Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 17556

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Re: KISS and tell3

Posted by Noa on January 4, 2000, at 20:31:52

In reply to Re: KISS and tell3, posted by Phillip Marx on January 4, 2000, at 18:02:34

Still, Phillip, your writing is not focused. You have difficulty focusing directly on the topic and you throw in too much tangential thought. You are very good at rationalizing why you do this. Your rationalizations reflect the fact that you are intelligent, but I believe your rationalizations still do not explain away the impression many of us seem to be getting of you, that you are suffering from acute mania. I think consulting a psychiatrist is in your best interest.

 

Re: note to Noa

Posted by CarolAnn on January 5, 2000, at 8:16:57

In reply to Re: KISS and tell3, posted by Noa on January 4, 2000, at 20:31:52

Noa, I think we are barking up the wrong alley. We have both written posts with the intention of being "nice" to Mr. Marx, and he just keeps missing the point(I don't think he even read my post completely).
I know I probably shouldn't be writing a personal note here, but I don't know where else to express my feelings. And sometimes you just gotta express or you'll explode, you know?
Anyway, as far as Phillip Marx is concerned, my advice to myself is:
"CarolAnn, just don't go there". It'll save me alot of frustration, which I can definitely do without! Final words on the subject:

"Farewell and Godspeed, Mr. Phillip Marx".

 

Re: KISS and make up

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 7, 2000, at 0:24:24

In reply to Re: KISS, posted by dj on January 4, 2000, at 11:39:10

> Yes I was blunt and perhaps a bit rude and I was very tired and fed up with what I considered a lot of crap and still do. However on re-reading some of this stuff I think Jamies approach was perhaps a bit more compassionate, while questioning, which mine might have been if I was less tired and off, courtesy of ADs. So perhaps the next time I will sleep on it...
>
> Frankly I am irritated by this whole exchange, however I will not take PMs advice and go talk it up with a therapist. I can sort my self out. I must say that I find threads of lucidity and consistency in his comments, but they are well buried amongst a lot of babble, which I do feel some empathy for as well. People including myself have questioned whether it's mania, which it may be, and it may be schizophrenic ramblings too...who knows...hopefully he can work it out with someone who has more patience than I, at this time...

Thanks for being willing to reflect on your previous posts. I do appreciate everyone's efforts at keeping this a civil forum.

Bob

 

Re: formatting

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 7, 2000, at 0:48:18

In reply to Re: KISS and tell3, posted by Phillip Marx on January 4, 2000, at 18:02:34

> Looks lke an old mainframe editor problem eating up all my formatting characters. I'll track through the FAQs later. Manual space paragraphs for now.

Sorry, but there's no way to format very much here, at least right now. "Manual space" paragraphs is about it. And the less-than sign is a special case (see the FAQ).

> -Reading back, I see one of the problems. The threads aren’t in chronological order, except within sub-threads.

The threads are in fact in chronological order -- based on when they were started.

> -I could break all this up into indentured sub-paragraphs, but the site “left-justifies” everything. A bunch of smaller paragraphs just looks like so many endlessly rippling sand dunes. Maybe if I next time double return between major thought blocks, hmmm, I can avoid paragraph numbering maintenance obnoxious-ness. Dr. Bob?

Multi-level outline-type (sub-)paragraph headachiness?

Bob

 

Re: formatting-thanks

Posted by Philip Marx on January 7, 2000, at 2:59:25

In reply to Re: formatting, posted by Dr. Bob on January 7, 2000, at 0:48:18

Thanks, I kept losing formatting too late to fix it after the submit button re-parsed it. My stuff is big enough to need micro-formatting, and it looks terrible without it. Nothing is better than WP5.1, and Word won't let you change much mid-paragraph, too much of a core-engine copy of Ventura Publisher. I stopped trying to fix it the Tech way far too late for some of the impatient here. I admire what is going on here. I think I can make some positive pictorials during class breaks. I'll let you decide when/if they are public ready Dr. Bob.

