Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 17556

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Re: formatting

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 9, 2000, at 2:45:11

In reply to Re: formatting-thanks, posted by Philip Marx on January 7, 2000, at 2:59:25

> The system also loses all indent spaces and leading spaces and tabs, I don't know if it's at the Windows clipboard paste/dump or not.

No, it's when the browser displays the page. In HTML, spaces are kind of ignored.

> > The threads are in fact in chronological order -- based on when they were started.

> Re: Reboxetine (Edronax) Bruce 1/3/00
> Reboxetine side effects Frymet 1/3/00
> Re: Reboxetine side effects Peter 1/4/00
> Re: Reboxetine side effects torchgrl 1/5/00
> Re: Question -- Re: Nicotine gum Richard 1/2/00
>
> Note that some 1/5/00 are before 1/2/00.

Yes, but the thread with the 1/5 post was started in 7/98, while that with the 1/2 post wasn't started until 11/98. The 7/98 thread comes before the 11/98 thread.

Bob

 

Re: KISS

Posted by JohnB on January 9, 2000, at 5:02:32

In reply to Re: formatting, posted by Dr. Bob on January 9, 2000, at 2:45:11

PM, I enjoy your posts. Who would have thought we'd have a James Joycian poster on the babble. I love all the puns and stream of conscioussness. Like the Yahoo guy yahoo(ed), do we even have the time to read your posts? And like the man said, we don't have to read'em, do we?

I'm curious as to what your major is at school?

 

Re: thread sorting

Posted by Philip Marx on January 10, 2000, at 3:30:17

In reply to Re: formatting, posted by Dr. Bob on January 9, 2000, at 2:45:11

> > The system also loses all indent spaces and leading spaces and tabs, I don't know if it's at the Windows clipboard paste/dump or not.
>
> No, it's when the browser displays the page. In HTML, spaces are kind of ignored.
>
> > > The threads are in fact in chronological order -- based on when they were started.
>
> > Re: Reboxetine (Edronax) Bruce 1/3/00
> > Reboxetine side effects Frymet 1/3/00
> > Re: Reboxetine side effects Peter 1/4/00
> > Re: Reboxetine side effects torchgrl 1/5/00
> > Re: Question -- Re: Nicotine gum Richard 1/2/00
> >
> > Note that some 1/5/00 are before 1/2/00.
>
> Yes, but the thread with the 1/5 post was started in 7/98, while that with the 1/2 post wasn't started until 11/98. The 7/98 thread comes before the 11/98 thread.
>
> Bob

Re: Thread chronology

Shades of FORTH, there it is. Quite a difference from the stocks board threads I’m more used to. I see better how I got lost.

How do I get my email notification turned back on – I checked the box every time?

Sounds like my confusion was contagious, sorry all, it was clear to me at first, but erroneously. Some confusion just means I have yet to make my point – so invest more explanation. Second type confusion just means that they are starting to get it – so invest more explanation. Third type confusion means I had better start over – so invest more explanation. Alternate recourses are now being researched.

Now back to the subject of what I’m still here for. The babble search is now limited to search by incremental archive. I may have found a way to get around that while complaining with my web accelerator provider about how he was abusing his speed gains too much. I am now starting up several times faster without them & without a home page by putting a shortcut to my favorites and history in my startup folder. Now I just shove and group ALL the links I want to look at right now and right-click group-lasso and open all windows at once. No longer does it take longer to change pages than it does to read them. No more 30 seconds or more each through a home page, more like 2.5 seconds each. More of the same trick might work for a symptom-medication search match-up in a folder full of babble-archive links. Darn, didn’t work. Gotta find that software that downloads the whole site HTML again. Patience is a virtue. So is knowing when to give up and move on. Merging both is better than each alone, working both at the same time is burning candles from both ends, gives more light too. Diagnosis is getting instrumental. I was going to cross-index all refractory atypicals with various degrees of treatment or diagnosis resistance, and their symptoms with their medications for a hope% chart CAM style in Excel. I think I’ve seen significant diagnosis detour symptoms ignored and too much hopeful-hypothesis following for things for which no typical classification is yet classical. Biggest complaints might be related. Nausea is common, and treated like common, which may be a key problem. Do the diets change, the metabolics change, or is the disorder creating cravings for nutrients that are difficult to scavenge from anything less than a horrendous amount of American over-purified food, or is it something else causing all the reported weight gain over time, such as the reduced mobility, et.al. I bet the FDA would like it’s subjectivity protected with a lot of instrumental objectivity. So would the medication makers (drug companies). Waiting for several weeks to believe whether a test patient maintains a moving target impression of how sick the medication makes them has gotta go. Coma patients can’t talk. Let’s fix that.

