Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 16213

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Perhaps many have thought of the same question:

Posted by anon (as if our names werent' virtually anon!) on December 5, 1999, at 4:28:45

I have had good success with SSRIs, yet, like many of you, I have undesirable sexual side effects. The issue is this: I currently have no girlfriend (I am a man). My sexual problem is the extreme difficulty in achieving orgasm- while, uh, masturbating. There. I've "said" it. Playboys, the whole thing. To me, this is important. But I would like to correct this problem: not only so I can continue to please myself, but also so that when I am intimate with a woman, I won't have to say, `I tried, it's just this medicine I'm taking.' Usually, when I'm turned on by a woman and things begin to go well, the problems subside somewhat. I think that the real-life encounter, the flirting ritual, and the prospect of imminent, real sexual contact exerts a powerful effect on my ability to get an erection and come (excuse the perhaps inappropriate choice of words).

I guess I'm just shy admitting this to my psychiatrist, as he knows I have no girlfriend. Everytime he asks how my Zoloft is working, I say it's fine. But even when I'm without a girlfriend, I enjoy indulging in the thrills my erogenous zone can provide. Lately, I've masturbated for as much as thirty minutes, and then finally GIVING UP on being able to come, which NEVER occurred before Zoloft.

Is anyone there with me?

 

Re: Perhaps many have thought of the same question:

Posted by Phil on December 5, 1999, at 7:52:27

In reply to Perhaps many have thought of the same question:, posted by anon (as if our names werent' virtually anon!) on December 5, 1999, at 4:28:45

Anon, I hear what you are saying but this problem is in your hands!
Seriously, talk to your doc about this. There are many alternatives...most don't work but there are things you can try.
If we don't tell doctors about these problems, they just assume we aren't having. Then the next patient walks in and the doc says,"Let's go with Zoloft, I get no complaints from others about it."
Make doctors earn their money and be honest. It's not a press conference in there. It's your life! Phil

 

Re: Perhaps many have thought of the same question:

Posted by JohnL on December 5, 1999, at 8:35:06

In reply to Perhaps many have thought of the same question:, posted by anon (as if our names werent' virtually anon!) on December 5, 1999, at 4:28:45

I agree whole-heartedly with Phil that you should tell the doctor. Lie and tell him you have a new girlfriend if you have to. But make sure he knows your anorgasmia is a serious handicap. Like Phil said, it's important he knows so he doesn't tell the next patient others have no problems with Zoloft. It's not fair to the next guy in line if the doc doesn't know the truth about what's going on.

He may have some favorite ways to deal with it. Adding Wellbutrin is quite popular. Buspar too. Remeron blocks the particular receptors causing the problem and is also used. Some people have combined Serzone with Zoloft for the same reason. Sometimes dopamine enhancing drugs like ritalin, bromocriptine, amantadine, pemoline. Not to mention a whole array of aphrodisiac herbal combinations. It's my general impression that things like Wellbutrin and Buspar are helpful in perhaps 50%, + or -, of people who try them. They don't always work, but they must be doing enough good out there that docs keep using them. The point is that there are remedies to try that have worked with other people having the same problems as you are. Let your doc know Zoloft is affecting your sex life. There are things to try.

 

30 minutes?

Posted by Bob on December 5, 1999, at 10:30:15

In reply to Re: Perhaps many have thought of the same question:, posted by JohnL on December 5, 1999, at 8:35:06

That hurts just to THINK about it! Ouch.

Okay, I've said this before and folks have raised their objections in how it's supposed to work, but I'm going to say it again. Viagra. Yes, the point of the medication was originally for treating men's erectile dysfunction, but now we're seeing studies done on how viagra is helping women as well. Now, I may be a bit naive, but are there any women out there with a serious erectile dysfunction problem?

