Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 16003

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Purchasing drugs overseas?

Posted by Diane on November 30, 1999, at 15:20:17

Has anyone had ANY bad experiences with purchasing drugs overseas?

Thanks
Diane

 

Re: Purchasing drugs overseas?

Posted by Nope on November 30, 1999, at 16:54:39

In reply to Purchasing drugs overseas? , posted by Diane on November 30, 1999, at 15:20:17

> Has anyone had ANY bad experiences with purchasing drugs overseas?
>
> Thanks
> Diane

Three purchases so far. No problems. The only bad thing so far is waiting a month for delivery.

 

Re: Purchasing drugs overseas?

Posted by saint james on November 30, 1999, at 20:47:06

In reply to Purchasing drugs overseas? , posted by Diane on November 30, 1999, at 15:20:17

> Has anyone had ANY bad experiences with purchasing drugs overseas?
>
> Thanks
> Diane

James here....

Do not ever have scheduled or controled meds mailed because if you get caught you will go to jail. Keep in mind that getting any meds w/o out a doc's script is illegal and having them mailed is another no no. Packages from overseas are checked. Would your doc give you scripts for what you are getting mailed ? This would make things more legal, though it is still a grey area. Since I live close to Mexico I have gone there to get meds, most Rx's don't ask to see scripts, but unless you are comfortable with smuggling meds across the border scripts will make this legal, at present.

james

 

Re: Purchasing drugs overseas?

Posted by Nervous on December 6, 1999, at 18:22:44

In reply to Re: Purchasing drugs overseas? , posted by Nope on November 30, 1999, at 16:54:39

> > Has anyone had ANY bad experiences with purchasing drugs overseas?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Diane
>
> Three purchases so far. No problems. The only bad thing so far is waiting a month for delivery.

Yo, Nope! How do you do that? Where do you make your purchases? I know what works for me, and I would dearly love to avoid my shrink's idiotic questions/sales pitch for psychotherapy at the rate of $120 (uninsured) per hour only for the purpose of a prescription.

 

Re: Purchasing drugs overseas?

Posted by Mark on December 6, 1999, at 20:07:47

In reply to Re: Purchasing drugs overseas? , posted by Nervous on December 6, 1999, at 18:22:44

If anyone has purchased drugs from other countries and had the drugs shipped to them, please enlighten me: numbers of pharmacies that will do this, legal ramifications, etc. Thanks.

 

Re: Purchasing drugs overseas?

Posted by Phil on December 8, 1999, at 19:10:57

In reply to Purchasing drugs overseas? , posted by Diane on November 30, 1999, at 15:20:17

> Has anyone had ANY bad experiences with purchasing drugs overseas?
>
> Thanks
> Diane

Diane, My Reboxetine order arrived at my doorstep today-took 3 weeks. Ordered from IAS.
I have an appt w/ pdoc Monday and am very anxious
to get this show on the road. Nortriptyline, I believe, is beginning to help after a few weeks but if it doesn't do the trick, I'll drop it or talk w/ doc about augmentation...or whatever. Phil

 

Re: Purchasing drugs overseas?

Posted by Zeke on December 13, 1999, at 11:37:17

In reply to Re: Purchasing drugs overseas? , posted by saint james on November 30, 1999, at 20:47:06

James is basically right -- you have to have a prescription. I say basically because often the script can be obtained from a foreign physician at the pharmacy.

I'm not saying this is proper or safe but then again Rx prices in the US are similarly outrageous! (You'd also get a better deal if you were a dog than aperson -- veternary forms of Rx drugs are cheaper too.) I also question if all the oversite on noncontrolled drugs is necessary. (For that matter they sell codeine tabs OTC in Canada and I don't know of a glut of codeine junkies up north. Actually its a C5 drug here in some forms -- most people just don't know that.)