http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/manual/ireas.html
http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/dsma/dsmaclas.html
http://www.med.ualberta.ca/ebm/ebm.htm

These often require venipuncture and licensing, but EGG doesn’t. http://www.noblood.com/
Automatic Blood Analyzer—This small device developed by NASA allows doctors to quickly perform 80 to 100 different chemical blood tests from a single drop of blood in 5 minutes.
Exercise Equipment—NASA electrode technology, developed to monitor the heart rate of astronauts in space, has led to exercise equipment, also used in gyms and rehabilitation centers, that continually monitors the user's heart rate and sets the machine's pace according to physician or trainer instructions.

http://www.accessamerica.gov/text/spaceheart.html
http://www.spie.org/web/abstracts/2900/2976.html

When they go into space many of them get a little bit of space motion sickness, but that lasts for only a day or so and we have good treatments for it now. Besides that they really don't get to sick.

http://imsdd.meb.uni-bonn.de/cancernet/304466.html
http://www.centralpharmacy.nf.ca/trans.htm
http://www.quest.arc.nasa.gov/space/chats/archive/martin_chat.html

I wonder if they have a way of measuring nausea? Nausea during coma would be nice to detect metrically.
An EGG, like an EEG, an abdominal EMG (Holter) would speed a lot of medication caution.

http://www.ozemail.com.au/~lisadev/sftdoc.htm

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/nauseaandvomiting.html

http://www.ccspublishing.com/journals/mddx/nausea_and_vomiting/1_nausea_and_vomiting.htm

http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/texts/guide/hmg22_0002.html
http://www.dotpharmacy.co.uk/upuke.html
http://www.healthy.net/library/books/hoffman/childrens/NAUSEA.HTM
http://www.wellsoft.com/


Real top down planetary health: http://www.med.virginia.edu/medicine/inter-dis/csmhi/home.html
http://marc.med.virginia.edu/top1.html
http://www.nvl.virginia.edu/
http://www.med.virginia.edu/medicine/inter-dis/biomath/
http://www.virginia.edu/~sbne/
http://www.cidtech-research.com/
http://www.cidtech-research.com/melrad.html
http://www.med.virginia.edu/medicine/inter-dis/signaling/cellessay.html


Gotta get up tomorrow early to register.

pm


 

Re: KISS

Posted by Phillip Marx on January 10, 2000, at 3:40:34

In reply to Re: KISS, posted by JohnB on January 9, 2000, at 5:02:32

> PM, I enjoy your posts. Who would have thought we'd have a James Joycian poster on the babble. I love all the puns and stream of conscioussness. Like the Yahoo guy yahoo(ed), do we even have the time to read your posts? And like the man said, we don't have to read'em, do we?
>
> I'm curious as to what your major is at school?

Major#444 GI=General Interest (snicker=self paced progress and digress)

James Joyce wasn't my call, but they beg for more. The innuendo volleyball relieves tensions, keeping all the "asides" inside is just shortmouth, verbal shorthand. Many have influenced me, but keeping it under 25 pages without disconnecting everything into isolated paragraphs is a joy I'm learning to love.

pm

 

Re: KISS

Posted by sandi on January 10, 2000, at 18:59:25

In reply to Re: KISS, posted by Phillip Marx on January 10, 2000, at 3:40:34

> > PM, I enjoy your posts. Who would have thought we'd have a James Joycian poster on the babble. I love all the puns and stream of conscioussness. Like the Yahoo guy yahoo(ed), do we even have the time to read your posts? And like the man said, we don't have to read'em, do we?
> >
> > I'm curious as to what your major is at school?
>
> Major#444 GI=General Interest (snicker=self paced progress and digress)
>
> James Joyce wasn't my call, but they beg for more. The innuendo volleyball relieves tensions, keeping all the "asides" inside is just shortmouth, verbal shorthand. Many have influenced me, but keeping it under 25 pages without disconnecting everything into isolated paragraphs is a joy I'm learning to love.
>
> pm

pm,I do enjoy your contributions, however, each time I read one, I come closer and closer to a psychotic break.

 

Re: KISS

Posted by Mrs. G on January 10, 2000, at 20:40:03

In reply to Re: KISS, posted by sandi on January 10, 2000, at 18:59:25

I am fascinated by your posts. Inside that brain somewhere there dwells a genius. Amazing. Good luck to you. What is your occupation (or profession?)

