Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 9187

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ADD & Depr.: 5-HTP + Piracetam + SJW + Serzone?

Posted by Roman on July 25, 1999, at 8:12:25

I have ADD and suffer from depression and anxiety.
(I am in intense psycho-therapy.) I am trying to avoid
strong medication as much as possible. I am wanting to
try the following combination, and need advice on
possible adverse side effects.

Here is the list: 5-HTP with St. Johns Wort for
depression, 800mg twice daily Piracetam plus Choline
for cognitive stimulation (works for ADD), Kava Kava
for anxiety, and 50-100mg Serzone twice daily for
added boost - eventually I want to stop taking the
Serzone.

I will also taking amino acid supplements such as
phenylalanine, tyrosine, glutamine, and omega-3 fatty
acids.

Anything I should be aware of?

 

Re: ADD & Depr.: 5-HTP + Piracetam + SJW + Serzone?

Posted by jamie on July 25, 1999, at 9:12:32

In reply to ADD & Depr.: 5-HTP + Piracetam + SJW + Serzone?, posted by Roman on July 25, 1999, at 8:12:25

Things I think to be aware of: First, serotonin syndrome. Be aware of the symptoms and be on the lookout. Second, things might get confusing? Which ingredient is causing which side effect? Which ones are working and which ones are useless? Which ones to tweak, and when? I just think it could get confusing. Since you prefer the alternative approach, could I suggest maybe starting with one ingredient and adding in a new one every two weeks or so? And in the end, if all else fails, go prescription? Sometimes what looks good on paper doesn't work. Chemistries and results are impossible to predict. I think adding in the ingredients one at a time will allow you to feel its benefits (or lack of) and side effects before clouding the picture with another one. Except for serotonin overload and possible confusion managing the ingredients, it does seem like a good cocktail in theory. Wish you well.

 

Re: ADD & Depr.: 5-HTP + Piracetam + SJW + Serzone?

Posted by andrewb on July 25, 1999, at 11:58:39

In reply to ADD & Depr.: 5-HTP + Piracetam + SJW + Serzone?, posted by Roman on July 25, 1999, at 8:12:25

> I have ADD and suffer from depression and anxiety.
> (I am in intense psycho-therapy.) I am trying to avoid
> strong medication as much as possible. I am wanting to
> try the following combination, and need advice on
> possible adverse side effects.
>
> Here is the list: 5-HTP with St. Johns Wort for
> depression, 800mg twice daily Piracetam plus Choline
> for cognitive stimulation (works for ADD), Kava Kava
> for anxiety, and 50-100mg Serzone twice daily for
> added boost - eventually I want to stop taking the
> Serzone.
>
> I will also taking amino acid supplements such as
> phenylalanine, tyrosine, glutamine, and omega-3 fatty
> acids.
>
> Anything I should be aware of?

> I have ADD and suffer from depression and anxiety.
> (I am in intense psycho-therapy.) I am trying to avoid
> strong medication as much as possible. I am wanting to
> try the following combination, and need advice on
> possible adverse side effects.
>
> Anything I should be aware of?

Yes, l-glutamine can cause nueronal death. I've read that a person should take no more than 2 grams a day. I wonder if that amount is not still too high. Antioxidants may protect against l-gluatamine toxicity. For more information do a Medline search.

You might might expect that l-glutamine, being a precursor to GABA, to have a calming, anxiolytic effect on the mind. Instead it has an excitatory effect, making a person feel like they have more mental energy and even feeling over-amped.

Back to your question, you also may find it problematic taking that many psycho-active substances. It will be hard keeping track of what is doing what to you. My personal experience is that it is hard keeping an even keel with that many different substances ebbing and flowing in the body. After a while I got tired of feeling like a yo-yo and a pill repository and decided to put all those supplements, smart drugs, and what-nots in a box. You want my box? I've found it more effective to concentrate on finding one or two med.s that really work and to take them in doses where the side effects are minimal.

As an aside, I think some people have the expectation that prescription anti-depressants must have a strong, kind of mind warping effect on a person, analogous to taking morphine for pain. Isn't a more reasonble standard for an antidepressant that it be able to make a person feel better as a whole and more like themselves rather than some biochemical pinball machine. My point is that there are anti-depressants out there that don't feel 'strong’. You may not feel like your taking a drug at all, all you feel is better. I am currently enjoying such a response to an antidepressant (amisulpride). I hope that my positive experience may persuade you to not be overly wary of prescription med.s and that if you do take them to not settle for anything less than great results.

