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Nutrition

Posted by Noa on November 29, 1999, at 16:32:49

I am moderately aware of the basics in nutrition, but don't know much about some of the nitty gritty of how different nutritional elements affect depression, etc. Sometimes I am curious about whether eating better or taking supplements would help. My nutrition has been neglected a lot in recent years, because I have not cooked for myself at all, and have relied on processed foods, carry out, etc. Now, the extreme of thinking like my friend who told me I was depressed because all I had eaten in 3 days was a pizza, seems outlandish to me, but in the big picture, he has a point. Over the long run, my neglect of proper eating habits might be making my depression worse.

So I bought a book. It is a bit overwhelming, too much info to take in. But I am picking up some things that pique my curiosity about myself. First, I think I don't get enough B vitamins, because I don't eat meat or poultry, and only sometimes do I eat fish. Second, I definitely have not gotten enough fresh greens, etc. and am probably low on Folic Acid. I also wonder about other deficincies-zinc, fish oil, for instance. I don't feel ready to go the supplement route, and think I should probably just start changing my eating as much as possible to include more fresh fruits, vegies, etc.
There are some conflicting issues--on being, fish is not recommended for people with water retention, because of the iodine. But it is recommended for depression, because of the fish oil.
Some basics I can start with are reducing the caffiene, I think, and eating more fresh vegies. I also need to eat less fat, of course, as my cholesterol is too high.

Has anyone out there had experience in getting a handle on their nutrition, and does it help with depression, anxiety, etc? It is a bit overwhelming to read this book (by an MD and a nutritionist) because they are like many natural healing folks that suggest so many supplemental herbs, etc. and are into the idea of lots of food allergies, which I don't think is so farfetched, but is probably more than I can handle right now. Should I consult a professional? Are there ways to test whether you are deficient in something? Has anyone worked with a psychiatrist who knows something about nutrition, and works with patients about that?

 

Re: Nutrition(my experience, & what I've read)

Posted by CarolAnn on November 29, 1999, at 19:48:38

In reply to Nutrition, posted by Noa on November 29, 1999, at 16:32:49

I will *attempt* to keep this as brief as possible(probably won't succeed!)

I have always been a reader, and when I read nonfiction, I always choose health related or medical material. In fact, a couple of friends call "Dr." Carol when they need info on medicines(what to take for what), injuries, medical procedures, nutrition, ect.
So, I feel pretty confidant in replying to your post, Noa. Supplements: I understand the feeling of not wanting to take any type of nutritional supplement, but in *all* the literature I have seen on good nutrition it has been stated that there is no way possible to get every single nutrient we need strictly from food, for example: Fish oil-in order to get the amount of omega 3 fatty acids our bodies need, you would have to eat a *minimum* of a quarter pound of fish(and it must be cold water fish-expensive & fattening) at a minimum of four times a week. It is especially hard for women to get all their nutrients from food alone. for example: iron and folic acid, which is so necessary for having a healthy baby and is so scarce in most foods, that the bread companies are being mandated to supplement their breads with folic acid(which all women of childbaring age should be taking *well* before any pregnancy in order to protect the child from spina bifida.).
You are right though about all those "health" nazi's out there. You can go nuts trying to take everything that is "highly" recommended for optimum health! I have spent literally hundreds of dollars on every herb imaginable that the "experts" claimed would boost energy.
My advise is this, don't waste money on a nutritionist, they can't tell you anything that you can't learn in a book. Instead of trying to get it all in one huge confusing book though, start with *current* information on specific supplements. Also, doctors, nutritionists, and natural healers, are of the "all or nothing" school. Trying to do it "all" will only confuse and discourage you.
Here is how I "evolved" my current supplement regimen. I chose specific supplements for specific things that I felt were lacking in my diet. I do take fishoil capsules(five 2000mg capsules per day) giving me just over the recommended(recently)9.3 grams of omega 3 fatty acids required to effect depression and also cardiovascular health. I take a generic version of Centrum multivitamins, because my research has found that they are most complete, as well as deriving a large amount of their vitamin A from beta-carotene,which is excreted if excess occurs(lessening chances of vitamin A overdose,which is almost deadly!). I take Calcium & Vitamin E, which are both on the list of nutrients that are not found in sufficient amounts in food alone(unless,for calcium,you take in *alot* of dairy).
So, I take three vitamin/mineral supplements each morning as well as three fishoil a.m. and two p.m.
Is it helping? I truly think it would if I could stop eating so much sugar and fat. Which brings me to my experience that when I eat a balanced(any library can find you the "balanced diet" food pyramid-the national standard.), low-fat, diet I do seem to remember(it's been so long ago) that I really did feel better both physically and emotionally. I wouldn't say *well* but definitely better.
Sorry, I couldn't manage brief!CarolAnn

