Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 14288

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Renewtrient

Posted by Ray on October 31, 1999, at 6:40:11

Does any body know anything about Renewtrient for sleep, can it be taken with effexor.

 

Re: Renewtrient

Posted by andrewb on November 1, 1999, at 10:29:50

In reply to Renewtrient, posted by Ray on October 31, 1999, at 6:40:11

> Does any body know anything about Renewtrient for sleep, can it be taken with effexor.

Ray,
Renewtrient can be used to get a restful sleep, but beware, its use has many potential hazards. Renewtrient when ingested is converted by the body to gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB). This is a substance that has gained some notoriety due to deaths that have been associated with it. It is used on the party scene as a euphoriant. The effect a person gets is very much dose dependent. A little too much and a person will quite suddenly pass out, whether they are at a bar partying or behind the wheel of a car. Because of this property it has been used as a date rape drug--- it is slipped in a drink and the poor girl doesnít know what hit her. The worst problems with GHB occur when it is mixed with alcohol, many deaths have been reported due to this combination. Both alcohol and GHB are CNS depressants and in combination can cause the cessation of vital functions. No surprise then that GHB has been banned from sale in numerous states. Renewtrient and other analogs have been formulated and marketed to get around these legal restrictions.
GHB is used in Europe as an anesthetic, for withdrawal from alcohol and one or two other uses. But can it be used for to help poor sleep? Certainly the internet sites that sell the substance claim that it is well suited for this use but what they say must be taken with a grain of salt. According to a post at this site made about 6 months ago, GHB is being studied in the US for use with people with narcolepsy. GHB seems to help not only with the onset of sleep but also with the quality of sleep. According to a study done in the US with patients having fibromyalgia, GHB increases slow wave sleep and decreases the severity of alpha (wave) anomaly. This makes GHB very different from barbituates which tend to interfere with sleep quality.
Does this mean GHB and Renewtrient should be taken for serious sleep problems? Whatever you decide, note the following cautions:
1) You canít be awoken when under GHB. If there is a fire or a child needs your help, forget it.
2) GHB has a rather short half life and after about 4 hours of sleep a person will wake usually. My personal experience was that I awoke with a start, fully awake in seconds. The only way to get back to sleep is to take another dose and wait until it takes effect.
3) I donít believe long term studies have been done on the safety of daily usage of GHB.
4) Iím concerned that people who have trouble sleeping due to sleep apnea may endanger themselves by taking GHB. Remember GHB puts you in a sleep from which you canít be awoken. Could a person with sleep apnea suffocate while on GHB?
5) People with depression tend to be invigorated rather than sedated by GHB. For such people GHB wonít help with sleep.
6) GHB can be abused. I started using GHB in a single daily dose and ended up using it continuously throughout the day. Iíve read accounts of the same thing happening to others. I never had been addicted to drugs but I became dependent on GHB. Truly the most horrific time of my life was a hallucinatory episode I experienced while on GHB. This pushed me into quitting GHB--- but it was a truly grueling drug withdrawal. A tip to the wise, if you take GHB, never exceed the recommended dosage, never take more than two doses per day.

 

Re: Renewtrient - where do I get it???

Posted by Anon E. Mouse on November 3, 1999, at 20:32:07

In reply to Re: Renewtrient, posted by andrewb on November 1, 1999, at 10:29:50

You're kidding! This thing increases SWS? Would you feel fully rested after this 4 hour sleep period, or would you need more? I have been trying to find something that would increase SWS for a while now. Is it perscription or one of these shifty supplement things?