Anyway, my point is that in my limited experience with viagra, it seems to tap into some sort of "primal urge" as much as anything else. It's not going to necessarily make you feel more romantic or amourous, but you may feel more inclined to let out several Tim Allen-esque primal grunt, your brow may begin to furl quite a bit, you may start stooping over some, and you may even grow some hair on your back once the stuff starts kicking in (45 minutes or so). Well, okay, you may not go totally caveman, but the stuff definitely pushes some psychological, maybe instinctual, buttons besides getting the pumps back in working order.

Pfizer's been mailing out free samples of this stuff to docotors ... see if your pdoc has a pack he can give you. It's worth a shot, and if it works it's a far sight better than messing with your AD mix.

Bob

 

Re: 30 minutes?

Posted by Cindy on December 5, 1999, at 12:02:57

In reply to 30 minutes?, posted by Bob on December 5, 1999, at 10:30:15

> That hurts just to THINK about it! Ouch.
>
> Okay, I've said this before and folks have raised their objections in how it's supposed to work, but I'm going to say it again. Viagra. Yes, the point of the medication was originally for treating men's erectile dysfunction, but now we're seeing studies done on how viagra is helping women as well. Now, I may be a bit naive, but are there any women out there with a serious erectile dysfunction problem?
>
> Anyway, my point is that in my limited experience with viagra, it seems to tap into some sort of "primal urge" as much as anything else. It's not going to necessarily make you feel more romantic or amourous, but you may feel more inclined to let out several Tim Allen-esque primal grunt, your brow may begin to furl quite a bit, you may start stooping over some, and you may even grow some hair on your back once the stuff starts kicking in (45 minutes or so). Well, okay, you may not go totally caveman, but the stuff definitely pushes some psychological, maybe instinctual, buttons besides getting the pumps back in working order.
>
> Pfizer's been mailing out free samples of this stuff to docotors ... see if your pdoc has a pack he can give you. It's worth a shot, and if it works it's a far sight better than messing with your AD mix.
>
> Bob
Anon and others, I agree that we need to tell our psych docs if we have sexual side effects to AD's. Otherwise not only do we suffer in silence but others do also. Having had sexual side effects from Prozac, Zoloft, and Luvox, I understand the embarrassment but found when I talked with my psych doc, we both became unembarrassed about talking about it and it wasn't any big deal (just like talking about nausea or headaches or constipation or something). If the libido-enhancers suggested on this board don't help (Viagra, Wellbutrin, yohimbe, etc.), you might want to ask about changing AD's as I found that is what finally worked for me (Serzone and Effexor didn't interfere with sex for me). Good luck and I hope this post isn't duplicated as I have had trouble with duplicating my posts somehow recently.--Cindy

 

Re: Perhaps many have thought of the same question:

Posted by saint james on December 5, 1999, at 14:02:07

In reply to Perhaps many have thought of the same question:, posted by anon (as if our names werent' virtually anon!) on December 5, 1999, at 4:28:45

> I guess I'm just shy admitting this to my psychiatrist, as he knows I have no girlfriend. Everytime he asks how my Zoloft is working, I say it's fine. But even when I'm without a girlfriend, I enjoy indulging in the thrills my erogenous zone can provide. Lately, I've masturbated for as much as thirty minutes, and then finally GIVING UP on being able to come, which NEVER occurred before Zoloft.
>

James here....

All pdoc's know that everyone, including themselves masturbates. Take comfort in the fact that a pdoc has heard everything (and some really
twisted things from the really crazy) so your problem (a very common one) is no big deal to a pdoc. They are here to help you (and you are paying big bucks) so be honest. Perhaps another AD will not have this effect in you. It took me a while to find the right AD that had to least amount of this side effect in me (Effexor)

Many years ago I did talk thearpy and we started talking about why James has no boyfriend. Father Christmas, that's what I called my doc 'cause thats what he looked like, asked " What do you do with your sexual energy ?" In a flash I realized he was asking me if I wack off, this thought made me a little scared, but as this was MY TIME and he said we could talk about anything I said "I wack off" to which he said "And do you know it is OK ?" Very puzzled look from James and I said "Of course !" He said "Good, some people do not realize this" I said "Too bad !" to which we both had a good laff.