 

Re: Nutrition

Posted by Janice on November 29, 1999, at 22:41:37

In reply to Nutrition, posted by Noa on November 29, 1999, at 16:32:49

> I am moderately aware of the basics in nutrition, but don't know much about some of the nitty gritty of how different nutritional elements affect depression, etc. Sometimes I am curious about whether eating better or taking supplements would help. My nutrition has been neglected a lot in recent years, because I have not cooked for myself at all, and have relied on processed foods, carry out, etc. Now, the extreme of thinking like my friend who told me I was depressed because all I had eaten in 3 days was a pizza, seems outlandish to me, but in the big picture, he has a point. Over the long run, my neglect of proper eating habits might be making my depression worse.
>
> So I bought a book. It is a bit overwhelming, too much info to take in. But I am picking up some things that pique my curiosity about myself. First, I think I don't get enough B vitamins, because I don't eat meat or poultry, and only sometimes do I eat fish. Second, I definitely have not gotten enough fresh greens, etc. and am probably low on Folic Acid. I also wonder about other deficincies-zinc, fish oil, for instance. I don't feel ready to go the supplement route, and think I should probably just start changing my eating as much as possible to include more fresh fruits, vegies, etc.
> There are some conflicting issues--on being, fish is not recommended for people with water retention, because of the iodine. But it is recommended for depression, because of the fish oil.
> Some basics I can start with are reducing the caffiene, I think, and eating more fresh vegies. I also need to eat less fat, of course, as my cholesterol is too high.
>
> Has anyone out there had experience in getting a handle on their nutrition, and does it help with depression, anxiety, etc? It is a bit overwhelming to read this book (by an MD and a nutritionist) because they are like many natural healing folks that suggest so many supplemental herbs, etc. and are into the idea of lots of food allergies, which I don't think is so farfetched, but is probably more than I can handle right now. Should I consult a professional? Are there ways to test whether you are deficient in something? Has anyone worked with a psychiatrist who knows something about nutrition, and works with patients about that?

Hi Noa,
I started working on eating properly 6 months ago; and learning to eat well certainly is a process and the amount of information is overwhelming. So far I find it is worth it, definately!

I wanted to keep it simple so I called Health and Welfare Canada, who sent me a compact information package. I aim to eat reguarly with healthy snacks inbetween meals, and aim for the bottom of the servings. Pretty modest goals. It really does help. I also take supplements, which haven't changed the way I feel in any noticable manner. The eating well and regularly really helps. I have also seen a nutritionalist a couple of times to get my diet assessed and answer some questions i had collected. Janice.

 

Re: Nutrition

Posted by jamie on November 30, 1999, at 3:26:34

In reply to Nutrition, posted by Noa on November 29, 1999, at 16:32:49

I read books on nutrition and have tried various diets. They do help in a subtle way. Not a cure for me tho. It goes something like this...whole wheat toast (whole wheat, not just wheat) or oatmeal for breakfast, vegetarian snacks and lunch, avoid meats and proteins during the day. This increases serotonin by allowing natural tryptophan to cross the brain barrier unimpeded by proteins. This is a relaxing good mood diet. On the other hand, if serotonin isn't the problem, then a high protein diet is better for energy and attentiveness. Experimentation with either a high carbohydrate diet or a high protein diet will give a clue which is better for you. But for me the differences were insignificant. I think it all gets back to the basics...eat a well balanced diet with low fat and take a vitamin mineral supplement high in the B vitamins, with the trace minerals selenium and magnesium. Calcium supplements, especially for women, and fish oil supplements are also a good idea. I doubt any super healthy diet will help depression much, but it sure won't hurt. And at least you'll know your body has everything it needs for good health, strong disease resistance, and strong cancer resistance.

The meats we eat are interesting. Ever notice how we get sleepy after a turkey meal? That's partially because turkey is high in tryptophan which makes serotonin. Turkey calms and relaxes by providing more serotonin production than any other meat. The intricate manipulations of diet are endless. But with subtle non-earthshaking results.

