will experience total cure. Simple to say, not so easy to do. But there are hundreds, thousands, perhaps millions of cases to prove that this is true.

I'm curious. Could you share with us 1)What medications have you tried, and 2)What were the responses to each?
John

 

Re: Just OK isn't good enough

Posted by coral on October 14, 2000, at 10:02:25

In reply to Re: Just OK isn't good enough, posted by JohnL on October 14, 2000, at 6:36:24

> "...your symptoms are caused by one, or a couple, of ten different general categories of brain chemical imbalance..." I don't totally agree - the old chicken/egg syndrome. Yes, a chemical imbalance occurs and it is concurrent with the depression/anxiety/panic attacks. I see it as a combination of cause and effect so success/healing for me is a combination of meds and therapy.

Xanax - like being wrapped up in thick cotton batting with a complete memory wipe
Valium - god-awful nightmares that would keep Stephen King awake
Valerian - agitation
Tofranil - no effect at the highest dosages
Same is true w/the other tri's
Elavil - enraged me
Thorazine - hyperdelay in response - someone would ask me something on Tuesday and I'd answer on Wednesday
Talwin - incredible hallucinations, both awake and sleeping
Traxene - moderate delay -
Seconal - intense sleep for two hours then wide awake
Synthroid - extreme agitation, increased bp,
Etrafon - no effect
Tenuate - no ability to concentrate but I could do menial tasks
Dexamine - agitation
Percodan - a sense of unreality
Herbals - zippo
There are more meds for this list, but the side effects were so intense that I couldn't tolerate them for more than a day or two.


I realize this is an unorthodox list - I went through 11 docs before finding the right one. I wasn't doc-hopping, but when their particular "regimen" left me off worse than before, I found another doc. From what I've learned, I'm astonished at the particular meds that were prescribed.

My trip to hell started with tachycardia at 3 am, heart rate of 155. I had a severe endocrine imbalance that wasn't diagnosed for three and a half years. Due to the damage to my system, I'll be on estrogen for the rest of my life, and probably tenormin as well. I received such incredibly poor medical treatment that I still feel rage at two of the docs. who blithely ignored the lab tests and continued upping doses of meds. that were harming me. Had the statutes not run out by the time I was well, I would've sued. In my case, it was desperation and luck that saved me. I was at work (I'm a consultant) and everything collapsed. The pain in my head was so bad, I was so disoriented, I thought I was stroking out. The ONLY doc I trusted at that point was my gynecologist and I FLEW into his office, hysterical. He took one look at me as I was bouncing off the walls in his office and said, "You're not stroking out. You're carrying 20 lbs of water weight and whatever the HELL you're on is driving you crazy. STOP taking everything," and he sent me to a marvelous endocrinologist. After a two-hour consultation with the endocrinologist, his review of my thick medical file, a full lab work-up, he found the endocrine imbalance.

My "winning" combination that kicked both depressive episodes was: zoloft, librium and ambien in conjunction with an incredible therapist.

So, that's a snapshot of my story. So, I'm leery of the pill-pushers who do so without proper diagnostics.

Thank you for your kind words. As I said, I'm not going to settle for "just ok." I have the ability to life a full, rich life and am going to do so, depression/anxiety/panic be damned.

Coral

> I'm curious. Could you share with us 1)What medications have you tried, and 2)What were the responses to each?
> John

 

Re: Just OK isn't good enough

Posted by JohnL on October 15, 2000, at 3:21:44

In reply to Re: Just OK isn't good enough, posted by coral on October 14, 2000, at 10:02:25

Coral,
I wish I could help in some way maybe, but I don't even know what those drugs are. Talwin? Traxene? Seconal? Etrafon? What are these?

I know of a book that can help you figure out what's going on. It will tell you why you reacted poorly to this or that, what it means, why this or that didn't work, what it means, what to try next, what chemistry might be underlying this whole thing, statistical graphs showing what percent of patients experienced a total cure on the various med classes for various symptoms, and stuff like that.

Your answer is in this book. I highly recommend it. It could easily be the turning point you're looking for. Title The Successful Treatment of Brain Chemical Imbalance. Author Dr Martin Jensen. Before you do anything else, order this book. Go to www.drjensen.com to order. If you want to be more than just OK, this book will be your roadmap to get you there, and provide understanding of what the heck is going on.
John

 

Re: Just OK isn't good enough JohnL - ISBN? » JohnL

Posted by Tori on October 15, 2000, at 19:09:12

In reply to Re: Just OK isn't good enough, posted by JohnL on October 15, 2000, at 3:21:44

Hi John,

I can't find that book anywhere on chapters.ca. What is the ISBN#?

Thanks so much

Tori

 

Re: Just OK isn't good enough - ISBN

Posted by JohnL on October 16, 2000, at 3:15:04

In reply to Re: Just OK isn't good enough JohnL - ISBN? » JohnL, posted by Tori on October 15, 2000, at 19:09:12

> Hi John,
>
> I can't find that book anywhere on chapters.ca. What is the ISBN#?
>
> Thanks so much
>
> Tori

Tori,
ISBN# is 0-7872-0591-5
Kendall/Hunt Publishing Company
Dubuque, Iowa

Most bookstores and online bookstores carry it, though it is often sold out. The easiest way to get it is directly from the author at www.drjensen.com.
John

 

Re: Dr. Jensen's book-found it in Candada » JohnL

Posted by Tori on October 16, 2000, at 15:28:12

In reply to Re: Just OK isn't good enough - ISBN, posted by JohnL on October 16, 2000, at 3:15:04

This is the only one I found with a slighly different name - in Canada.

The book below is expensive enough!

Chemical Imbalance
by Author Martin Jensen
 
  Our Price: $60.58
Chapter 1 Club Price: $54.52
Paperback | 192 Pages | ISBN 0787205915
Published in January 1996 by KendallHunt Publishing Company

I think I'll check the local library first to see if they have it.

Thxs for the info!

 

Re: Dr. Jensen's book-found it in Candada

Posted by MK1 on October 16, 2000, at 16:56:38

In reply to Re: Dr. Jensen's book-found it in Candada » JohnL, posted by Tori on October 16, 2000, at 15:28:12

I found it on Amazon.com for $ 24.00.

 

Re: all sorts of books

Posted by Dr. Bob on October 17, 2000, at 0:01:14

In reply to Re: Dr. Jensen's book-found it in Candada, posted by MK1 on October 16, 2000, at 16:56:38

> I found it on Amazon.com for $ 24.00.

It's not very prominent, the link up at the top of the main page, but books recommended by people here are listed at:

http://www.dr-bob.org/books/

Bob

 

Re: Dr. Jensen's book-found it in Candada MK1 » MK1

Posted by Tori on October 18, 2000, at 4:59:40

In reply to Re: Dr. Jensen's book-found it in Candada, posted by MK1 on October 16, 2000, at 16:56:38

> I found it on Amazon.com for $ 24.00.

Yeah, but in Canadian pesos that would cost me a heck of alot of money. Thanks anyways.

 

Re: Dr. Jensen's book-found it in Candada MK1

Posted by David Newhouse on October 19, 2000, at 9:16:45

In reply to Re: Dr. Jensen's book-found it in Candada MK1 » MK1, posted by Tori on October 18, 2000, at 4:59:40

The revised addition of the book will be available in about 3 weeks through dr. Jensen himself. However, if your like me and don't want to wait, you can find it at Barnes @ Nobles.com

> > I found it on Amazon.com for $ 24.00.
>
> Yeah, but in Canadian pesos that would cost me a heck of alot of money. Thanks anyways.


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