 

Re: Assessing Dr. Jensen's methods

Posted by Mrs. G on January 10, 2000, at 20:47:16

In reply to Re: Assessing Dr. Jensen's methods, posted by Phillip Marx on December 27, 1999, at 8:53:53

>Phillip said: I haven't given much attention to disorders not mine, but they are in there. Phillip Marx
> PhilMarx@net999.com

Mrs. G asks: What exactly is your disorder? If you have shared that, I could not find it. Please, tell....

 

Phillip Marx...do the right thing, get some help..

Posted by Mr. B on January 10, 2000, at 21:09:24

In reply to Re: Assessing Dr. Jensen's methods, posted by Mrs. G on January 10, 2000, at 20:47:16

Alot of vunerable people may mistake you for a cult leader.

Just because someone doesn't make sense, doesn't mean they are a genius.

 

Re: email notification

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 10, 2000, at 21:17:25

In reply to Re: thread sorting, posted by Philip Marx on January 10, 2000, at 3:30:17

> How do I get my email notification turned back on – I checked the box every time?

I was getting errors from your email address, so I turned it off (see the FAQ). Are you sure you can receive email?

Bob

 

Re: Phillip Marx...do the right thing, get some help..

Posted by dj on January 10, 2000, at 22:28:07

In reply to Phillip Marx...do the right thing, get some help.., posted by Mr. B on January 10, 2000, at 21:09:24

There's a big gap between genius and babbbling, manic idiocy and unfortunately PM seems to be more in the latter camp. But then again the politically correct often mix up the two and our society with it.

> Alot of vunerable people may mistake you for a cult leader.
>
> Just because someone doesn't make sense, doesn't mean they are a genius.

 

everyone, do the right thing and move on...

Posted by juniper on January 10, 2000, at 23:23:15

In reply to Re: Phillip Marx...do the right thing, get some help.., posted by dj on January 10, 2000, at 22:28:07

so we KISSed and made up and all was once again order (sorta) and mutual education and support (the real objective) in babbleland...then this comes again...dj, i do not think that anyone has any doubt as to your feelings for phillip, but the act of saying the same things over and over is becoming eeriely reminiscent of what you are fruitlessly trying to get phillip to cease.
we are battling disorders, not each other.

juniper

 

Re: everyone, do the right thing and move on...

Posted by dj on January 11, 2000, at 0:02:43

In reply to everyone, do the right thing and move on..., posted by juniper on January 10, 2000, at 23:23:15

Juniper,

Don't mistake my condemnation of PM's babbling as a condemnation of him. If some folks think he's a genius that just proves my earlier point about PT Barnum. And if he mistakenly thinks he's a genius because some choose to applaud him, then so be it, but they are doing him a disservice because it only encourages further manic behaviour, instead of treatment. Been there. Bought the book and paid for it, many times.

Frankly I believe it is MORE supportive to challenge someone to take a hard look at what they are doing and writing at times, as has been done to me by your posting. And I do. However my exasperation is as genuine as yours. Sorry if my tone is a bit testy but I call them as I see them. And as the grandson of farmers I have a pretty good nose for BS, which was also sharpened by some pretty damm good education in communications, amongst other things.

Cheerio!

DJ

 

Re: everyone, do the right thing and move on...

Posted by jamie on January 11, 2000, at 2:26:04

In reply to Re: everyone, do the right thing and move on..., posted by dj on January 11, 2000, at 0:02:43

You write so clearly dj. I wish I could do that. I understand everyone's position in this thread, but I'm not going to take sides. Your talent with words does deserve mention though.

I cannot understand Phillip's writing at all. Either his IQ or his insanity is way higher than mine. Not sure which. In any case, I just skip his posts now. I asked him once about Dr. Jensen's methods and in a thousand words he told me hardly anything related. He seems more inclined to ramble off-subject than share useful tips.

jamie

 

Re: warning to dj

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 11, 2000, at 3:43:50

In reply to Re: Phillip Marx...do the right thing, get some help.., posted by dj on January 10, 2000, at 22:28:07

> There's a big gap between genius and babbbling, manic idiocy and unfortunately PM seems to be more in the latter camp...

Now I'm afraid I have to warn you, I don't consider it civil to imply that someone is an idiot. Don't do anything like that again, or I will have to try to block you from posting.