>GHB seems to help not only with the onset of sleep but also with the quality of sleep. According to a study done in the US with patients having fibromyalgia, GHB increases slow wave sleep and decreases the severity of alpha (wave) anomaly. This makes GHB very different from barbituates which tend to interfere with sleep quality.
> Does this mean GHB and Renewtrient should be taken for serious sleep problems? Whatever you decide, note the following cautions:
> 1) You canít be awoken when under GHB. If there is a fire or a child needs your help, forget it.
> 2) GHB has a rather short half life and after about 4 hours of sleep a person will wake usually. My personal experience was that I awoke with a start, fully awake in seconds. The only way to get back to sleep is to take another dose and wait until it takes effect.
> 3) I donít believe long term studies have been done on the safety of daily usage of GHB.
> 4) Iím concerned that people who have trouble sleeping due to sleep apnea may endanger themselves by taking GHB. Remember GHB puts you in a sleep from which you canít be awoken. Could a person with sleep apnea suffocate while on GHB?
> 5) People with depression tend to be invigorated rather than sedated by GHB. For such people GHB wonít help with sleep.
> 6) GHB can be abused. I started using GHB in a single daily dose and ended up using it continuously throughout the day. Iíve read accounts of the same thing happening to others. I never had been addicted to drugs but I became dependent on GHB. Truly the most horrific time of my life was a hallucinatory episode I experienced while on GHB. This pushed me into quitting GHB--- but it was a truly grueling drug withdrawal. A tip to the wise, if you take GHB, never exceed the recommended dosage, never take more than two doses per day.
>

 

confessions of a ghb junkie

Posted by george o on November 6, 1999, at 3:32:44

In reply to Re: Renewtrient - where do I get it???, posted by Anon E. Mouse on November 3, 1999, at 20:32:07

> You're kidding! This thing increases SWS? Would you feel fully rested after this 4 hour sleep period, or would you need more? I have been trying to find something that would increase SWS for a while now. Is it perscription or one of these shifty supplement things?
>
> >GHB seems to help not only with the onset of sleep but also with the quality of sleep. According to a study done in the US with patients having fibromyalgia, GHB increases slow wave sleep and decreases the severity of alpha (wave) anomaly. This makes GHB very different from barbituates which tend to interfere with sleep quality.
> > Does this mean GHB and Renewtrient should be taken for serious sleep problems? Whatever you decide, note the following cautions:
> > 1) You canít be awoken when under GHB. If there is a fire or a child needs your help, forget it.
> > 2) GHB has a rather short half life and after about 4 hours of sleep a person will wake usually. My personal experience was that I awoke with a start, fully awake in seconds. The only way to get back to sleep is to take another dose and wait until it takes effect.
> > 3) I donít believe long term studies have been done on the safety of daily usage of GHB.
> > 4) Iím concerned that people who have trouble sleeping due to sleep apnea may endanger themselves by taking GHB. Remember GHB puts you in a sleep from which you canít be awoken. Could a person with sleep apnea suffocate while on GHB?
> > 5) People with depression tend to be invigorated rather than sedated by GHB. For such people GHB wonít help with sleep.
> > 6) GHB can be abused. I started using GHB in a single daily dose and ended up using it continuously throughout the day. Iíve read accounts of the same thing happening to others. I never had been addicted to drugs but I became dependent on GHB. Truly the most horrific time of my life was a hallucinatory episode I experienced while on GHB. This pushed me into quitting GHB--- but it was a truly grueling drug withdrawal. A tip to the wise, if you take GHB, never exceed the recommended dosage, never take more than two doses per day.
> >

i tried ghb products because they were supposed to help my depression, they really didn't but i got into taking it because it helped pass the time (my doc was refusing to do anything for my depression) sometimes i take about 10 gm of ghb a day, i know i'm a wreck but at least it doesn't hurt your liver like alcohol. i'm slightly drunk rt now, ran out of ghb, oh well

 

Re: confessions of a ghb junkie

Posted by saint james on November 6, 1999, at 3:49:35

In reply to confessions of a ghb junkie, posted by george o on November 6, 1999, at 3:32:44

>
> i tried ghb products because they were supposed to help my depression, they really

James here.....

A depressant (GHB, drinking a lot) is never going to help depression get better. Are you seeing a pdoc or GP. Either way find another doc! No reason to pull an Edie Sedigwick.

j

 

Re: Renewtrient Ľ andrewb

Posted by SueInCincy on May 26, 2005, at 8:02:53

In reply to Re: Renewtrient, posted by andrewb on November 1, 1999, at 10:29:50

I have been taking GHB (Xyrem) for fibromyalgia about two months. 3 grams twice a night was prescribed. A pretty stiff dose, I understand.

I have taken antidepressants for over 20 years, and I would still say that I suffer from it, although it is reduced greatly by the meds.

