Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 44634

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Not an expert

Posted by stjames on September 11, 2000, at 19:18:40

I think it bears mention that I am in no way an expert
in psyco matter. I hold no degree or training in this field.
I am an expert in music, 1600's to present. Performance practices, rep,
form, anaylisis and music theory. Retail management. Computer network admin and
sys op. I either hold a degree, have certification, or am paid to work in
these areas.

Otherwise i am just a patient who has read a lot. I tend to use expressions
like: generally, it seems, maybe, to indicate I am not an expert. i do think the neat
thing about this board is that we can all compair notes. having 15 years on lots of different
meds I can speak to what they were like, for me, and how i handeled any side effects.
I work under the assumption that any information or sugestions given are run by a doc.
I read and then discuss with my doc and we decide together. It is also important to
sometimes let the docs decide, so they can feel important and useful, too.

There, I feel better. Reading over my past posts the tone of authority always
gives me pause. My ADD is showing itself. It matters of serious nature I can be
quite blunt in delivering the straight dope according to stjames.

james

 

Re: Not an expert

Posted by allisonm on September 11, 2000, at 20:04:23

In reply to Not an expert, posted by stjames on September 11, 2000, at 19:18:40

James,

You may not have a degree in this, but you have many years of experience and study in the field. That is enough for me to consider you a resident expert here.

I cannot speak for anyone but myself, but I certainly understand that your posts are from your experiences and are your opinions. I value your input. You have a lot of common sense in addition to your knowledge, and you have brought up issues that have caused me to think about things in a way that I may not have otherwise. Don't worrry. Thank you for being here and helping us. You are one of the reasons why I stay here.

Best regards,
Allison

P.S.: That's interesting that you are highly educated in music. I work for a music school at a university.

 

Re: Not an expert

Posted by stjames on September 11, 2000, at 20:23:08

In reply to Re: Not an expert, posted by allisonm on September 11, 2000, at 20:04:23


> P.S.: That's interesting that you are highly educated in music. I work for a music school at a university.

James here....

Yes, this is one of the joys of ADD ! So many things are intresting.
The French Symbolist poets, the effect of photography and war on creating
the first modern art forms, such as Dada and abstraction. Frank Lloyd Wright. Ceramics, I just made my first 2 pots !

james

 

Re: Not an expert

Posted by ksvt on September 11, 2000, at 22:22:36

In reply to Re: Not an expert, posted by stjames on September 11, 2000, at 20:23:08

>
> > P.S.: That's interesting that you are highly educated in music. I work for a music school at a university.
>
> James here....
>
> Yes, this is one of the joys of ADD ! So many things are intresting.
> The French Symbolist poets, the effect of photography and war on creating
> the first modern art forms, such as Dada and abstraction. Frank Lloyd Wright. Ceramics, I just made my first 2 pots !
>
> james

James - your post was of interest because I've had some conversations lately about this with my therapist, who has been less than supportive of my participation on this board. I don't rely on this board for definitive medical advice and I think people here are very careful not to offer that. I do find that the experiences of others has helped me to formulate the right questions, and to feel that I am a more active participant in trying to find medical solutions that work for me. Let's face it - we all have more experience with these drugs than we would like to. Keep your posts coming. ksvt

 

Re: Not an expert

Posted by stjames on September 11, 2000, at 22:48:43

In reply to Re: Not an expert, posted by ksvt on September 11, 2000, at 22:22:36


> James - your post was of interest because I've had some conversations lately about this with my therapist, who has been less than supportive of my participation on this board. I don't rely on this board for definitive medical advice and I think people here are very careful not to offer that. I do find that the experiences of others has helped me to formulate the right questions, and to feel that I am a more active participant in trying to find medical solutions that work for me. Let's face it - we all have more experience with these drugs than we would like to. Keep your posts coming. ksvt

James here....

I am glad people understand the context of my posts,
I do try to make it clear what is fact and what is opinion.
I can see how some doc's don't like the internet, there is a valid
consern about factual information. Some doc's like to play god. A primary care doc I
had told me not to read the PDR. When I asked him to justify this statement he looked troubled.
I told him that unless he was willing to spend more than 5-10 mins with me to answer questions
I would always do research on my own as he seemed to not have enough time for this. I moved to someone else who was not threatened by me doing research.
I have had good luck with pdoc's, all 3 did not mind me reading on my own. I always bring URL's for my present doc
to look at. He really enjoyed Dr Bobs tips section.

James

 

Re: Not an expert stjames

Posted by Cam W. on September 12, 2000, at 6:18:04

In reply to Not an expert, posted by stjames on September 11, 2000, at 19:18:40

James - Expert is such term relative. An expert in psychiatry is someone who knows enough about mental disorders to realize that he/she actually knows nothing. The more you understand a disorder, the less you will really know about it.