Word tech support has always told me they were working on "this deficiency" compared to WordPerfect 5.1 DOS re: adding tags and references with autotracking, maybe '2000 has it or will. Until then, I'd rather go back to DOS than build a paper that doesn't keep track of itself. It's terrible. Yes, that less than sign gobbled up a lot of my stuff, it loses asterisks that precede a character without an intermediate space. The system also loses all indent spaces and leading spaces and tabs, I don't know if it's at the Windows clipboard paste/dump or not. It made my writing look far worse than my attitude is towards driving myself to a perfected death again. I'm doing this in the web text box without proofing in Word this time, so let's see.

1test
12test
123 test
Those test lines have as many spaces preceding them as there are numbers.

--The chronological separation I was talking about wasn't the one within each thread, those are fine, and I wouldn't have embarrassed myself so much if I had constrained myself to them with what I now see as proper protocol

But, the chrono-confusion potential is demonstrable since only the first entry in a thread maintains it's seniority, it's second entry can be posted far after an earlier (higher-up) sub-thread get it's first response. For example:
From the beginning of this month:


Re: Reboxetine (Edronax) Bruce 1/3/00
Reboxetine side effects Frymet 1/3/00
Re: Reboxetine side effects Peter 1/4/00
Re: Reboxetine side effects torchgrl 1/5/00
Re: Question -- Re: Nicotine gum Richard 1/2/00
Re: Losing weight after paxil Shannon 1/4/00
Re: Losing weight after paxil Mark Weeks 1/5/00
Re: Losing weight after paxil mrkwks@aol.com 1/5/00

Note that some 1/5/00 are before 1/2/00.

So, an answer posted on 1/5/00 wouldn't have a question to go with it show until someone read down that far. I've never been on a multi-thread board before. I should have known sooner.

I was mostly responsive to the yellow "spot"lights, I really like that feature. So, I think there were a couple of cases "higher up" that I used to combine with answers from lower down. Really un-un-un-insightful of me. Someone, reading from the top, didn't have a chance of knowing which question I was answering, since I didn't stay within originating threads. If I had started at the real beginning, I might have appreciated what this grows into. The points I "wasn't" sticking to might be in last months babble-cache on a thread the readers might never read.


> > Looks lke an old mainframe editor problem eating up all my formatting characters. I'll track through the FAQs later. Manual space paragraphs for now.
>
> Sorry, but there's no way to format very much here, at least right now. "Manual space" paragraphs is about it. And the less-than sign is a special case (see the FAQ).
>
> > -Reading back, I see one of the problems. The threads aren’t in chronological order, except within sub-threads.
>
> The threads are in fact in chronological order -- based on when they were started.
>
> > -I could break all this up into indentured sub-paragraphs, but the site “left-justifies” everything. A bunch of smaller paragraphs just looks like so many endlessly rippling sand dunes. Maybe if I next time double return between major thought blocks, hmmm, I can avoid paragraph numbering maintenance obnoxious-ness. Dr. Bob?
>
> Multi-level outline-type (sub-)paragraph headachiness?
>
> Bob

Tags and references in WP5.1 still rule as far as I am concerned, I've never had a proofreader find a figure number misquoted unless the figure count exceeded 32 in a subsection. I loved (and still do) how I could insert sectiona and subsections at will or whim and every reference to any paragraph number would update to point to the right place. I couldn't have done half as much without it with the time I had back then, but now, I'll just have to budget more time.

I again apologise for poor nettiquette. I don't like the taste of literal crow.

Thanks - Dr. Bob

 

Re: KISS and make up

Posted by Phillip Marx on January 7, 2000, at 3:35:52

In reply to Re: KISS and make up, posted by Dr. Bob on January 7, 2000, at 0:24:24

Imitation is a high form of flattery (with caveats).