When I started taking GHB (as a treatment for the sleep disorder that my doc thinks is present in all FM patients) I was directed to take it only while in bed, because the drug acted so quickly that I might not have time to brush my teeth before I passed out.

Weeeeeellllll, this just hasn't been my experience. I still have to take 1-2 mg of Lorazepam to actually GET to sleep, although I do think the GHB does improve the quality of my sleep.

I find your note that depressives don't fall asleep from GHB interesting. I had not heard or read that before. My own experience supports that, especially when I have wanted to take a nap in the daytime and taken the drug to sleep deeply. (These two or three experiments have failed dramatically -- I couldn't sleep at all.) What is your source of that info?

Another thing I have noticed is that while I think my FM is improving -- maybe -- it seems as though I have a lot more places in my body with arthritis-like symptoms. I haven't read about that as a side effect, but I would be interested to know more about that.

Cheers, Sue

 

Re: Renewtrient Ľ SueInCincy

Posted by Jakeman on May 27, 2005, at 20:35:58

In reply to Re: Renewtrient Ľ andrewb, posted by SueInCincy on May 26, 2005, at 8:02:53

I've read that Xyrem is the only medication that will get you in stage 3/4 deep sleep, which is apparently lacking with fibro patients and many insomniacs like myself. This stage (the way I understand it) provides the restorative sleep that the body needs to repair and refresh itself. But GHB has many other effects such as affecting dopamine levels. At least now there is some serious research going on. You mention arthritis-like symptoms...does Orphan list this as side effects for Xyrem?

best wishes, J


> I have been taking GHB (Xyrem) for fibromyalgia about two months. 3 grams twice a night was prescribed. A pretty stiff dose, I understand.
>
> I have taken antidepressants for over 20 years, and I would still say that I suffer from it, although it is reduced greatly by the meds.
>
> When I started taking GHB (as a treatment for the sleep disorder that my doc thinks is present in all FM patients) I was directed to take it only while in bed, because the drug acted so quickly that I might not have time to brush my teeth before I passed out.
>
> Weeeeeellllll, this just hasn't been my experience. I still have to take 1-2 mg of Lorazepam to actually GET to sleep, although I do think the GHB does improve the quality of my sleep.
>
> I find your note that depressives don't fall asleep from GHB interesting. I had not heard or read that before. My own experience supports that, especially when I have wanted to take a nap in the daytime and taken the drug to sleep deeply. (These two or three experiments have failed dramatically -- I couldn't sleep at all.) What is your source of that info?
>
> Another thing I have noticed is that while I think my FM is improving -- maybe -- it seems as though I have a lot more places in my body with arthritis-like symptoms. I haven't read about that as a side effect, but I would be interested to know more about that.
>
> Cheers, Sue

 

GHB / Xyrem Side effects Ľ Jakeman

Posted by SueInCincy on May 28, 2005, at 8:08:47

In reply to Re: Renewtrient Ľ SueInCincy, posted by Jakeman on May 27, 2005, at 20:35:58

Here are the side effects of Xyrem as posted on WebMD.com:

Headache 25%, nausea 21%, dizziness 17%, pain 16%, somnolence 13%, pharyngitis 11%, infection 10%, viral infection 10%, flu syndrome 9%, accidental injury 9%, diarrhea 8%, urinary incontinence 8%, vomiting 8%, rhinitis 8%, asthenia 8%, sinusitis 7%, nervousness 7%, back pain 7%, confusion 7%, sleepwalking 7%, depression 6%, dyspepsia 6%, abdominal pain 6%, abnormal dreams 6%, insomnia 5%.

Two deaths occurred in these clinical trials, both from drug overdoses. Both of these deaths resulted from ingestion of multiple drugs, including sodium oxybate in one patient.

In these clinical trials, 13% of patients discontinued because of adverse events.

The most frequent reasons for discontinuation (>1%) were nausea 2% and headache 1%.