j

 

Re: Perhaps many have thought of the same question:

Posted by saint james on December 5, 1999, at 14:11:51

In reply to Perhaps many have thought of the same question:, posted by anon (as if our names werent' virtually anon!) on December 5, 1999, at 4:28:45

Hmmm...Viagra. It is my understanding that it only helps to bring more blood to the area to get it up (pardon the vernacularisims, they are ez'er to type !) so if your problem is resolution Viagra may not help.

If the issue is amount of time it takes to resolution this may be an issue by yourself but if with another no one will mind !

j

 

Re: Perhaps many have thought of the same question:

Posted by doug on December 5, 1999, at 17:01:52

In reply to Perhaps many have thought of the same question:, posted by anon (as if our names werent' virtually anon!) on December 5, 1999, at 4:28:45

> I have had good success with SSRIs, yet, like many of you, I have undesirable sexual side effects. The issue is this: I currently have no girlfriend (I am a man). My sexual problem is the extreme difficulty in achieving orgasm- while, uh, masturbating. There. I've "said" it. Playboys, the whole thing. To me, this is important. But I would like to correct this problem: not only so I can continue to please myself, but also so that when I am intimate with a woman, I won't have to say, `I tried, it's just this medicine I'm taking.' Usually, when I'm turned on by a woman and things begin to go well, the problems subside somewhat. I think that the real-life encounter, the flirting ritual, and the prospect of imminent, real sexual contact exerts a powerful effect on my ability to get an erection and come (excuse the perhaps inappropriate choice of words).
>
> I guess I'm just shy admitting this to my psychiatrist, as he knows I have no girlfriend. Everytime he asks how my Zoloft is working, I say it's fine. But even when I'm without a girlfriend, I enjoy indulging in the thrills my erogenous zone can provide. Lately, I've masturbated for as much as thirty minutes, and then finally GIVING UP on being able to come, which NEVER occurred before Zoloft.
>
> Is anyone there with me?
Anon,
I know exactly how you feel. I had never had any problems in any way similar to anorgasmia unitil I started SSRI therapy. I tried Celexa, Paxil, and Luvox all with the anorgasmia side effect. I guess I can now sympathize with women having problems achieving orgasms. It is VERY frustrating. The only AD to not cause anorgasmia for me is Serzone. Also, in response to the Viagra suggestions, my understanding is that Viagra is for libido and/or errectile dysfunction, which is definitely not the problem with anorgasmia. The erection and desire is there but not the ability to achieve orgasm. Also, many times you never know when/if a sexual experience is going to take place, so even if the viagra worked spontaneity would go out the window.

 

Re: Perhaps many have thought of the same question:

Posted by Adam on December 5, 1999, at 17:38:50

In reply to Re: Perhaps many have thought of the same question:, posted by saint james on December 5, 1999, at 14:11:51

I've always been rather curious about the use of Viagra for SSRI dysfunction. If you want to talk about
embarassing disclosure, when I was in the hospital, I was started almost immediately on citalopram (Celexa).
I had had problems before with an SSRI and venlafaxine, so I, after a couple days, put Celexa to the test,
and noticed I had very normal erections and no ability at all to have an orgasm. Discussion of this was
tantamount to admitting to the docs that I was "waxing the dolphin" in the bathroom (to no avail), and they
didn't bat an eye. In fact, they had a nurse bring me a tablet of sildenofil the next day, and she even
asked me to tell her how it worked (TOTALLY forgot about this until I read this thread...damn ECT). So, you
know, the next day I'm being asked by this rather pretty nurse if Viagra did the trick, and, well, I'm
discussing masturbation, in the hospital, with a woman (who had, um, been of some "inspiration")...talk
about awkward. But, as someone said above, our health providers have heard it all, they've learned a great
deal about human sexuality as a necessity for their jobs, and pleasuring oneself is among the least weird
subjects they discuss with patients. FEAR NO OPEN TALK ABOUT SEX! It's vitally important to your
overall state of wellbeing. I have a personal belief that if people were more open to the idea of
complaining about AD-induced sexual dysfunction (which means discussing masturbation, and an acknowledgement
by all parties that beating off is an important aspect of sexual health), drug companies would work harder
to develop good meds that don't cause this problem. So, if you talk to your doctor, you're not only helping
yourself, you might be helping other people too by bolstering the anecdotal data.