All of us are here and there learning self-therapy selectively from our therapists, imitating them all over this board. The more we develop our self-therapy strength the stronger our control of ourselves. Next comes self-therapy reflex speed. Just like growth-spurting teenagers have trouble keeping their coordination matched to their size and strength changes, we can expect once quick-enough reflexes to lag or abuse newer strengths. Practice makes perfect, so here we train and retrain until we get it right at no expense to those less forgiving. As you may have noticed, I take no offense to my person, but I don't drop my facts fast on low-balance-weight evidence, either. I do say why-why-why in a whyning (why type whining) way. I have credibility earned elsewhere I guess it will be difficult to earn here.

I am way past the giving up stage and determined to continue the climb back up. Gently tenacious to that goal I will stay. No deadlines means not dead before the line again. Boy am I drifting, I'm going to be asleep again in a few minutes.

If you can see in what you wrote what your therapist would have seen, then you are indeed on the way up. Congratulations. Don't abandon yours, and I won't abandon mine until they set us free.

I refused to be harmed and therefore need no apology for harm not done by you. However, I may owe you some apology, consider it offered, not skillfully, but offered anyway.

pm

> > Yes I was blunt and perhaps a bit rude and I was very tired and fed up with what I considered a lot of crap and still do. However on re-reading some of this stuff I think Jamies approach was perhaps a bit more compassionate, while questioning, which mine might have been if I was less tired and off, courtesy of ADs. So perhaps the next time I will sleep on it...
> >
> > Frankly I am irritated by this whole exchange, however I will not take PMs advice and go talk it up with a therapist. I can sort my self out. I must say that I find threads of lucidity and consistency in his comments, but they are well buried amongst a lot of babble, which I do feel some empathy for as well. People including myself have questioned whether it's mania, which it may be, and it may be schizophrenic ramblings too...who knows...hopefully he can work it out with someone who has more patience than I, at this time...
>
> Thanks for being willing to reflect on your previous posts. I do appreciate everyone's efforts at keeping this a civil forum.
>
> Bob

 

Re: formatting

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 9, 2000, at 2:45:11

In reply to Re: formatting-thanks, posted by Philip Marx on January 7, 2000, at 2:59:25

> The system also loses all indent spaces and leading spaces and tabs, I don't know if it's at the Windows clipboard paste/dump or not.

No, it's when the browser displays the page. In HTML, spaces are kind of ignored.

> > The threads are in fact in chronological order -- based on when they were started.

> Re: Reboxetine (Edronax) Bruce 1/3/00
> Reboxetine side effects Frymet 1/3/00
> Re: Reboxetine side effects Peter 1/4/00
> Re: Reboxetine side effects torchgrl 1/5/00
> Re: Question -- Re: Nicotine gum Richard 1/2/00
>
> Note that some 1/5/00 are before 1/2/00.

Yes, but the thread with the 1/5 post was started in 7/98, while that with the 1/2 post wasn't started until 11/98. The 7/98 thread comes before the 11/98 thread.

Bob

 

Re: KISS

Posted by JohnB on January 9, 2000, at 5:02:32

In reply to Re: formatting, posted by Dr. Bob on January 9, 2000, at 2:45:11

PM, I enjoy your posts. Who would have thought we'd have a James Joycian poster on the babble. I love all the puns and stream of conscioussness. Like the Yahoo guy yahoo(ed), do we even have the time to read your posts? And like the man said, we don't have to read'em, do we?

I'm curious as to what your major is at school?

 

Re: thread sorting

Posted by Philip Marx on January 10, 2000, at 3:30:17

In reply to Re: formatting, posted by Dr. Bob on January 9, 2000, at 2:45:11

> > The system also loses all indent spaces and leading spaces and tabs, I don't know if it's at the Windows clipboard paste/dump or not.
>
> No, it's when the browser displays the page. In HTML, spaces are kind of ignored.
>
> > > The threads are in fact in chronological order -- based on when they were started.
>
> > Re: Reboxetine (Edronax) Bruce 1/3/00
> > Reboxetine side effects Frymet 1/3/00
> > Re: Reboxetine side effects Peter 1/4/00
> > Re: Reboxetine side effects torchgrl 1/5/00
> > Re: Question -- Re: Nicotine gum Richard 1/2/00
> >
> > Note that some 1/5/00 are before 1/2/00.
>
> Yes, but the thread with the 1/5 post was started in 7/98, while that with the 1/2 post wasn't started until 11/98. The 7/98 thread comes before the 11/98 thread.
>
> Bob

Re: Thread chronology

Shades of FORTH, there it is. Quite a difference from the stocks board threads I’m more used to. I see better how I got lost.