> I've read that Xyrem is the only medication that will get you in stage 3/4 deep sleep, which is apparently lacking with fibro patients and many insomniacs like myself. This stage (the way I understand it) provides the restorative sleep that the body needs to repair and refresh itself. But GHB has many other effects such as affecting dopamine levels. At least now there is some serious research going on. You mention arthritis-like symptoms...does Orphan list this as side effects for Xyrem?
>
> best wishes, J
>
>
> > I have been taking GHB (Xyrem) for fibromyalgia about two months. 3 grams twice a night was prescribed. A pretty stiff dose, I understand.
> >
> > I have taken antidepressants for over 20 years, and I would still say that I suffer from it, although it is reduced greatly by the meds.
> >
> > When I started taking GHB (as a treatment for the sleep disorder that my doc thinks is present in all FM patients) I was directed to take it only while in bed, because the drug acted so quickly that I might not have time to brush my teeth before I passed out.
> >
> > Weeeeeellllll, this just hasn't been my experience. I still have to take 1-2 mg of Lorazepam to actually GET to sleep, although I do think the GHB does improve the quality of my sleep.
> >
> > I find your note that depressives don't fall asleep from GHB interesting. I had not heard or read that before. My own experience supports that, especially when I have wanted to take a nap in the daytime and taken the drug to sleep deeply. (These two or three experiments have failed dramatically -- I couldn't sleep at all.) What is your source of that info?
> >
> > Another thing I have noticed is that while I think my FM is improving -- maybe -- it seems as though I have a lot more places in my body with arthritis-like symptoms. I haven't read about that as a side effect, but I would be interested to know more about that.
> >
> > Cheers, Sue
>
>

 

Re: Renewtrient - where do I get it???

Posted by willyee on May 30, 2005, at 20:00:25

In reply to Re: Renewtrient - where do I get it???, posted by Anon E. Mouse on November 3, 1999, at 20:32:07

> You're kidding! This thing increases SWS? Would you feel fully rested after this 4 hour sleep period, or would you need more? I have been trying to find something that would increase SWS for a while now. Is it perscription or one of these shifty supplement things?
>

Renewtrient is a very old product,it was a way to get around GHB being illegal by using an analog gbl (renewtrient) caps which converted to ghb via the stomach.Once it was found out the product renewtrient was pulled,and finaly the analog itself gbl is illegal as much as ghb.

There were several others that followed all prodcuts to hide ghb and all lasted a while,until the big bust down where ghb,all analogs etc were truly done away with....and yess this was the same week oprhans ghb xyrem was introduced.


GHB was in trials for everything from sexual enahancment to depression to sleep.Sleep obviously made it,however if u look it up xyrem is allowed off label scription.


GHB will provide short sleep due to the dopamine rebound which is why redosing is required,but a person could notice a lot of other things as it has a list of things that happen such as increases protein synthesis etc,if your really intersted id advise getting a book on the substance itself and not the med,so u will get a broad defination of what it does.


GHB can either be used as saftly as a benzo or gaba med like neurotnion,or it can be abused ten times worse than a addict with access to valium or xanax,its a two way street,anyone strickly pro or con without admitting to the other side is a fanatic,either a pro fantatic like DR Dean ward who blows off all danger claims or a con fintactic like Trinka picket leading narc who would have anyone thrown in jail for saying the 3 letters if she could,it is simply a unique and powerful substance.


When legal it was sold everywhere i believe even in gnc,and u paid a couple of bucks for a tub of 50 grams or so,now you pay a few hundred bucks
Last ghb or any form of it other than xyrem is totaly illegal,any claims of products are hype and usualy a bunch of crap thrown togther and called renewtrient 2 or something.

GBL is avaialble only through very very illegal sources ones u best just avoid.Its very sad in my view as i used it for 2 years and benifited dearly from it.

And yess as a depressive i was not able to use it for sleep,never fell asleep on it,but i know those who do unless they took a irresponsable amount CAN be woken lol so if theres a burning baby try shaking the person awake like u would anyone,they will wake.

Sleep that u cant come out of refers to a recreational dose by someone not prepared for it and ESPECIALY INVOLING any additnioal sedative MOST OF COURSE the trueset date rape drug alcholol.