More about this can be found here: http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/imp-exp/trade/tools/archives/vol1n03/presmed.htm

That is the official customs site so probably more crediable than others. The only misinformation there is that unapproved are in fact being allowed in without red tape, essentially as a reaction to desperation of folks with AIDS. (Don't know how this plays with the script necessity since a US doc can't prescribe an unapproved drug.) Note also that the 90 day supply often mentioned is disclaimed on the Customs site.

Packages from overseas are checked RANDOMLY. However the government also keeps a special eye on packages from certain senders -- as possible.

 

Re: Purchasing drugs overseas?

Posted by andrewb on December 13, 1999, at 13:43:29

In reply to Re: Purchasing drugs overseas? , posted by Zeke on December 13, 1999, at 11:37:17


"....a US doc can't prescribe an unapproved drug", "...the 90 day supply often mentioned is disclaimed on the Customs site."

I am confused now Zeke. I keep on reading that a 90 day supply of medicine for personal use (as long as it is not a controlled substance) can be ordered or brought in from overseas, even if the medicine isn't approved of in the US. Whether a prescription is required depends on whether the country of origen requires a prescriptiion. For example, many drugs that require prescriptions in Switzerland don't require prescriptions in Thailand.
Also, I thought US doctors can prescribe medicines that aren't approved for use in the US. My psychiatrist checked on this and then prescribed me amisulpride which doesn't have US approval.
Can anybody clear up this confusion. Is there an official and unofficial US Customs policy concerning medicines?


 

Re: Purchasing drugs overseas?

Posted by Bruce on December 14, 1999, at 7:03:58

In reply to Re: Purchasing drugs overseas? , posted by andrewb on December 13, 1999, at 13:43:29

>
> "....a US doc can't prescribe an unapproved drug", "...the 90 day supply often mentioned is disclaimed on the Customs site."
>
> I am confused now Zeke. I keep on reading that a 90 day supply of medicine for personal use (as long as it is not a controlled substance) can be ordered or brought in from overseas, even if the medicine isn't approved of in the US. Whether a prescription is required depends on whether the country of origen requires a prescriptiion. For example, many drugs that require prescriptions in Switzerland don't require prescriptions in Thailand.
> Also, I thought US doctors can prescribe medicines that aren't approved for use in the US. My psychiatrist checked on this and then prescribed me amisulpride which doesn't have US approval.
> Can anybody clear up this confusion. Is there an official and unofficial US Customs policy concerning medicines?


US docs can prescribe medicines that are unapproved in the US. They can also prescribe medicines approved for one illness to treat a second illness. The treatment of the second illness is unapproved by the FDA, but permitted by law.

My understanding of the FDA's position is that you are allowed to import a small amount of drugs (uncontrolled substances of course) for personal use; the 90-day supply is used as an example of what the FDA had in mind. Sometimes Customs will confiscate the drugs and then it is up to you to go to court to force them to give it back, or at least convince them of your need. The folks at one site say that "traditionally, US CUSTOMS has allowed the importation of drugs for personal use.."

Tradition isn't much to hang your hat on.

Bruce

 

Q for Bruce; Reboxetine

Posted by andrewb on December 14, 1999, at 10:56:04

In reply to Re: Purchasing drugs overseas? , posted by Bruce on December 14, 1999, at 7:03:58

Thanks for your response Bruce, it cleared things up a bit.

Are you still on Reboxetine? How is it going?

 

Drugs overseas & possible package seizures??

Posted by Diane on December 17, 1999, at 14:36:18

In reply to Re: Purchasing drugs overseas? , posted by Zeke on December 13, 1999, at 11:37:17

I'm considering ordering Buprenorphine (a schedule V drug) from
http://www.feral.org/vitality/plist_active.htm but am scared of possible package
seizures.

Are seizures and criminal charges a COMMON occurrence? What are that chances of me loosing it all?

I just skimmed thru the US FDA Guidelines as posted at
http://www.feral.org/vitality/us_fda.htm Man! what a pain in the rearend.

I'm trying to skirt the doctors script.

 

Re: Drugs overseas & possible package seizures??