How do I get my email notification turned back on – I checked the box every time?

Sounds like my confusion was contagious, sorry all, it was clear to me at first, but erroneously. Some confusion just means I have yet to make my point – so invest more explanation. Second type confusion just means that they are starting to get it – so invest more explanation. Third type confusion means I had better start over – so invest more explanation. Alternate recourses are now being researched.

Now back to the subject of what I’m still here for. The babble search is now limited to search by incremental archive. I may have found a way to get around that while complaining with my web accelerator provider about how he was abusing his speed gains too much. I am now starting up several times faster without them & without a home page by putting a shortcut to my favorites and history in my startup folder. Now I just shove and group ALL the links I want to look at right now and right-click group-lasso and open all windows at once. No longer does it take longer to change pages than it does to read them. No more 30 seconds or more each through a home page, more like 2.5 seconds each. More of the same trick might work for a symptom-medication search match-up in a folder full of babble-archive links. Darn, didn’t work. Gotta find that software that downloads the whole site HTML again. Patience is a virtue. So is knowing when to give up and move on. Merging both is better than each alone, working both at the same time is burning candles from both ends, gives more light too. Diagnosis is getting instrumental. I was going to cross-index all refractory atypicals with various degrees of treatment or diagnosis resistance, and their symptoms with their medications for a hope% chart CAM style in Excel. I think I’ve seen significant diagnosis detour symptoms ignored and too much hopeful-hypothesis following for things for which no typical classification is yet classical. Biggest complaints might be related. Nausea is common, and treated like common, which may be a key problem. Do the diets change, the metabolics change, or is the disorder creating cravings for nutrients that are difficult to scavenge from anything less than a horrendous amount of American over-purified food, or is it something else causing all the reported weight gain over time, such as the reduced mobility, et.al. I bet the FDA would like it’s subjectivity protected with a lot of instrumental objectivity. So would the medication makers (drug companies). Waiting for several weeks to believe whether a test patient maintains a moving target impression of how sick the medication makes them has gotta go. Coma patients can’t talk. Let’s fix that.

http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/manual/ireas.html
http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/dsma/dsmaclas.html
http://www.med.ualberta.ca/ebm/ebm.htm

These often require venipuncture and licensing, but EGG doesn’t. http://www.noblood.com/
Automatic Blood Analyzer—This small device developed by NASA allows doctors to quickly perform 80 to 100 different chemical blood tests from a single drop of blood in 5 minutes.
Exercise Equipment—NASA electrode technology, developed to monitor the heart rate of astronauts in space, has led to exercise equipment, also used in gyms and rehabilitation centers, that continually monitors the user's heart rate and sets the machine's pace according to physician or trainer instructions.

http://www.accessamerica.gov/text/spaceheart.html
http://www.spie.org/web/abstracts/2900/2976.html

When they go into space many of them get a little bit of space motion sickness, but that lasts for only a day or so and we have good treatments for it now. Besides that they really don't get to sick.

http://imsdd.meb.uni-bonn.de/cancernet/304466.html
http://www.centralpharmacy.nf.ca/trans.htm
http://www.quest.arc.nasa.gov/space/chats/archive/martin_chat.html

I wonder if they have a way of measuring nausea? Nausea during coma would be nice to detect metrically.
An EGG, like an EEG, an abdominal EMG (Holter) would speed a lot of medication caution.