> >GHB seems to help not only with the onset of sleep but also with the quality of sleep. According to a study done in the US with patients having fibromyalgia, GHB increases slow wave sleep and decreases the severity of alpha (wave) anomaly. This makes GHB very different from barbituates which tend to interfere with sleep quality.
> > Does this mean GHB and Renewtrient should be taken for serious sleep problems? Whatever you decide, note the following cautions:
> > 1) You canít be awoken when under GHB. If there is a fire or a child needs your help, forget it.
> > 2) GHB has a rather short half life and after about 4 hours of sleep a person will wake usually. My personal experience was that I awoke with a start, fully awake in seconds. The only way to get back to sleep is to take another dose and wait until it takes effect.
> > 3) I donít believe long term studies have been done on the safety of daily usage of GHB.
> > 4) Iím concerned that people who have trouble sleeping due to sleep apnea may endanger themselves by taking GHB. Remember GHB puts you in a sleep from which you canít be awoken. Could a person with sleep apnea suffocate while on GHB?
> > 5) People with depression tend to be invigorated rather than sedated by GHB. For such people GHB wonít help with sleep.
> > 6) GHB can be abused. I started using GHB in a single daily dose and ended up using it continuously throughout the day. Iíve read accounts of the same thing happening to others. I never had been addicted to drugs but I became dependent on GHB. Truly the most horrific time of my life was a hallucinatory episode I experienced while on GHB. This pushed me into quitting GHB--- but it was a truly grueling drug withdrawal. A tip to the wise, if you take GHB, never exceed the recommended dosage, never take more than two doses per day.
> >
>
>

 

GHB is legal by prescription

Posted by SueInCincy on May 31, 2005, at 7:50:01

In reply to Re: Renewtrient - where do I get it???, posted by willyee on May 30, 2005, at 20:00:25

Xyrem is available by prescription. I am taking it, fully legally. I had to jump through several hoops, however. This drug HAS been tested for daily use, and as I understand it, the clinical trials were so successful for fibromyalgia that FDA allowed the discontinuation of the placebo part of the study for ethical reasons. This is not exactly my experience with the drug, but I do think it has been helpful.

1) You must do an overnight sleep study that documents your "alpha intrusion," which is, I suppose, a lack of Slow Wave Sleep. If you have any degree of sleep apnea, they will likely insist that you use an APAP machine successfully for a while before you get the Xyrem.

2) Your doctor must prescribe the drug.

3) You can only get the drug by mail order.

4) As for the side effects listed below, I have had occasion to need to get up when the dose was at it's maximum efficacy, and, while I felt like I was pretty intoxicated, I was NOT impossible to awaken.