Posted by andrewb on December 17, 1999, at 17:40:06

In reply to Drugs overseas & possible package seizures?? , posted by Diane on December 17, 1999, at 14:36:18

> I'm considering ordering Buprenorphine (a schedule V drug) from
> http://www.feral.org/vitality/plist_active.htm but am scared of possible package
> seizures.
>
> Are seizures and criminal charges a COMMON occurrence? What are that chances of me loosing it all?
>
> I just skimmed thru the US FDA Guidelines as posted at
> http://www.feral.org/vitality/us_fda.htm Man! what a pain in the rearend.
>
> I'm trying to skirt the doctors script.

I have ordered a number of things from vitality including buprenorphine and everthing has gotten through ok. Get the insurence if you want to feel safer.

 

Re: What is buprenorphine?

Posted by Alice on December 19, 1999, at 19:23:52

In reply to Re: Drugs overseas & possible package seizures?? , posted by andrewb on December 17, 1999, at 17:40:06

What exactly is buprenorphine? Could it help with anxiety and social phobia? Isn't it possible to get arrested for doing that?

 

Re: What is buprenorphine?

Posted by saint james on December 27, 1999, at 1:21:11

In reply to Re: What is buprenorphine? , posted by Alice on December 19, 1999, at 19:23:52

> What exactly is buprenorphine? Could it help with anxiety and social phobia? Isn't it possible to get arrested for doing that?


James here....

Having scheduled meds onhand w/o doc's script is a felony and mailing them overseas is a really big felony.

j

 

Re: What is buprenorphine?

Posted by Alice on December 31, 1999, at 23:18:28

In reply to Re: What is buprenorphine? , posted by saint james on December 27, 1999, at 1:21:11

> > What exactly is buprenorphine? Could it help with anxiety and social phobia? Isn't it possible to get arrested for doing that?
>
>
> James here....
>
> Having scheduled meds onhand w/o doc's script is a felony and mailing them overseas is a really big felony.
>
> j

>>James, I figured as much! I hate the way the US treats us like such babies when it comes to controlled substances. Damn, in Canada, you can buy Codeine over-the-counter! *L*
>>>Alice

 

Re: Purchasing drugs overseas?

Posted by Stephanie L. on January 1, 2000, at 17:22:37

In reply to Re: Purchasing drugs overseas? , posted by Bruce on December 14, 1999, at 7:03:58

> >
> > "....a US doc can't prescribe an unapproved drug", "...the 90 day supply often mentioned is disclaimed on the Customs site."
> >
> > I am confused now Zeke. I keep on reading that a 90 day supply of medicine for personal use (as long as it is not a controlled substance) can be ordered or brought in from overseas, even if the medicine isn't approved of in the US. Whether a prescription is required depends on whether the country of origen requires a prescriptiion. For example, many drugs that require prescriptions in Switzerland don't require prescriptions in Thailand.
> > Also, I thought US doctors can prescribe medicines that aren't approved for use in the US. My psychiatrist checked on this and then prescribed me amisulpride which doesn't have US approval.
> > Can anybody clear up this confusion. Is there an official and unofficial US Customs policy concerning medicines?
>
>
> US docs can prescribe medicines that are unapproved in the US. They can also prescribe medicines approved for one illness to treat a second illness. The treatment of the second illness is unapproved by the FDA, but permitted by law.
>
> My understanding of the FDA's position is that you are allowed to import a small amount of drugs (uncontrolled substances of course) for personal use; the 90-day supply is used as an example of what the FDA had in mind. Sometimes Customs will confiscate the drugs and then it is up to you to go to court to force them to give it back, or at least convince them of your need. The folks at one site say that "traditionally, US CUSTOMS has allowed the importation of drugs for personal use.."
>
> Tradition isn't much to hang your hat on.
>
> Bruce


Bruce:
I read your recent posting saying that US Docs
can prescribe medicines that are not approved
in the US. I know that my Doc does not know this, and I want to bring him this information. Do you know where I can get a written policy regarding this? I know my Doc will insist on seeing something in writing, from a recognized authority (person or group) source. Thanks for your help.