Another interesting tidbit is poopout. Just like antidepressants can poopout on us, a diet can too. A specific diet might help mood at first, but with continued use can actually poopout just like a drug. More evidence that there's no better philosophy than a well balanced diet with proper supplementation.

 

Re: Nutrition

Posted by Adam on November 30, 1999, at 10:27:58

In reply to Nutrition, posted by Noa on November 29, 1999, at 16:32:49

I've been curious about supplements and diet for quite some time. There was a period of about six
months that I swore off antidepressants entirely, and even tried St. John's Wort for about three months.
SJW didn't do much of anything, I don't think, to improve my mood, nor has taking loads of vitamin B
complex or anything else. I haven't tried megadosing on omega-3 fatty acids or SAMe, but my feeling is
none of those could do for mood what an MAOI has done for me.

What I do know about diet is when I eat lots of junk I feel disgusting, and when I take the time to
make a healthy meal, I feel good physically, and also mentally, a little, as it is a bit of an
accomplishment these days for me to motivate and prepare something nice. A week ago I steamed some
brown rice, threw on some (also lightly steamed) fresh asparagus and some white fish I cooked for the
minimum time in the oven. Squeezed some lemon juice on top. That was it. Easy, pretty tasty, and I
just felt good eating it. I get the same sort of feeling out of sushi, like it's cleaning my system
out by virtue of its freshness and lightness. I know there's nothing to that but perception, but
perception can go a long way. Plus I'm a total wasabi addict. I sometimes wonder if eating really
spicy food couldn't be a bit of a mood booster just because of the endorphin rush; all those vanilloids,
capsacin and the like, could be doing something.

Get a rice steamer. A decent one costs less than 50 bucks, you just measure out some rice, throw some
water in, go away, and a half hour later, voila, perfect rice. You can also toss in vegetables, whatever,
and it always comes out just right. If you get the right rice, combine with some good veggies, add the
low-fat protein source of your choice, season with hot or tangy things...you can eat pretty well, and
it's easy and cheap. I don't know what I'd do without the thing, as I really dislike complicated cooking.
Reminds me too much of work, maybe :).

> I am moderately aware of the basics in nutrition, but don't know much about some of the nitty gritty of how different nutritional elements affect depression, etc. Sometimes I am curious about whether eating better or taking supplements would help. My nutrition has been neglected a lot in recent years, because I have not cooked for myself at all, and have relied on processed foods, carry out, etc. Now, the extreme of thinking like my friend who told me I was depressed because all I had eaten in 3 days was a pizza, seems outlandish to me, but in the big picture, he has a point. Over the long run, my neglect of proper eating habits might be making my depression worse.
>
> So I bought a book. It is a bit overwhelming, too much info to take in. But I am picking up some things that pique my curiosity about myself. First, I think I don't get enough B vitamins, because I don't eat meat or poultry, and only sometimes do I eat fish. Second, I definitely have not gotten enough fresh greens, etc. and am probably low on Folic Acid. I also wonder about other deficincies-zinc, fish oil, for instance. I don't feel ready to go the supplement route, and think I should probably just start changing my eating as much as possible to include more fresh fruits, vegies, etc.
> There are some conflicting issues--on being, fish is not recommended for people with water retention, because of the iodine. But it is recommended for depression, because of the fish oil.
> Some basics I can start with are reducing the caffiene, I think, and eating more fresh vegies. I also need to eat less fat, of course, as my cholesterol is too high.
>
> Has anyone out there had experience in getting a handle on their nutrition, and does it help with depression, anxiety, etc? It is a bit overwhelming to read this book (by an MD and a nutritionist) because they are like many natural healing folks that suggest so many supplemental herbs, etc. and are into the idea of lots of food allergies, which I don't think is so farfetched, but is probably more than I can handle right now. Should I consult a professional? Are there ways to test whether you are deficient in something? Has anyone worked with a psychiatrist who knows something about nutrition, and works with patients about that?

 

Re: Nutrition, jamie, Tryp.

Posted by Adam on December 1, 1999, at 15:17:08

In reply to Re: Nutrition, posted by jamie on November 30, 1999, at 3:26:34

Jamie,

I'm interested in what you mean by a diet "pooping out"? I've never
heard that expression used before for food :-).