http://www.ozemail.com.au/~lisadev/sftdoc.htm

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/nauseaandvomiting.html

http://www.ccspublishing.com/journals/mddx/nausea_and_vomiting/1_nausea_and_vomiting.htm

http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/texts/guide/hmg22_0002.html
http://www.dotpharmacy.co.uk/upuke.html
http://www.healthy.net/library/books/hoffman/childrens/NAUSEA.HTM
http://www.wellsoft.com/


Real top down planetary health: http://www.med.virginia.edu/medicine/inter-dis/csmhi/home.html
http://marc.med.virginia.edu/top1.html
http://www.nvl.virginia.edu/
http://www.med.virginia.edu/medicine/inter-dis/biomath/
http://www.virginia.edu/~sbne/
http://www.cidtech-research.com/
http://www.cidtech-research.com/melrad.html
http://www.med.virginia.edu/medicine/inter-dis/signaling/cellessay.html


Gotta get up tomorrow early to register.

pm


 

Re: KISS

Posted by Phillip Marx on January 10, 2000, at 3:40:34

In reply to Re: KISS, posted by JohnB on January 9, 2000, at 5:02:32

> PM, I enjoy your posts. Who would have thought we'd have a James Joycian poster on the babble. I love all the puns and stream of conscioussness. Like the Yahoo guy yahoo(ed), do we even have the time to read your posts? And like the man said, we don't have to read'em, do we?
>
> I'm curious as to what your major is at school?

Major#444 GI=General Interest (snicker=self paced progress and digress)

James Joyce wasn't my call, but they beg for more. The innuendo volleyball relieves tensions, keeping all the "asides" inside is just shortmouth, verbal shorthand. Many have influenced me, but keeping it under 25 pages without disconnecting everything into isolated paragraphs is a joy I'm learning to love.

pm

 

Re: KISS

Posted by sandi on January 10, 2000, at 18:59:25

In reply to Re: KISS, posted by Phillip Marx on January 10, 2000, at 3:40:34

> > PM, I enjoy your posts. Who would have thought we'd have a James Joycian poster on the babble. I love all the puns and stream of conscioussness. Like the Yahoo guy yahoo(ed), do we even have the time to read your posts? And like the man said, we don't have to read'em, do we?
> >
> > I'm curious as to what your major is at school?
>
> Major#444 GI=General Interest (snicker=self paced progress and digress)
>
> James Joyce wasn't my call, but they beg for more. The innuendo volleyball relieves tensions, keeping all the "asides" inside is just shortmouth, verbal shorthand. Many have influenced me, but keeping it under 25 pages without disconnecting everything into isolated paragraphs is a joy I'm learning to love.
>
> pm

pm,I do enjoy your contributions, however, each time I read one, I come closer and closer to a psychotic break.

 

Re: KISS

Posted by Mrs. G on January 10, 2000, at 20:40:03

In reply to Re: KISS, posted by sandi on January 10, 2000, at 18:59:25

I am fascinated by your posts. Inside that brain somewhere there dwells a genius. Amazing. Good luck to you. What is your occupation (or profession?)

 

Re: Assessing Dr. Jensen's methods

Posted by Mrs. G on January 10, 2000, at 20:47:16

In reply to Re: Assessing Dr. Jensen's methods, posted by Phillip Marx on December 27, 1999, at 8:53:53

>Phillip said: I haven't given much attention to disorders not mine, but they are in there. Phillip Marx
> PhilMarx@net999.com

Mrs. G asks: What exactly is your disorder? If you have shared that, I could not find it. Please, tell....

 

Phillip Marx...do the right thing, get some help..

Posted by Mr. B on January 10, 2000, at 21:09:24

In reply to Re: Assessing Dr. Jensen's methods, posted by Mrs. G on January 10, 2000, at 20:47:16

Alot of vunerable people may mistake you for a cult leader.

Just because someone doesn't make sense, doesn't mean they are a genius.

 

Re: email notification

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 10, 2000, at 21:17:25

In reply to Re: thread sorting, posted by Philip Marx on January 10, 2000, at 3:30:17

> How do I get my email notification turned back on – I checked the box every time?

I was getting errors from your email address, so I turned it off (see the FAQ). Are you sure you can receive email?