 

Here you are(at least a start)

Posted by Bruce on January 2, 2000, at 21:34:45

In reply to Re: Purchasing drugs overseas? , posted by Stephanie L. on January 1, 2000, at 17:22:37


> Bruce:
> I read your recent posting saying that US Docs
> can prescribe medicines that are not approved
> in the US. I know that my Doc does not know this, and I want to bring him this information. Do you know where I can get a written policy regarding this? I know my Doc will insist on seeing something in writing, from a recognized authority (person or group) source. Thanks for your help.


This is from the FDA, and is their policy on personal importation.


http://www.fda.gov/ora/compliance_ref/rpm_new2/ch9pers.html


In deciding whether to exercise discretion to allow personal shipments of drugs or devices, FDA personnel may
consider a more permissive policy in the following situations:

1. when the intended use is appropriately identified, such use is not for treatment of a serious condition,
and the product is not known to represent a significant health risk; or

2. when a) the intended use is unapproved and for a serious condition for which effective treatment may
not be available domestically either through commercial or clinical means; b) there is no known
commercialization or promotion to persons residing in the U.S. by those involved in the distribution of
the product at issue; c) the product is considered not to represent an unreasonable risk; and d) the
individual seeking to import the product affirms in writing that it is for the patient's own use (generally
not more than 3 month supply)and provides the name and address of the doctor licensed in the U.S.
responsible for his or her treatment with the product, or provides evidence that the product is for the
continuation of a treatment begun in a foreign country.

Note especially the sentence about the 'physician responsible for his or her treatment with the product'.
The FDA *expects* medical guidance for unapproved drugs. I am sure each and every one of us on this board is following that advice. Ahem.

In general a physician may prescribe any substance that he deems helpful to his patient's illness.
I will search further for a more concrete example. That could take awhile (most laws are of the form "Thou shalt not" instead of "Thou can do")

I know in the past I have been prescribed vitamins and OTC substances for which a prescription is not necessary - a weak form of a doc writing a prescription for an unapproved drug.

Bruce

 

Re: Here you are(at least a start)

Posted by saint james on January 2, 2000, at 23:53:21

In reply to Here you are(at least a start), posted by Bruce on January 2, 2000, at 21:34:45

> I will search further for a more concrete example. That could take awhile (most laws are of the form "Thou shalt not" instead of "Thou can do")
>


James here....

It's called off label perscribing. Fhen/Phen would be a good example. Stims for adult ADD till reciently. Using anti-sezure meds for moods.

j

 

Re: Here you are(at least a start)

Posted by Bruce on January 3, 2000, at 8:16:16

In reply to Re: Here you are(at least a start), posted by saint james on January 2, 2000, at 23:53:21

> > I will search further for a more concrete example. That could take awhile (most laws are of the form "Thou shalt not" instead of "Thou can do")
> >
>
>
> James here....
>
> It's called off label perscribing. Fhen/Phen would be a good example. Stims for adult ADD till reciently. Using anti-sezure meds for moods.
>
> j

Yeah, that's a good example. Another example is treating premature ejaculation with SSRIs.

If I read her post correctly, I think Stephanie wanted assurance that her doc could prescribe a drug that is unapproved for ANY condition in the US.
Sort of like the situation with moclobemide, which is not approved for use in the US for anything at all (depression or otherwise). I have asked a physician and been told
that he could prescribe it anyway - the difficulty then becomes obtaining it. She wants a more concrete quote/example/reference than my say-so...I think.