 

Re: ADD & Depr.: 5-HTP + Piracetam + SJW + Serzone?

Posted by andrewb on July 25, 1999, at 13:40:47

In reply to ADD & Depr.: 5-HTP + Piracetam + SJW + Serzone?, posted by Roman on July 25, 1999, at 8:12:25


> Anything I should be aware of?

I should also mention that phenylalanine can also produce anxiety.

 

good points...

Posted by Roman on July 25, 1999, at 15:32:07

In reply to Re: ADD & Depr.: 5-HTP + Piracetam + SJW + Serzone?, posted by jamie on July 25, 1999, at 9:12:32

Thanks to both jamie and andrewb for some insight.
The point about difficulties in creating a cocktail
are very valid I guess. At the moment I am finding
that the doctors I am seeing dont have knowledge
in both mainstream and "natural" pharmaceuticals,
and I am feeling rather frustrated.

In your opinion, what "mainstream" drugs could you
recommend? My experience with Piracetam & Choline
alone has always been very good for concentration
and verbal capabilities (w.r.t. ADD), but I found
that it sometimes winds me up too much. Same goes
for previous experiments with 20mg Prozac, it made
me very happy, but on edge and a little too forthcoming.
Kava Kava did seem to help.

Serzone knocked me out in doses over 200mg per day.

What is problematic is that the depression exists
as a result of the ADD, diagnosed only now at age
27. As you can imagine, mood swings prevail in me,
depending on external stimuli and circumstances.
Because it takes me a while to get going, a stimulating
substance is definitely of importance. I used to
love Pircacetam&Choline for breakfast. An
anti-depressant is in order to keep me going between
my weekly therapy... until I am strong enough
to ween myself of it.

I was also considering mabe taking 10mg fluoxetine (Prozac)
with a small dose of Wellbutrin, and take
Kava Kava for the resulting anxiety. Apparently
in some cases the Wellbutrin "counteracts" some
of the sexual dysfunction side effects of fluoxetine.

By the way, the amino acids glutamine and
phenylalanine I am taking are part of a generic
"restores" (restores.com). L-tyrosine is separate.
restores has been labelled as a natural alternative
to ritalin.

I really wish I was capable of putting it in a box. ;)

Your further input is very welcome.

 

Re: good points...

Posted by andrewb on July 25, 1999, at 18:13:06

In reply to good points..., posted by Roman on July 25, 1999, at 15:32:07

>
> Your further input is very welcome.

> Thanks to both jamie and andrewb for some insight.
> The point about difficulties in creating a cocktail
> are very valid I guess. At the moment I am finding
> that the doctors I am seeing dont have knowledge
> in both mainstream and "natural" pharmaceuticals,
> and I am feeling rather frustrated.
>
> In your opinion, what "mainstream" drugs could you
> recommend? My experience with Piracetam & Choline
> alone has always been very good for concentration
> and verbal capabilities (w.r.t. ADD), but I found
> that it sometimes winds me up too much. Same goes
> for previous experiments with 20mg Prozac, it made
> me very happy, but on edge and a little too forthcoming.
> Kava Kava did seem to help.
>
> Serzone knocked me out in doses over 200mg per day.
>
> What is problematic is that the depression exists
> as a result of the ADD, diagnosed only now at age
> 27. As you can imagine, mood swings prevail in me,
> depending on external stimuli and circumstances.
> Because it takes me a while to get going, a stimulating
> substance is definitely of importance. I used to
> love Pircacetam&Choline for breakfast. An
> anti-depressant is in order to keep me going between
> my weekly therapy... until I am strong enough
> to ween myself of it.
>
> I was also considering mabe taking 10mg fluoxetine (Prozac)
> with a small dose of Wellbutrin, and take
> Kava Kava for the resulting anxiety. Apparently
> in some cases the Wellbutrin "counteracts" some
> of the sexual dysfunction side effects of fluoxetine.
>
> By the way, the amino acids glutamine and
> phenylalanine I am taking are part of a generic
> "restores" (restores.com). L-tyrosine is separate.
> restores has been labelled as a natural alternative
> to ritalin.
>
> I really wish I was capable of putting it in a box. ;)
>
> Your further input is very welcome.