Anyway, Viagra did zero for me. Engorgement wasn't the issue. After the hospital, a trial of ginko also
also failed, again, I believe, because turgidity was unaffected to begin with. It is SUCH a frustrating
problem. I never had much success with SSRIs, but it seems almost cruel to me to think that a good responder,
who finds him/herself relieved of depression and social phobia, would simultaneously be more able to pursue
sexual relationships and less/un-able to reap some important benefits of decreasedd social impairment. Very
unhappy irony.

> Hmmm...Viagra. It is my understanding that it only helps to bring more blood to the area to get it up (pardon the vernacularisims, they are ez'er to type !) so if your problem is resolution Viagra may not help.
>
> If the issue is amount of time it takes to resolution this may be an issue by yourself but if with another no one will mind !
>
> j

 

Re: Perhaps many have thought of the same question:

Posted by Phil on December 5, 1999, at 20:59:43

In reply to Re: Perhaps many have thought of the same question:, posted by Adam on December 5, 1999, at 17:38:50

> I've always been rather curious about the use of Viagra for SSRI dysfunction. If you want to talk about
> embarassing disclosure, when I was in the hospital, I was started almost immediately on citalopram (Celexa).
> I had had problems before with an SSRI and venlafaxine, so I, after a couple days, put Celexa to the test,
> and noticed I had very normal erections and no ability at all to have an orgasm. Discussion of this was
> tantamount to admitting to the docs that I was "waxing the dolphin" in the bathroom (to no avail), and they
> didn't bat an eye. In fact, they had a nurse bring me a tablet of sildenofil the next day, and she even
> asked me to tell her how it worked (TOTALLY forgot about this until I read this thread...damn ECT). So, you
> know, the next day I'm being asked by this rather pretty nurse if Viagra did the trick, and, well, I'm
> discussing masturbation, in the hospital, with a woman (who had, um, been of some "inspiration")...talk
> about awkward.

Adam,

Man, that story has some deeply, seriously funny stuff going on!! I can't comment any further but this would be a story to write a movie around!

Thanks,
Phil

 

Now think about this for a minute

Posted by Bob on December 5, 1999, at 21:02:35

In reply to Re: Perhaps many have thought of the same question:, posted by Adam on December 5, 1999, at 17:38:50

First of all, months back someone posted a URL for a site that discussed the use of ginko in this situation. Luckily, I bookmarked that page ... here again is the URL:

http://www.navicom.com/~patty/eng/ging.htm

Here in NYC, we got ginko trees all over the place and the last few months they've been dropping their "seeds" all over. Damn, should have grabbed some a brewed up my own, er, snake oil (pardon, again, the vernacularisms). [The reason why NYC has so many Asian trees is that they are the cockroach of the tree world. Haven't changed much in over 200 million years and they're so hard to kill off they'd probably survive a nuclear attack.]

I seem to recall another site with a broader range of suggestions. Just my luck, it's probably this site ... sorry, Dr. B, but Babble takes up so much of my on-line time allotment I hardly ever get the chance to look at the rest of your site that often!

Anyway, back to Viagra.

So it may work on the mechanical aspects. If it worked on libido (my dictionary calls it the sexual urge or instinct), then "desire" shouldn't be a problem either. So, the question remains (for us men, that is ... the women out there in the audience who've had experience with this med might enlighten us on the purported mechanism for your gender), does viagra do more than prime the pump?