Tryptophan: I slipped into a major food coma this Thanksgiving after eating
copious amounts of Turkey. The amino acid tryptophan is a precursor of
serotonin, but I was wondering, is it an increase in serotonin synthesis
(due, maybe to an excess of a reactant driving the process forward) that
causes sedation, or is tryptophan (or an intermediate metabolyte, like maybe
5-Hydroxy Tryp.)having some direct affect on somnolence?


> I read books on nutrition and have tried various diets. They do help in a subtle way. Not a cure for me tho. It goes something like this...whole wheat toast (whole wheat, not just wheat) or oatmeal for breakfast, vegetarian snacks and lunch, avoid meats and proteins during the day. This increases serotonin by allowing natural tryptophan to cross the brain barrier unimpeded by proteins. This is a relaxing good mood diet. On the other hand, if serotonin isn't the problem, then a high protein diet is better for energy and attentiveness. Experimentation with either a high carbohydrate diet or a high protein diet will give a clue which is better for you. But for me the differences were insignificant. I think it all gets back to the basics...eat a well balanced diet with low fat and take a vitamin mineral supplement high in the B vitamins, with the trace minerals selenium and magnesium. Calcium supplements, especially for women, and fish oil supplements are also a good idea. I doubt any super healthy diet will help depression much, but it sure won't hurt. And at least you'll know your body has everything it needs for good health, strong disease resistance, and strong cancer resistance.
>
> The meats we eat are interesting. Ever notice how we get sleepy after a turkey meal? That's partially because turkey is high in tryptophan which makes serotonin. Turkey calms and relaxes by providing more serotonin production than any other meat. The intricate manipulations of diet are endless. But with subtle non-earthshaking results.
>
> Another interesting tidbit is poopout. Just like antidepressants can poopout on us, a diet can too. A specific diet might help mood at first, but with continued use can actually poopout just like a drug. More evidence that there's no better philosophy than a well balanced diet with proper supplementation.

 

Re: Nutrition, jamie, Tryp.

Posted by jamie on December 1, 1999, at 16:07:43

In reply to Re: Nutrition, jamie, Tryp., posted by Adam on December 1, 1999, at 15:17:08

> Jamie,
>
> I'm interested in what you mean by a diet "pooping out"? I've never
> heard that expression used before for food :-).

I know it sounds funny, but I'm serious. A serotonin diet (rich in carbohydrates) that gives good results will lose its effectiveness over time.
>
> Tryptophan: I slipped into a major food coma this Thanksgiving after eating
> copious amounts of Turkey. The amino acid tryptophan is a precursor of
> serotonin, but I was wondering, is it an increase in serotonin synthesis
> (due, maybe to an excess of a reactant driving the process forward) that
> causes sedation, or is tryptophan (or an intermediate metabolyte, like maybe
> 5-Hydroxy Tryp.)having some direct affect on somnolence?

Maybe both? :-) jamie

 

Re: Java Jive, or Demonic Possession?

Posted by Adam on December 3, 1999, at 9:47:27

In reply to Nutrition, posted by Noa on November 29, 1999, at 16:32:49


One thing I've noticed lately (being on a rather stimulating drug already) is
my tolerance for caffeine is about zero. I think a couple of my more exuberant
posts of late can be attributed, at least in part, to one double-espresso too many
(which, in my case, seems to be about one). I compare it a bit to my little bout
of "hypomania" I had when starting selegiline. Three hours of "Happy Happy Joy Joy"
followed by a nosedive crash into the tarmac. After which, of course, I can't
sleep. I always did get a bit loopy on caffeine, but this is a whole 'nother
experience.


 

Re: Java Jive, or Demonic Possession?

Posted by Judi on December 3, 1999, at 11:21:50

In reply to Re: Java Jive, or Demonic Possession?, posted by Adam on December 3, 1999, at 9:47:27

> The talk about nutrition is interesting. Thought of going on antidepressants again because of how incredibly stuck I've felt for a while now (unable to make decisions and move forward!). Been on antidepressants before but I always fight it.. Nutrition has seemed like another path. I do believe that sugar, caffeine and alcohol are three things that can wreak havoc on mood. And sugar is in so many things besides the obvious. The one element missing here though is exercise. Diet can help. I agree with other folks that it may be just a piece of the whole picture (not the entire answer). But, exercise along with it is crucial. When I can actually get out there and walk, I feel so different. Being in the natural light is a big factor as well, especially during this season.