Bob

 

Re:to Dr. Bob regarding warning to dj

Posted by CarolAnn on January 11, 2000, at 7:03:03

In reply to Re: warning to dj, posted by Dr. Bob on January 11, 2000, at 3:43:50

Note to Dr. Bob below quoted posts:
> > "There's a big gap between genius and babbbling, manic idiocy and unfortunately PM seems to be more in the latter camp..." dj >
>
> "Now I'm afraid I have to warn you, I don't consider it civil to imply that someone is an idiot. Don't do anything like that again, or I will have to try to block you from posting."
>
> Bob

Dr. Bob,
First, if you knew how terrified I have always been of confronting authority figures(which, in my book you are), you would know how hard this is for me.
Second, I don't really think that dj is talking about Phillip Marx as a person in the above quotes. I think he is refering to the writings, which, given the fact that most psycho-babblers admittedly do not understand what PM is talking about, could legitimately be described as manic idiocy, for which, he could indeed need serious psychological help, which is all dj really seems to be saying. (sorry about run-on sentence)
That said, in a previous post, I stated that I was simply not going to "go there", as far as PM is concerned, but I've found that whether or not his writings are genius or manic idiocy, they are compelling, to say the least.
Please don't ban me from posting for giving a contrary opinion.CarolAnn

 

Re: warning to dj

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 11, 2000, at 9:16:04

In reply to Re:to Dr. Bob regarding warning to dj, posted by CarolAnn on January 11, 2000, at 7:03:03

> First, if you knew how terrified I have always been of confronting authority figures(which, in my book you are), you would know how hard this is for me.

If you're doing it, does that mean it's getting easier? :-)

> Please don't ban me from posting for giving a contrary opinion.

Contrary opinions aren't the issue, it's how they're presented.

Bob

 

Re: warning to dj

Posted by Elizabeth on January 11, 2000, at 11:18:57

In reply to Re: warning to dj, posted by Dr. Bob on January 11, 2000, at 9:16:04

> Contrary opinions aren't the issue, it's how they're presented.

Dr. Bob, am I correct in guessing that it wasn't the "manic" part that you had a problem with, but the "idiocy" part? :-)

BTW, kudos to CarolAnn for engaging in some in vivo exposure therapy!

 

Re:to Dr. Bob regarding warning to dj

Posted by dj on January 11, 2000, at 13:40:28

In reply to Re:to Dr. Bob regarding warning to dj, posted by CarolAnn on January 11, 2000, at 7:03:03

Citation noted. Having spent about 4 hours straight on-line last night did not help the lucidity of my thinking or communications. In my initial post, last night, and previous postings I have meant to focus my critique on PM's writing and not his character as I attempted to clarify in my second posting last night and other postings. Unfortunately as I didn't carefully reread my posting the critique came across more as a personal attack, which was not my intent, as Carol Ann rightfully perceived.

I do not think PM is an idiot and apologize if that's how some of my comments came off. I do think he is a man, who may have flashes of brilliance obscured by verbal babble which reflects what I assume to be a manic disorder or something along those lines and that if he was to receive proper treatment, instead of encouragement in his semi-lucid rambles, he would hopefully be better able to heighten and sharpen his thinking and expression and hence be more effective as an individual.

My critique also comes from a deeper philosphical concern about what passes for intelligence in our society which has been well documented by Neil Postman(Amusing Ourselves to Death), Jerry Mander (Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television), Warren Bennis & Ian Mitroff (The Unreality Industry : The Deliberate Manufacturing of Falsehood and What It Is Doing to Our Lives).

I have been taught be individuals who were truly brilliant and able to express themselves, simply, clearly, and coherently and they were truly an inspiration (which I think PM might be more so if he could pull it all together) and the issues id-ed in some of the above book were some of the ones we focused on. Part of my training and work experience is in public relations and political studies and part of my concern stems from what I see as the dumb-sizing or our economy and communities that results from the distortions these industries and others (the media) create in our intellectual discourse.

I could go on but I have said more than enough. I will sleep on my views the next time if I think my tone may be off and you can judge me by one of the comments in JFK's inaugaral address where he noted that: "Civility is not a sign of weakness and sincerity is subject to the burden of proof."

 

Re: everyone, do the right thing and move on...

Posted by dj on January 11, 2000, at 13:45:12

In reply to Re: everyone, do the right thing and move on..., posted by jamie on January 11, 2000, at 2:26:04

Thanks Jamie! I have lots of training in writing and communications in general and still slip at times. It doesn't come naturally to me, I have to work at it, which is all i am suggesting that PM might consider doing. Generally you and most folks here write very well, except when pharmo-babble is the focus.