Just remember, I haven't seen the inside of a biology class since 1978 and, being trained primarily as a physical scientist, avoided that icky living studies stuff like the plague.

How does aspirin work? You swallow the pills, it gets drawn into your bloodstream, and it gets pumped all over your body, not just to your head. So, there's nothing special about it -- no nanoprobe "Fantastic Voyage" submarine that's going to deliver the whole dose to your headache, right?

So, same would hold true for Viagra, wouldn't it? Now, is the tissue of the penis so specialized that it and only it will respond to the effect of Viagra, dialating capillaries or whatever winds up happening? Or would other tissues wind up being susceptible to the same effect? That sounds painful!

Or does Viagra work by, um, massaging that part of the nervous system responsible for arousal and kick it into overdrive?

No answers here ... I'm just speculating....
Bob

 

Re: Now think - I can't

Posted by Phil on December 5, 1999, at 21:15:51

In reply to Now think about this for a minute, posted by Bob on December 5, 1999, at 21:02:35

> I'm laughing at your's and Adams posts!!

 

Re: Now think - I can't

Posted by Bob on December 5, 1999, at 21:24:31

In reply to Re: Now think - I can't, posted by Phil on December 5, 1999, at 21:15:51

> > I'm laughing at your's and Adams posts!!

... and I have the greatest respect for al those health care professionals who can keep from getting those 7th-grade giggles and remain professional, all while still being able to have a sex life at home.

Every time I think about Viagra the name Buck Turgidson comes to mind, then all the other names in Dr. Strangelove, and I've lost it from that point forward....

Bob

 

Re: Now think - I can't

Posted by Cindy on December 5, 1999, at 21:35:08

In reply to Re: Now think - I can't, posted by Bob on December 5, 1999, at 21:24:31

> > > I'm laughing at your's and Adams posts!!
>
> ... and I have the greatest respect for al those health care professionals who can keep from getting those 7th-grade giggles and remain professional, all while still being able to have a sex life at home.
>
> Every time I think about Viagra the name Buck Turgidson comes to mind, then all the other names in Dr. Strangelove, and I've lost it from that point forward....
>
> Bob

Guys, I've been LOL at your posts! Seriously, thinking about sex and wanting to feel good (masturbation included) is a reasonable way to combat depression, as well as a sign of becoming less depressed!--Cindy

 

Re: Now think - I can't

Posted by Noa on December 6, 1999, at 7:39:49

In reply to Re: Now think - I can't, posted by Cindy on December 5, 1999, at 21:35:08

Definitely been a taboo subject for me, haven't talked about it with my pdoc since the very begining of all this pharaceutical treatment. And like many of you said, it would be a whole lot easier talking about it if I had a partner. Why is the idea of enjoying the equipment we are born with so difficult for us to discuss? I think it is even more difficult for women.

There is something poignant about the idea that all of us suffering under the oppressive burden of depression finally find relief, only to have to sacrifice sexual enjoyment. It seems cruel.

 

Re: Perhaps many have thought of the same question:

Posted by doug on December 6, 1999, at 17:26:35

In reply to Re: Perhaps many have thought of the same question:, posted by Adam on December 5, 1999, at 17:38:50

> > If the issue is amount of time it takes to resolution this may be an issue by yourself but if with another no one will mind !

You are right if the issue was that it only takes longer. In most cases that would be better for everyone involved. Unfortunately that isn't really the issue the issue with anorgasmia. The bummer is NO resolution at all ( i.e. - no orgasm ), and until it happens to you, I don't think you can completely understand how frustrating it is to you. Believe it or not anorgasmia (just speaking from my experience) is also frustrating to the partner (in my case my girlfriend). She took pleasure in
the fact that I achieved orgasm with her (she had made me feel the ultimate pleasure), and it made her feel even better.