 

Re: Java Jive, or Demonic Possession?

Posted by Noa on December 3, 1999, at 12:00:32

In reply to Re: Java Jive, or Demonic Possession?, posted by Judi on December 3, 1999, at 11:21:50

I have pretty much taken myself off coffee, which I had been drinking religiously every morning. It started when I wasn't feeling well physically, and for a few days, I had tea instead of coffee. Then, when in the throes of depression, I had no desire for coffee. I have had some headaches, that I think are related, but I believe I have survived going off the heavy duty caffeine. Which is good, I think, because today I started lithium, and I believe it will be better for me to not complicate it all with caffeine. I will stick to black tea for a while, then transition to green tea, which has less caffeine, and maybe on to herbal, tho I might allow myself just a touch of the tea.

 

Re: Nutrition

Posted by siri on December 9, 1999, at 18:14:23

In reply to Nutrition, posted by Noa on November 29, 1999, at 16:32:49


Noa and everybody:
I am new to this forum, having just discovered it today. I have been devouring your words on many threads. I'm trying to get info on Zoloft but my interests brought me to this thread.
I don't know anything about anti-depressants but am wanting to try Zoloft or something for my chronic depression. I know it's caused by Wilson's Syndrome but I can't take the T3 therapy. Propranolol helps my thyroid-related erratic heartbeat and anxiety.
However, what I DO have tons of experience with is 25 years of using nutrition and so-called "alternative medicine". There was a long time when I would have died before taking a prescription drug. I am not such a purist anymore. I got tired of working my fanny off trying to do all the "right" things and still feeling like hammered poop.
But nutrition and proper supplements can do wonders for some conditions, for some people, if you find what works for you. The fanatics make the mistake of thinking that there is one right way for everybody. It's just not so. EveryBODY is unique. Ayurvedic and Chinese medicine take these constitutional differences into account when suggesting diet and herbs.
Kinesionics or Kinesiology (muscle-testing) can be extremely effective for fine-tuning a diet and supplement regimen. The same supplement that the books recommend can test "beneficial" for one person, and "detrimental" for another suffering from the same illness.
I had breast cancer a couple of years ago. I have a weak liver and immune system, so I was very concerned that the chemo that is so hard for people to take might be fatal for me. So I elected to go with a total nutritional approach to treat myself. I'm not saying that everyone should choose the same thing that I did: EveryBODY is different. Even the nutritional and diet programs I studied work well for some people, and don't work at all for others. It's hard to know ahead of time what will work for you. I learned to listen to my gut. I am one of the lucky survivors.
The thing that made the difference for me was the nutritionist I see who muscle-tested me for everything I was taking. There were times when I read that I should take such-and such, or when she wanted to put me on such-and such, but when we muscle-tested, my body said NO. A few months later, my body might say YES to the same supplement.
The muscle-testing allowed us to be accurate and I didn't waste time and money on things that my body couldn't utilize. I think this approach works for me with medications, too. She was surprised that the Propranolol consistently tests beneficial for me. She always hopes that we can get me on something more "natural" to help my anxiety and heart, but nothing works as well as the Propranolol. We laugh together about that. She is very supportive of me, and trusts that my body knows what's best for me. She helps me a lot, but there are some things she hasn't been able to make much of an impact on- my thyroid, for instance. But regular M.D.'s have limitations, too, so I don't consider this a reason to write off Alternative or nutritional medicine.
I wish more doctors were like her. Too many health care professionals are locked-in to their field of knowledge and poo-poo anything from a different perspective. The vegetarians can be rigid, as can the omnivores. I was vegetarian for over 24 years, and still got cancer. Now I eat some organically raised meat, and actually feel better. The militant vegetarians had me believing that meat was going to kill me.
Most books tell women to take calcium, but it blows me out. I need Magnesium instead. That's just one little example. Most authorities say I would benefit from aerobic exercise. But because of my thyroid condition, my muscle tissue (and the heart is a muscle) doesn't repair itself well and most exercise breaks me down instead of building me up. It's my depression about this eternal "couch-potatohood" that is making me want to research anti-depressants. Winter always makes it worse because I get so cold...
There is no such thing as something that is best for everyBODY.
So I would encourage you to read a lot and try whatever seems reasonable, within balance.
There is so much information out there that is good, or bogus, you have to find your own "best". And even that may change and evolve over time as you constantly change. Instead of getting discouraged, you can consider it a wonderful journey of discovery.
I apologize for the length of this first post of mine, and if I overstepped any forum rules by discussing the medical approaches that I have used.
Blessed Be!
Siri