Disclaimers are good. Instead of having them at the top of the page , they should be printed in a bright color at the top of every post. We can only know as much as current scientific theory allows.

James, you know much more than most post seconadary pharmacists that I have met. - Cam

(P.S. - Music expert, eh? Okay who wrote the original version of Led Zeppelin's "Gallows Pole" and what was it called?)

 

Re: Not an expert

Posted by stjames on September 12, 2000, at 12:10:30

In reply to Re: Not an expert stjames, posted by Cam W. on September 12, 2000, at 6:18:04

> James, you know much more than most post seconadary pharmacists that I have met. - Cam


And all I did was read the PDR cover to cover !
There is a bid difference in book knowlage vs. actually taking the meds. That is what is cool about this list. My first pdoc actually
sampled everything she perscribed. "James, I took this pill once and it knocked me flat on my ass"
I found this very comforting, she had been there too.

>
> (P.S. - Music expert, eh? Okay who wrote the original version of Led Zeppelin's "Gallows Pole" and what was it called?)

I would have to consult the album, I think I have that one. If you want something off the top of my
head then stick to classical so I can put 4 yrs of music history to use ! (I get the feeling I have opened the door to something)

james

 

Re:Not an expert/but I play one on TV-just kidding

Posted by Nibor on September 12, 2000, at 15:02:47

In reply to Re: Not an expert, posted by stjames on September 12, 2000, at 12:10:30

Sorry everybody. This thread brought to my constantly racing (unfortunately in every-which-way directions) mind the commercials with the disclaimers featuring actors who play doctors.
Anyway, we are all, every one of us, experts in how we feel and sometimes that is what we are looking for from each other. How did this xxx make you feel? What do you think about xxx?
I agree that there is some very weird advice out there, but there is also some great stuff. And this site has Dr.Bob and others on board to keep out anything dangerous.
Nibor

 

Re: Not an expert ksvt

Posted by JohnB on September 12, 2000, at 16:34:00

In reply to Re: Not an expert, posted by ksvt on September 11, 2000, at 22:22:36


> James - your post was of interest because I've had some conversations lately about this with my therapist, who has been less than supportive of my participation on this board.

I don't want to dis all the good docs out there, but there is something subversive in patients getting together to share info, and doing their own research. I rarely mention things I've found out on my own or bring printouts to docs anymore, because I mostly get a derisive attitude. There's this whole kabuki theatre played out where the doc is this god-like all-knowing father figure and the patient is the supplicant ignorant child. But of course, it has to be that way, else how to justify those fees.

 

Re: Not an expert

Posted by ksvt on September 12, 2000, at 21:23:09

In reply to Re: Not an expert ksvt, posted by JohnB on September 12, 2000, at 16:34:00

>
> > James - your post was of interest because I've had some conversations lately about this with my therapist, who has been less than supportive of my participation on this board.
>
> I don't want to dis all the good docs out there, but there is something subversive in patients getting together to share info, and doing their own research. I rarely mention things I've found out on my own or bring printouts to docs anymore, because I mostly get a derisive attitude. There's this whole kabuki theatre played out where the doc is this god-like all-knowing father figure and the patient is the supplicant ignorant child. But of course, it has to be that way, else how to justify those fees.

JohnB - I don't know whether anyone else has had to address this, but both my therapist and my spouse have been rather disapproving of my participation on this board. My therapist's concern is that I will rely on the anecdotal information supplied by persons whose unique medical circumstances are unknown to me, to influence my willingness to follow the meds advice of my pdoc. She unfortunately interpreted my desire to seek other info as disatisfaction with my pdoc. She doesn't seem to be overjoyed about the notion that I may be looking to the internet for emotional support. My husband is a slightly different story. He seems to think I'll make depression a huge part of my life if I "commiserate" with other depressed people. I'm still trying to sort through how I turn these folks around. I imply no criticism. They've both been pretty supportive, and in the case of my spouse, I really don't think I've done much of a job of clueing him into what goes on with me. ksvt

 

Re: Not an expert

Posted by JohnL on September 13, 2000, at 5:37:21

In reply to Not an expert, posted by stjames on September 11, 2000, at 19:18:40

James,

But you ARE an expert. You might not have medical diplomas and credentials plastered all over your walls, but that doesn't mean a thing. Sure it deserves a disclaimer, but that's as far it goes. And for that matter, ALL supposedly expert psychiatrists would have to offer the same disclaimer...their advice might be bad, and they might not get us better. Real expertise as I see it comes from personal research and personal experience. An expert on drag racing engines for example didn't learn his/her best hotrod tricks from a class or a book, but from realworld experience under the blazing heat of the dragstrip.

I would wager a bet...put any psychobabble regular, including you, up against a psychiatrist. The contest is to see who can get a depressed patient well the fastest. I'm placing my bets on you James.