 

Re: Perhaps many have thought of the same question:

Posted by Cindy on December 6, 1999, at 21:20:10

In reply to Re: Perhaps many have thought of the same question:, posted by doug on December 6, 1999, at 17:26:35

> > > If the issue is amount of time it takes to resolution this may be an issue by yourself but if with another no one will mind !
>
> You are right if the issue was that it only takes longer. In most cases that would be better for everyone involved. Unfortunately that isn't really the issue the issue with anorgasmia. The bummer is NO resolution at all ( i.e. - no orgasm ), and until it happens to you, I don't think you can completely understand how frustrating it is to you. Believe it or not anorgasmia (just speaking from my experience) is also frustrating to the partner (in my case my girlfriend). She took pleasure in
> the fact that I achieved orgasm with her (she had made me feel the ultimate pleasure), and it made her feel even better.

Doug, I agree that anorgasmia is a true bummer (once I tried for 4 hours, on Luvox, with no results even by myself!). My partner was equally bummed because he too takes pleasure in making me feel wonderful, so the anorgasmia affects two people, not just one, with frustration and sadness.--Cindy

 

How I learned to stop worrying and love the pill..

Posted by Adam on December 7, 1999, at 1:41:55

In reply to Re: Now think - I can't, posted by Bob on December 5, 1999, at 21:24:31

Bob,

I don't doubt that Viagra helps some with SSRI anorgasmia. Some controlled studies have
demonstrated as much. I can't figure it out, though. This whole atavistic caveman
thing is very interesting. I used to work in a lab that studied protein kinase C, and
when I first heard about sildenafil, I imagined inhibition of cGMP metabolism could
affect all kinds of things. I understand now the enzyme it affects is found primarily
in smooth muscle, but not exclusively. And anyway, these second messengers can diffuse.
In the end, who knows what Viagra is doing?

Unfortunately, not much for me.

> > > I'm laughing at your's and Adams posts!!
>
> ... and I have the greatest respect for al those health care professionals who can keep from getting those 7th-grade giggles and remain professional, all while still being able to have a sex life at home.
>
> Every time I think about Viagra the name Buck Turgidson comes to mind, then all the other names in Dr. Strangelove, and I've lost it from that point forward....
>
> Bob


 

Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the pill..

Posted by Bob on December 12, 1999, at 19:45:05

In reply to How I learned to stop worrying and love the pill.., posted by Adam on December 7, 1999, at 1:41:55

> I don't doubt that Viagra helps some with SSRI anorgasmia....

Now, the thing that I *haven't* said is that while it has helped get my inner caveman out of his cave, it truly did nothing for those aspects of making love with someone you care for that require more desire and romance than grunt-urge. The body was quite willing, but I was still emotionally detached from the experience ... which truly horrified me and has scared me off from using the stuff ever since. No matter -- my partner still wants me to use the stuff because it pleases her just fine.

Doug, Cindy: hate to put it this way, but I'm sure you understand when I say you're lucky to have partners who are as bothered by and concerned about your anorgasmia as you are.

Bob

 

Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the pill..

Posted by Adam on December 13, 1999, at 0:14:02

In reply to Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the pill.., posted by Bob on December 12, 1999, at 19:45:05

Bob,

I'm not even going to try to play Dr. Sex here (no pun anywhere inteneded), but there are
some things about your description of Viagra that still puzzle me. I never used it for
sex with another person, but it's my understanding that you take the pill 1/2 to one hour
before relations. I guess that ought to give plenty of time beforehand to, y'know, get
ready before the drug kicks in. It seems like there would be plenty of time to be tender
and affectionate. And then there's all the post-coital cuddling, etc. that give ample
opportunity to express deep emotion. I've seen people in movies gaze into one another's
eyes and weep for joy while making love, etc., but the reality of the actual act seems
less romantic and a little more carnal. Of course, I've never felt detached emotionally
with someone I cared for, and I agree I would find that disturbing too. But I can't see
how a bit of grunt urge isn't normal and appropriate. You know, lust? I've never felt
insulted by getting, you know, attacked.