> > You're kidding! This thing increases SWS? Would you feel fully rested after this 4 hour sleep period, or would you need more? I have been trying to find something that would increase SWS for a while now. Is it perscription or one of these shifty supplement things?
> >
>
> Renewtrient is a very old product,it was a way to get around GHB being illegal by using an analog gbl (renewtrient) caps which converted to ghb via the stomach.Once it was found out the product renewtrient was pulled,and finaly the analog itself gbl is illegal as much as ghb.
>
> There were several others that followed all prodcuts to hide ghb and all lasted a while,until the big bust down where ghb,all analogs etc were truly done away with....and yess this was the same week oprhans ghb xyrem was introduced.
>
>
> GHB was in trials for everything from sexual enahancment to depression to sleep.Sleep obviously made it,however if u look it up xyrem is allowed off label scription.
>
>
> GHB will provide short sleep due to the dopamine rebound which is why redosing is required,but a person could notice a lot of other things as it has a list of things that happen such as increases protein synthesis etc,if your really intersted id advise getting a book on the substance itself and not the med,so u will get a broad defination of what it does.
>
>
> GHB can either be used as saftly as a benzo or gaba med like neurotnion,or it can be abused ten times worse than a addict with access to valium or xanax,its a two way street,anyone strickly pro or con without admitting to the other side is a fanatic,either a pro fantatic like DR Dean ward who blows off all danger claims or a con fintactic like Trinka picket leading narc who would have anyone thrown in jail for saying the 3 letters if she could,it is simply a unique and powerful substance.
>
>
> When legal it was sold everywhere i believe even in gnc,and u paid a couple of bucks for a tub of 50 grams or so,now you pay a few hundred bucks
> Last ghb or any form of it other than xyrem is totaly illegal,any claims of products are hype and usualy a bunch of crap thrown togther and called renewtrient 2 or something.
>
> GBL is avaialble only through very very illegal sources ones u best just avoid.Its very sad in my view as i used it for 2 years and benifited dearly from it.
>
> And yess as a depressive i was not able to use it for sleep,never fell asleep on it,but i know those who do unless they took a irresponsable amount CAN be woken lol so if theres a burning baby try shaking the person awake like u would anyone,they will wake.
>
> Sleep that u cant come out of refers to a recreational dose by someone not prepared for it and ESPECIALY INVOLING any additnioal sedative MOST OF COURSE the trueset date rape drug alcholol.
>
>
>
> > >GHB seems to help not only with the onset of sleep but also with the quality of sleep. According to a study done in the US with patients having fibromyalgia, GHB increases slow wave sleep and decreases the severity of alpha (wave) anomaly. This makes GHB very different from barbituates which tend to interfere with sleep quality.
> > > Does this mean GHB and Renewtrient should be taken for serious sleep problems? Whatever you decide, note the following cautions:
> > > 1) You canít be awoken when under GHB. If there is a fire or a child needs your help, forget it.
> > > 2) GHB has a rather short half life and after about 4 hours of sleep a person will wake usually. My personal experience was that I awoke with a start, fully awake in seconds. The only way to get back to sleep is to take another dose and wait until it takes effect.
> > > 3) I donít believe long term studies have been done on the safety of daily usage of GHB.
> > > 4) Iím concerned that people who have trouble sleeping due to sleep apnea may endanger themselves by taking GHB. Remember GHB puts you in a sleep from which you canít be awoken. Could a person with sleep apnea suffocate while on GHB?
> > > 5) People with depression tend to be invigorated rather than sedated by GHB. For such people GHB wonít help with sleep.
> > > 6) GHB can be abused. I started using GHB in a single daily dose and ended up using it continuously throughout the day. Iíve read accounts of the same thing happening to others. I never had been addicted to drugs but I became dependent on GHB. Truly the most horrific time of my life was a hallucinatory episode I experienced while on GHB. This pushed me into quitting GHB--- but it was a truly grueling drug withdrawal. A tip to the wise, if you take GHB, never exceed the recommended dosage, never take more than two doses per day.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

Re: GHB is legal by prescription

Posted by willyee on June 1, 2005, at 15:59:40

In reply to GHB is legal by prescription, posted by SueInCincy on May 31, 2005, at 7:50:01

> Xyrem is available by prescription. I am taking it, fully legally. I had to jump through several hoops, however. This drug HAS been tested for daily use, and as I understand it, the clinical trials were so successful for fibromyalgia that FDA allowed the discontinuation of the placebo part of the study for ethical reasons. This is not exactly my experience with the drug, but I do think it has been helpful.
>
> 1) You must do an overnight sleep study that documents your "alpha intrusion," which is, I suppose, a lack of Slow Wave Sleep. If you have any degree of sleep apnea, they will likely insist that you use an APAP machine successfully for a while before you get the Xyrem.
>
> 2) Your doctor must prescribe the drug.
>
> 3) You can only get the drug by mail order.
>
> 4) As for the side effects listed below, I have had occasion to need to get up when the dose was at it's maximum efficacy, and, while I felt like I was pretty intoxicated, I was NOT impossible to awaken.


Good post,all dead accurate as far as xyrem goes.Like u said more likly someone not being able to be awoken has been playing with the drug in a recreational manner,meaning taking unmeasured doses,and adding any type of sedative.

Alone taken responsably,you will wake it actualy is easier to wake from than a benzo which is like a giant punch that knocked u out.


Just for fyi xyrem isnt the first,ghb was in europe a script drug called alcover for years,a prescription drug used for alcholol withdrwal,it also was a prescription drug called gamma-oh.

People who read and knew the drug well used it for many things,opposite to what xyrem requires,xyrem in doses of a droplet literaly was as effective to many as any benzo.Again a droplet which is much to small for any intoxicating effects still possesed the ability to mildy relax the body and did not have a mean rebound like higher doses.

I actualy cant imagine taking 3 grams or more WOW xyrem must be heavy heavy when first using.