Disclaimer well taken. But like I said, even a supposed credentialed expert would have to offer the same disclaimer. They don't know any more, and probably less, than you do.
John

 

Re: Not an expert

Posted by Phil on September 13, 2000, at 6:18:23

In reply to Re: Not an expert, posted by JohnL on September 13, 2000, at 5:37:21

James, Hell man, you've been 'prescribing' my meds for a couple of years now!
I think from now on if people ask who my shrink is I'll just tel em I consult a classical singer in New Mexico. A saint that lives in the mountains. That ought to pique their interest, eh?
Thanks for the no bullshit answers on meds.

Phil

 

Deus ex solaris/the sun burped

Posted by stjames on September 14, 2000, at 0:23:06

In reply to Re: Not an expert, posted by Phil on September 13, 2000, at 6:18:23

> James, Hell man, you've been 'prescribing' my meds for a couple of years now!
> I think from now on if people ask who my shrink is I'll just tel em I consult a classical singer in New Mexico. A saint that lives in the mountains. That ought to pique their interest, eh?
> Thanks for the no bullshit answers on meds.
>
> Phil

James here....

Thanks. You will always get the straight dope from me. Sorry if it
hurts sometimes. New Mexico has instructed and coverted me, I am less of
a saint and more of a Shaman there days.

Outside Folks ! It is the havrest moon tonight. Father Sky and Ra will be
showing us their miracles shortly. The sun threw a huge CME (coronal mass ejection)
our way tuesday and it will be here thursday. A. borelais and A. australus will be seen
more south (for the states) than normal. Father Sky will completely
protect Mother Earth from the CME, as he always does.

Take a look at SOHO, your tax dollars at work !
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime-images.html
Lasco 2 and 3 are the best.

Off with the cat to get a moon tan.

james

 

Re: shamanjames

Posted by Phil on September 14, 2000, at 10:56:45

In reply to Deus ex solaris/the sun burped, posted by stjames on September 14, 2000, at 0:23:06

James, New Mexico has always held quite an attraction to me and I'm getting priced out of Austin really fast. With all the high tech here, this once very cool, sleepy college town is now bursting at the seams and the old hippies are vanishing. They are being replaced by 24 y.o.'s driving Ferrari's(no offense meant to the youth)and the real estate prices here, in approximately 1 1/2 years will rival Silicon Valley.
If I didn't find this 360.00 a month garage apt. 4 years ago I'd be SOL.
Any recommendations for finding myself a spiritual spot there where I can eek out a living and stay semi-sane?
Any input greatly appreciated.
Phil

 

Re: Not an expert stjames

Posted by noa on September 14, 2000, at 15:45:46

In reply to Not an expert, posted by stjames on September 11, 2000, at 19:18:40

James, I value your contribution here so much. I see you as someone who is reliable about providing knowledge you have picked up, and never hold you responsible as an "expert", just as someone who helps.

 

Re: shamanjames

Posted by stjames on September 19, 2000, at 14:49:13

In reply to Re: shamanjames, posted by Phil on September 14, 2000, at 10:56:45

> Any recommendations for finding myself a spiritual spot there where I can eek out a living and stay semi-sane?
> Any input greatly appreciated.
> Phil


James here....

The four corners area is cool. The problem with New Mexico is that the people from Calf. think it is "fab" here so housing prices in Santa Fe and Taos are unreal. Higher than Austin ! Living rural is cool, but eeking out a living is probablmatic. I am waiting for satalite internet to get a little more reasonable, then it will not matter where I live.

James

 

Re: mountain man james, and paul, too

Posted by noa on September 24, 2000, at 14:44:35

In reply to Re: shamanjames, posted by stjames on September 19, 2000, at 14:49:13

I heard an olympics-related report on NPR that made me think of you guys. Apparently, training in high-altitude places is really hot with runners because it improves performance.

 

Re: mountain man james

Posted by Phil on September 24, 2000, at 16:04:29

In reply to Re: mountain man james, and paul, too, posted by noa on September 24, 2000, at 14:44:35

James, Couldn't get your Real Audio to work on my computer. Says it's not a Real Audio file.
Let me know if you get it working or if the problem is my computer or it's operator!

Phil

 

Re: mountain man james, and paul, and Seamus too

Posted by Seamus2 on September 24, 2000, at 19:54:00

In reply to Re: mountain man james, and paul, too, posted by noa on September 24, 2000, at 14:44:35

> I heard an olympics-related report on NPR that made me think of you guys. Apparently, training in high-altitude places is really hot with runners because it improves performance.


I knew that in fourth grade! We'd go to our cabin at 6,000 feet every summer and on returning I'd wipe the pants of the eighth graders at long slow distance (LSD < g >). Come to think of it, that's when I really started to stick out like a sore thumb. High IQ -- AND could best his classmates in PE.

Seamus


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