> I am moderately aware of the basics in nutrition, but don't know much about some of the nitty gritty of how different nutritional elements affect depression, etc. Sometimes I am curious about whether eating better or taking supplements would help. My nutrition has been neglected a lot in recent years, because I have not cooked for myself at all, and have relied on processed foods, carry out, etc. Now, the extreme of thinking like my friend who told me I was depressed because all I had eaten in 3 days was a pizza, seems outlandish to me, but in the big picture, he has a point. Over the long run, my neglect of proper eating habits might be making my depression worse.
>
> So I bought a book. It is a bit overwhelming, too much info to take in. But I am picking up some things that pique my curiosity about myself. First, I think I don't get enough B vitamins, because I don't eat meat or poultry, and only sometimes do I eat fish. Second, I definitely have not gotten enough fresh greens, etc. and am probably low on Folic Acid. I also wonder about other deficincies-zinc, fish oil, for instance. I don't feel ready to go the supplement route, and think I should probably just start changing my eating as much as possible to include more fresh fruits, vegies, etc.
> There are some conflicting issues--on being, fish is not recommended for people with water retention, because of the iodine. But it is recommended for depression, because of the fish oil.
> Some basics I can start with are reducing the caffiene, I think, and eating more fresh vegies. I also need to eat less fat, of course, as my cholesterol is too high.
>
> Has anyone out there had experience in getting a handle on their nutrition, and does it help with depression, anxiety, etc? It is a bit overwhelming to read this book (by an MD and a nutritionist) because they are like many natural healing folks that suggest so many supplemental herbs, etc. and are into the idea of lots of food allergies, which I don't think is so farfetched, but is probably more than I can handle right now. Should I consult a professional? Are there ways to test whether you are deficient in something? Has anyone worked with a psychiatrist who knows something about nutrition, and works with patients about that?

 

Re: Nutrition

Posted by Noa on December 9, 1999, at 18:57:55

In reply to Re: Nutrition, posted by siri on December 9, 1999, at 18:14:23

Siri,
Thanks for your interesting post. Tell me, how is muscle testing done? I have never heard of it. And, what kind of professional would do it? A nutritionist?

 

Re: Nutrition

Posted by Noa on December 9, 1999, at 18:59:17

In reply to Re: Nutrition, posted by siri on December 9, 1999, at 18:14:23

Oh, and BTW, Welcome!

 

Re: Nutrition

Posted by siri on December 10, 1999, at 9:26:05

In reply to Re: Nutrition, posted by Noa on December 9, 1999, at 18:57:55

> Siri,
> Thanks for your interesting post. Tell me, how is muscle testing done? I have never heard of it. And, what kind of professional would do it? A nutritionist?

I just did a search on Google (type
in "Kinesiology"). There were thousands of listings. This one seemed like an informative site. It's based on "Touch For Health" which is one of the classic Kinesiology schools.
http://www.lexicon.net/lightman/default.htm

I seem to notice more Chiropractors practising Kinesiology rather then M.D.'s. You might look up the Chiropractors in your yellow pages and see if any of them mention that they do Kinesiology.
My doctor (who is a Chiropractor) muscle-tested me for all sorts of foods and found several that i was allergic to. I feel better when I don't eat those foods, or just indulge in them for special occasions. She also found some foods that tested so good for me that they are practically medicinal: Lamb and Beef, surprisingly. That was when I stopped being a vegetarian. We discovered that I was getting blown away by perfumes, so I did a search around my house and discovered that it was the scent in the kitty litter that was messing me up. Switched to unscented kitty litter and a lot of my irritability just disappeared!
Basically, muscle-testing is done by having you hold some food or a supplement or whatever, and the doctor presses down on your outstretched arm to see if it gets stronger or weaker. It's more intricate than that- they test all the internal organs and nerve flow pathways and a lot more, to find the source of the imbalances, then they test to see what will work best to remedy the imbalances. Kinesiologists are usually highly trained in nutrition but they customize their recommendations according to what your body tells them it needs.
Thanks for the welcome; it feels friendly here. I am learning a lot from this forum.
Best regards,
siri


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