Bruce

 

Re: Here you are(at least a start)

Posted by Stephanie L. on January 4, 2000, at 16:53:27

In reply to Re: Here you are(at least a start), posted by Stephanie L. on January 4, 2000, at 16:45:38

> > > > I will search further for a more concrete example. That could take awhile (most laws are of the form "Thou shalt not" instead of "Thou can do")
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > James here....
> > >
> > > It's called off label perscribing. Fhen/Phen would be a good example. Stims for adult ADD till reciently. Using anti-sezure meds for moods.
> > >
> > > j
> >
> > Yeah, that's a good example. Another example is treating premature ejaculation with SSRIs.
> >
> > If I read her post correctly, I think Stephanie wanted assurance that her doc could prescribe a drug that is unapproved for ANY condition in the US.
> > Sort of like the situation with moclobemide, which is not approved for use in the US for anything at all (depression or otherwise). I have asked a physician and been told
> > that he could prescribe it anyway - the difficulty then becomes obtaining it. She wants a more concrete quote/example/reference than my say-so...I think.
> >
> > Bruce

Bruce:

Your interpretation of what I'm looking for is exactly right. To give you a little more detail --
the drug is reboxetine, and I obtained some from England. I'm on four medications already
for depression and hesitate to try the drug
on my own. I want my Doc to be involved, but he will need proof that it's ok. thanks again.

 

Re: Drugs overseas & possible package seizures??

Posted by obilot on February 10, 2000, at 2:52:28

In reply to Drugs overseas & possible package seizures?? , posted by Diane on December 17, 1999, at 14:36:18

> I'm considering ordering Buprenorphine (a schedule V drug) from
> http://www.feral.org/vitality/plist_active.htm but am scared of possible package
> seizures.
>
> Are seizures and criminal charges a COMMON occurrence? What are that chances of me loosing i
>
> I just skimmed thru the US FDA Guidelines as posted at
> http://www.feral.org/vitality/us_fda.htm Man! what a pain in the rearend.
>
> I'm trying to skirt the doctors script.

Yes!!! I have had packages from thailand seized. actually, empty package sent to me with note from customs inside saying drug had been seized -ultram, with threatening letters from customs warning of legal consequences, unless i signed a waiver forfeiting the drug. couldn't get my $ back either, co. claimed it wasn't their problem-since they did deliver, guess they had a point. no prescription- can't get a dr. to prescribe opiates in sufficient amounts for pain relief, let alone for depression. are we allowed to bring codeine back from cananda in small amounts?

 

Re: Purchasing drugs overseas?

Posted by harry b. on February 10, 2000, at 21:13:34

In reply to Purchasing drugs overseas? , posted by Diane on November 30, 1999, at 15:20:17

> Has anyone had ANY bad experiences with purchasing drugs overseas?
>
> Thanks
> Diane

Whenever I get to Mexico I stock up on antibiotics.
I did buy Klonopin online from a co. in Thailand.
It took 3 months before I received it and there
was definite evidence that it was opened by US
Customs. They did not seize it though.

 

Re: Purchasing drugs overseas?

Posted by mike on March 11, 2000, at 16:01:37

In reply to Re: Purchasing drugs overseas? , posted by Mark on December 6, 1999, at 20:07:47

> I need the basic info on how to find sources

 

Re: What is buprenorphine?

Posted by Pat on April 10, 2000, at 20:35:16

In reply to Re: What is buprenorphine? , posted by saint james on December 27, 1999, at 1:21:11

>Having been on an FDA trial in New York back in the early 90's, I have some answers about buprenorphine
that you still may be looking for. I have used a long list of antidepressants, benzos, antiseizure,
"Major Tranqualizers" as well as narcotics for my depression. Let me know if I can help.

 

Buying drugs in Mexico

Posted by Lil on January 31, 2001, at 14:11:33

In reply to Re: Purchasing drugs overseas? , posted by saint james on November 30, 1999, at 20:47:06

Sorry Saint James, but your info is wrong. Even with a prescription it is illegal to bring all prescription medication into the US from Mexico as of the instant you set foot on the US side of the border. The US border patrol guards can knowingly pass you through and then arrest you the minute you're on US soil - unfortunately I saw it happen! They don't always do this -- it's like playing Russian roulette with your freedom.


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