Bob

 

Re: Phillip Marx...do the right thing, get some help..

Posted by dj on January 10, 2000, at 22:28:07

In reply to Phillip Marx...do the right thing, get some help.., posted by Mr. B on January 10, 2000, at 21:09:24

There's a big gap between genius and babbbling, manic idiocy and unfortunately PM seems to be more in the latter camp. But then again the politically correct often mix up the two and our society with it.

> Alot of vunerable people may mistake you for a cult leader.
>
> Just because someone doesn't make sense, doesn't mean they are a genius.

 

everyone, do the right thing and move on...

Posted by juniper on January 10, 2000, at 23:23:15

In reply to Re: Phillip Marx...do the right thing, get some help.., posted by dj on January 10, 2000, at 22:28:07

so we KISSed and made up and all was once again order (sorta) and mutual education and support (the real objective) in babbleland...then this comes again...dj, i do not think that anyone has any doubt as to your feelings for phillip, but the act of saying the same things over and over is becoming eeriely reminiscent of what you are fruitlessly trying to get phillip to cease.
we are battling disorders, not each other.

juniper

 

Re: everyone, do the right thing and move on...

Posted by dj on January 11, 2000, at 0:02:43

In reply to everyone, do the right thing and move on..., posted by juniper on January 10, 2000, at 23:23:15

Juniper,

Don't mistake my condemnation of PM's babbling as a condemnation of him. If some folks think he's a genius that just proves my earlier point about PT Barnum. And if he mistakenly thinks he's a genius because some choose to applaud him, then so be it, but they are doing him a disservice because it only encourages further manic behaviour, instead of treatment. Been there. Bought the book and paid for it, many times.

Frankly I believe it is MORE supportive to challenge someone to take a hard look at what they are doing and writing at times, as has been done to me by your posting. And I do. However my exasperation is as genuine as yours. Sorry if my tone is a bit testy but I call them as I see them. And as the grandson of farmers I have a pretty good nose for BS, which was also sharpened by some pretty damm good education in communications, amongst other things.

Cheerio!

DJ

 

Re: everyone, do the right thing and move on...

Posted by jamie on January 11, 2000, at 2:26:04

In reply to Re: everyone, do the right thing and move on..., posted by dj on January 11, 2000, at 0:02:43

You write so clearly dj. I wish I could do that. I understand everyone's position in this thread, but I'm not going to take sides. Your talent with words does deserve mention though.

I cannot understand Phillip's writing at all. Either his IQ or his insanity is way higher than mine. Not sure which. In any case, I just skip his posts now. I asked him once about Dr. Jensen's methods and in a thousand words he told me hardly anything related. He seems more inclined to ramble off-subject than share useful tips.

jamie

 

Re: warning to dj

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 11, 2000, at 3:43:50

In reply to Re: Phillip Marx...do the right thing, get some help.., posted by dj on January 10, 2000, at 22:28:07

> There's a big gap between genius and babbbling, manic idiocy and unfortunately PM seems to be more in the latter camp...

Now I'm afraid I have to warn you, I don't consider it civil to imply that someone is an idiot. Don't do anything like that again, or I will have to try to block you from posting.

Bob

 

Re:to Dr. Bob regarding warning to dj

Posted by CarolAnn on January 11, 2000, at 7:03:03

In reply to Re: warning to dj, posted by Dr. Bob on January 11, 2000, at 3:43:50

Note to Dr. Bob below quoted posts:
> > "There's a big gap between genius and babbbling, manic idiocy and unfortunately PM seems to be more in the latter camp..." dj >
>
> "Now I'm afraid I have to warn you, I don't consider it civil to imply that someone is an idiot. Don't do anything like that again, or I will have to try to block you from posting."
>
> Bob