Last its touted as a bad drug,its just powerful how u use it determin es if its a bad drug,it has no more toxcity than any other pharmiciutucal if not much less.....also lastly the person who first came across it and began work with it was Dr Henri Laborit the same man who worked on Thorazine,these two drugs were his lifes work..
>
>
>
> > > You're kidding! This thing increases SWS? Would you feel fully rested after this 4 hour sleep period, or would you need more? I have been trying to find something that would increase SWS for a while now. Is it perscription or one of these shifty supplement things?
> > >
> >
> > Renewtrient is a very old product,it was a way to get around GHB being illegal by using an analog gbl (renewtrient) caps which converted to ghb via the stomach.Once it was found out the product renewtrient was pulled,and finaly the analog itself gbl is illegal as much as ghb.
> >
> > There were several others that followed all prodcuts to hide ghb and all lasted a while,until the big bust down where ghb,all analogs etc were truly done away with....and yess this was the same week oprhans ghb xyrem was introduced.
> >
> >
> > GHB was in trials for everything from sexual enahancment to depression to sleep.Sleep obviously made it,however if u look it up xyrem is allowed off label scription.
> >
> >
> > GHB will provide short sleep due to the dopamine rebound which is why redosing is required,but a person could notice a lot of other things as it has a list of things that happen such as increases protein synthesis etc,if your really intersted id advise getting a book on the substance itself and not the med,so u will get a broad defination of what it does.
> >
> >
> > GHB can either be used as saftly as a benzo or gaba med like neurotnion,or it can be abused ten times worse than a addict with access to valium or xanax,its a two way street,anyone strickly pro or con without admitting to the other side is a fanatic,either a pro fantatic like DR Dean ward who blows off all danger claims or a con fintactic like Trinka picket leading narc who would have anyone thrown in jail for saying the 3 letters if she could,it is simply a unique and powerful substance.
> >
> >
> > When legal it was sold everywhere i believe even in gnc,and u paid a couple of bucks for a tub of 50 grams or so,now you pay a few hundred bucks
> > Last ghb or any form of it other than xyrem is totaly illegal,any claims of products are hype and usualy a bunch of crap thrown togther and called renewtrient 2 or something.
> >
> > GBL is avaialble only through very very illegal sources ones u best just avoid.Its very sad in my view as i used it for 2 years and benifited dearly from it.
> >
> > And yess as a depressive i was not able to use it for sleep,never fell asleep on it,but i know those who do unless they took a irresponsable amount CAN be woken lol so if theres a burning baby try shaking the person awake like u would anyone,they will wake.
> >
> > Sleep that u cant come out of refers to a recreational dose by someone not prepared for it and ESPECIALY INVOLING any additnioal sedative MOST OF COURSE the trueset date rape drug alcholol.
> >
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> > > >GHB seems to help not only with the onset of sleep but also with the quality of sleep. According to a study done in the US with patients having fibromyalgia, GHB increases slow wave sleep and decreases the severity of alpha (wave) anomaly. This makes GHB very different from barbituates which tend to interfere with sleep quality.
> > > > Does this mean GHB and Renewtrient should be taken for serious sleep problems? Whatever you decide, note the following cautions:
> > > > 1) You canít be awoken when under GHB. If there is a fire or a child needs your help, forget it.
> > > > 2) GHB has a rather short half life and after about 4 hours of sleep a person will wake usually. My personal experience was that I awoke with a start, fully awake in seconds. The only way to get back to sleep is to take another dose and wait until it takes effect.
> > > > 3) I donít believe long term studies have been done on the safety of daily usage of GHB.
> > > > 4) Iím concerned that people who have trouble sleeping due to sleep apnea may endanger themselves by taking GHB. Remember GHB puts you in a sleep from which you canít be awoken. Could a person with sleep apnea suffocate while on GHB?
> > > > 5) People with depression tend to be invigorated rather than sedated by GHB. For such people GHB wonít help with sleep.
> > > > 6) GHB can be abused. I started using GHB in a single daily dose and ended up using it continuously throughout the day. Iíve read accounts of the same thing happening to others. I never had been addicted to drugs but I became dependent on GHB. Truly the most horrific time of my life was a hallucinatory episode I experienced while on GHB. This pushed me into quitting GHB--- but it was a truly grueling drug withdrawal. A tip to the wise, if you take GHB, never exceed the recommended dosage, never take more than two doses per day.
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