> > I don't doubt that Viagra helps some with SSRI anorgasmia....
>
> Now, the thing that I *haven't* said is that while it has helped get my inner caveman out of his cave, it truly did nothing for those aspects of making love with someone you care for that require more desire and romance than grunt-urge. The body was quite willing, but I was still emotionally detached from the experience ... which truly horrified me and has scared me off from using the stuff ever since. No matter -- my partner still wants me to use the stuff because it pleases her just fine.
>
> Doug, Cindy: hate to put it this way, but I'm sure you understand when I say you're lucky to have partners who are as bothered by and concerned about your anorgasmia as you are.
>
> Bob

 

Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the pill..

Posted by Adam on December 13, 1999, at 9:19:03

In reply to Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the pill.., posted by Adam on December 13, 1999, at 0:14:02


I apologize for using "you know" all the time with this subject.

It has a certain "nudge-nudge, wink-wink" quality to it when read that is really
kind of puerile. I'll refrain.

 

Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the pill..

Posted by Elizabeth on December 13, 1999, at 12:37:37

In reply to Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the pill.., posted by Adam on December 13, 1999, at 9:19:03

Hey guys, "the pill" refers to something altogether different from Viagra. (In fact, a joke goes that said Pill works by making one disinterested in sex.)

 

Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the pill..

Posted by Adam on December 13, 1999, at 13:15:28

In reply to Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the pill.., posted by Elizabeth on December 13, 1999, at 12:37:37

I'm sorry. It was an attempt to work a monosylabic word into "Dr. Strangelove's" subtitle. I have heard Viagra
referred to as "the pill" however, perhaps an ironic juxtaposition to birth control pills and their somewhat divergent
uses. No offense is meant by using "the pill", and I did not intend for that to mean birth control. I apologize
to anyone that may have offended, if it did. I don't wish to be insensitive.

> Hey guys, "the pill" refers to something altogether different from Viagra. (In fact, a joke goes that said Pill works by making one disinterested in sex.)

 

say no more, squire!

Posted by Bob on December 13, 1999, at 16:14:02

In reply to Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the pill.., posted by Adam on December 13, 1999, at 13:15:28

Okay, how about instead of just "the pill" or even "the Pill", we call it (when being irreverent) "the V Pill" ... not to be confused with the "V Chip", the intended purpose of which is quite the opposite of the V Pill.

As for lust -- sure, that's great, too! But when I used the V Pill and gave into what my lust (out-of-)control center was telling me to do, the last thing I expected was for my mind, my heart, to not just stay out of the process ... part of me wanted to jump out of my body and run away. The majority of me was just too confused to make any change in the situation at all. Obviously, there's some serious psychological issues I need to deal with here, and I guess that was my point. If the anorgasmia is related to meds, then maybe the V Pill can get that love engine cooking enough to pull the rest you along for the ride. On the other hand, if you have some psychological issue confounded with the pharmaceutical issue, caveman (or cavewoman) lust may not be enough to get you through.

Bob

 

Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the pill..

Posted by Elizabeth on December 13, 1999, at 21:16:21

In reply to Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the pill.., posted by Adam on December 13, 1999, at 13:15:28

> I'm sorry. It was an attempt to work a monosylabic word into "Dr. Strangelove's" subtitle. I have heard Viagra
> referred to as "the pill" however, perhaps an ironic juxtaposition to birth control pills and their somewhat divergent
> uses. No offense is meant by using "the pill", and I did not intend for that to mean birth control. I apologize
> to anyone that may have offended, if it did. I don't wish to be insensitive.

You're worse than insensitive! You don't get my jokes!

:) :) :)

(Yeah, I got the _Dr. Strangelove_ reference. "The pill, Dmitri...the birth control pill.")


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