Dr. Bob,
First, if you knew how terrified I have always been of confronting authority figures(which, in my book you are), you would know how hard this is for me.
Second, I don't really think that dj is talking about Phillip Marx as a person in the above quotes. I think he is refering to the writings, which, given the fact that most psycho-babblers admittedly do not understand what PM is talking about, could legitimately be described as manic idiocy, for which, he could indeed need serious psychological help, which is all dj really seems to be saying. (sorry about run-on sentence)
That said, in a previous post, I stated that I was simply not going to "go there", as far as PM is concerned, but I've found that whether or not his writings are genius or manic idiocy, they are compelling, to say the least.
Please don't ban me from posting for giving a contrary opinion.CarolAnn

 

Re: warning to dj

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 11, 2000, at 9:16:04

In reply to Re:to Dr. Bob regarding warning to dj, posted by CarolAnn on January 11, 2000, at 7:03:03

> First, if you knew how terrified I have always been of confronting authority figures(which, in my book you are), you would know how hard this is for me.

If you're doing it, does that mean it's getting easier? :-)

> Please don't ban me from posting for giving a contrary opinion.

Contrary opinions aren't the issue, it's how they're presented.

Bob

 

Re: warning to dj

Posted by Elizabeth on January 11, 2000, at 11:18:57

In reply to Re: warning to dj, posted by Dr. Bob on January 11, 2000, at 9:16:04

> Contrary opinions aren't the issue, it's how they're presented.

Dr. Bob, am I correct in guessing that it wasn't the "manic" part that you had a problem with, but the "idiocy" part? :-)

BTW, kudos to CarolAnn for engaging in some in vivo exposure therapy!

 

Re:to Dr. Bob regarding warning to dj

Posted by dj on January 11, 2000, at 13:40:28

In reply to Re:to Dr. Bob regarding warning to dj, posted by CarolAnn on January 11, 2000, at 7:03:03

Citation noted. Having spent about 4 hours straight on-line last night did not help the lucidity of my thinking or communications. In my initial post, last night, and previous postings I have meant to focus my critique on PM's writing and not his character as I attempted to clarify in my second posting last night and other postings. Unfortunately as I didn't carefully reread my posting the critique came across more as a personal attack, which was not my intent, as Carol Ann rightfully perceived.

I do not think PM is an idiot and apologize if that's how some of my comments came off. I do think he is a man, who may have flashes of brilliance obscured by verbal babble which reflects what I assume to be a manic disorder or something along those lines and that if he was to receive proper treatment, instead of encouragement in his semi-lucid rambles, he would hopefully be better able to heighten and sharpen his thinking and expression and hence be more effective as an individual.

My critique also comes from a deeper philosphical concern about what passes for intelligence in our society which has been well documented by Neil Postman(Amusing Ourselves to Death), Jerry Mander (Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television), Warren Bennis & Ian Mitroff (The Unreality Industry : The Deliberate Manufacturing of Falsehood and What It Is Doing to Our Lives).

I have been taught be individuals who were truly brilliant and able to express themselves, simply, clearly, and coherently and they were truly an inspiration (which I think PM might be more so if he could pull it all together) and the issues id-ed in some of the above book were some of the ones we focused on. Part of my training and work experience is in public relations and political studies and part of my concern stems from what I see as the dumb-sizing or our economy and communities that results from the distortions these industries and others (the media) create in our intellectual discourse.

I could go on but I have said more than enough. I will sleep on my views the next time if I think my tone may be off and you can judge me by one of the comments in JFK's inaugaral address where he noted that: "Civility is not a sign of weakness and sincerity is subject to the burden of proof."

 

Re: everyone, do the right thing and move on...

Posted by dj on January 11, 2000, at 13:45:12

In reply to Re: everyone, do the right thing and move on..., posted by jamie on January 11, 2000, at 2:26:04

Thanks Jamie! I have lots of training in writing and communications in general and still slip at times. It doesn't come naturally to me, I have to work at it, which is all i am suggesting that PM might consider doing. Generally you and most folks here write very well, except when pharmo-babble is the focus.


> You write so clearly dj. I wish I could do that. I understand everyone's position in this thread, but I'm not going to take sides. Your talent with words does deserve mention though.
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