> You write so clearly dj. I wish I could do that. I understand everyone's position in this thread, but I'm not going to take sides. Your talent with words does deserve mention though.
>

 

to dj the lucid

Posted by juniper on January 11, 2000, at 17:14:22

In reply to Re: everyone, do the right thing and move on..., posted by dj on January 11, 2000, at 0:02:43

dj,
you are a very lucid and thoughtful writer, it shows when you have placed effort and thought into a babble. i look forward to seeing more of these, and i am sure less of sleepless, internet-drunk contrary thoughts on an individual. (and i certainly do not mean sleepless and internet-drunk as derogatory, as it is my state much of the time :)
cheerio to you!
juniper

 

Re: KISS

Posted by sandi on January 11, 2000, at 19:35:11

In reply to Re: KISS, posted by Mrs. G on January 10, 2000, at 20:40:03

> I am fascinated by your posts. Inside that brain somewhere there dwells a genius. Amazing. Good luck to you. What is your occupation (or profession?)

-I assume your reply is directed at PM?--sandi

 

Re: warning to dj

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 11, 2000, at 23:18:56

In reply to Re:to Dr. Bob regarding warning to dj, posted by dj on January 11, 2000, at 13:40:28

> Citation noted. Having spent about 4 hours straight on-line last night did not help the lucidity of my thinking or communications. In my initial post, last night, and previous postings I have meant to focus my critique on PM's writing and not his character as I attempted to clarify in my second posting last night and other postings. Unfortunately as I didn't carefully reread my posting the critique came across more as a personal attack, which was not my intent, as Carol Ann rightfully perceived.

Thanks for being understanding about this. Please do try to sleep on it next time. Maybe it would be better not to spend so much time online at once?

Bob

 

Re: sandi

Posted by Phillip Marx on January 11, 2000, at 23:53:16

In reply to Re: KISS, posted by sandi on January 10, 2000, at 18:59:25

> > > PM, I enjoy your posts. Who would have thought we'd have a James Joycian poster on the babble. I love all the puns and stream of conscioussness. Like the Yahoo guy yahoo(ed), do we even have the time to read your posts? And like the man said, we don't have to read'em, do we?
> > >
> > > I'm curious as to what your major is at school?
> >
> > Major#444 GI=General Interest (snicker=self paced progress and digress)
> >
> > James Joyce wasn't my call, but they beg for more. The innuendo volleyball relieves tensions, keeping all the "asides" inside is just shortmouth, verbal shorthand. Many have influenced me, but keeping it under 25 pages without disconnecting everything into isolated paragraphs is a joy I'm learning to love.
> >
> > pm
>
> pm,I do enjoy your contributions, however, each time I read one, I come closer and closer to a psychotic break.

I wish you just the enjoyment and none of the break. I was never allowed to drift from the scientific center with humor before. Not professional in the profession I was in. I don't do it so "gud" - Oh well.

pm

 

Re: Mrs. G

Posted by Phillip Marx on January 11, 2000, at 23:59:23

In reply to Re: KISS, posted by Mrs. G on January 10, 2000, at 20:40:03

> I am fascinated by your posts. Inside that brain somewhere there dwells a genius. Amazing. Good luck to you. What is your occupation (or profession?)

I wish I could find the genius dwelling somewhere in here.

No profession now. I has been a has-been.

I feel grateful for all the luck providence throws my way. Thanks for the good wishes.

pm

 

Re: My disorder

Posted by Phillip Marx on January 12, 2000, at 0:31:35

In reply to Re: Assessing Dr. Jensen's methods, posted by Mrs. G on January 10, 2000, at 20:47:16

> >Phillip said: I haven't given much attention to disorders not mine, but they are in there. Phillip Marx
> > PhilMarx@net999.com
>
> Mrs. G asks: What exactly is your disorder? If you have shared that, I could not find it. Please, tell....

Specifically: Insomnia (NOS) and atypical bipolar.

My disorder most annoying (to me, at least) on these threads has been speaking out of originating thread order on past threads. Points questioned were separated from points answered big time. Being too terse was no good, rebound embellishment was worse. Consolidating several answers in a single post generated a ton of wrath.

My self-assessments are in last month's archive as I bragged about how much better I had become. This "forum's" assessments differ substantially. I think 'awake' "is" MUCH better than sedated zombiness. The more awake after all that, the better to me.

Simply: I can't yet sleep without medication after several years. I am using a medication combination that has no hangover. I apparently write in ways that are especially annoying when the medication is in it's first and last half-hour. My self-confidence was destroyed by several years of hopeless helplessness that I am mow rebuilding with great caution and conservativism and many back-up plans. It would take too long and not be worth it to go back to what and where I was (ha, either place). There is a lot I can now do if I can just maintain. I wish myself a lot of luck and am sticking my foot in luck's door to prove it. I don't want that door slamming me in the face again.

pm


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