Roman,

I don’t have any ideas concerning your ADD.
I have a friend though who had the hardest time clearing her head in the mourning until she started taking lecithin which, as you probably know, is high in choline. It's interesting what supplementation with that choline can do. Choline is a precursor for the nuerotransmitter acetylcholine. Acetylcholine is involved in memory and thought. If you benefit from choline you may also benefit from DMAE supplementation. DMAE (not the same as DMEA!) is a metabolic precursor to choline and is able to increase acetylcholine levels more than choline is.
Note though that choline,DMAE nor lecithin are recommmended for manic depressives becuase it can deepen depressive phases. Also, DMAE can be unpleasently stimulating. Perhaps the most effective way to increase acetylcholine levels though is through the use of agent like Huperzine-A that prevents the breakdown of acetylcholine. Huperzine-A is available in health food stores, relativley free of side effects and is generally used for memory problems such as alzheimers.
Good luck with your ADD and thank you for sharing your experiences.

 

Re: good points...

Posted by vms on July 25, 1999, at 22:35:59

In reply to Re: good points..., posted by andrewb on July 25, 1999, at 18:13:06

> > Roman, what is your experience with stimulants? As far as mainstream drugs, they are much milder than AD's and the like. And they have a mild AD effect. If you're the kind of person that metabolizes meds quickly, or hates rebounds, try a longer acting stim like Dexedrine Spansules. The other thing here is that if you don't like them, they are in and out of your system within a day.

Don't blame you about the Serzone. I felt like my head was stuffed with cotton candy on the stuff. Felt calmer, but friends said I was turning into a spacey idiot. Wellbutrin is sometimes used in both the stimulant and AD category for ADHD, but I've heard mixed things about it.

Have you ever thought about the Mood Stabilizers? Since there's a lot of commonality between ADHD and bipolar, it's a thought. I don't know you so I may be barking up the wrong tree, but I am seeing info that Lamactil is good for unipolar and bipolar. Then maybe you could add the St. John's wort or the like for added AD effect..

Anyway, just some thoughts.... I'm married to an adult ADHD/Mood disorder kinda guy, so I know how frustrating it is. (Expecially for someone who has problems with frustration tolerance!!)

Wish I knew more about the natural stuff. We are putting in a mix of tyrosine, lysine and OPC-3, based on an internist that does alternative medicine here. He also wants to try the Omega 3 angle. That would be good. I hate to see my husband on multiple meds, especially since we havent hit on the right combo either....


> > Your further input is very welcome.
>
> > Thanks to both jamie and andrewb for some insight.
> > The point about difficulties in creating a cocktail
> > are very valid I guess. At the moment I am finding
> > that the doctors I am seeing dont have knowledge
> > in both mainstream and "natural" pharmaceuticals,
> > and I am feeling rather frustrated.
> >
> > In your opinion, what "mainstream" drugs could you
> > recommend? My experience with Piracetam & Choline
> > alone has always been very good for concentration
> > and verbal capabilities (w.r.t. ADD), but I found
> > that it sometimes winds me up too much. Same goes
> > for previous experiments with 20mg Prozac, it made
> > me very happy, but on edge and a little too forthcoming.
> > Kava Kava did seem to help.
> >
> > Serzone knocked me out in doses over 200mg per day.
> >
> > What is problematic is that the depression exists
> > as a result of the ADD, diagnosed only now at age
> > 27. As you can imagine, mood swings prevail in me,
> > depending on external stimuli and circumstances.
> > Because it takes me a while to get going, a stimulating
> > substance is definitely of importance. I used to
> > love Pircacetam&Choline for breakfast. An
> > anti-depressant is in order to keep me going between
> > my weekly therapy... until I am strong enough
> > to ween myself of it.
> >
> > I was also considering mabe taking 10mg fluoxetine (Prozac)
> > with a small dose of Wellbutrin, and take
> > Kava Kava for the resulting anxiety. Apparently
> > in some cases the Wellbutrin "counteracts" some
> > of the sexual dysfunction side effects of fluoxetine.
> >
> > By the way, the amino acids glutamine and
> > phenylalanine I am taking are part of a generic
> > "restores" (restores.com). L-tyrosine is separate.
> > restores has been labelled as a natural alternative
> > to ritalin.
> >
> > I really wish I was capable of putting it in a box. ;)
> >
> > Your further input is very welcome.
>
> Roman,
>
> I don’t have any ideas concerning your ADD.
> I have a friend though who had the hardest time clearing her head in the mourning until she started taking lecithin which, as you probably know, is high in choline. It's interesting what supplementation with that choline can do. Choline is a precursor for the nuerotransmitter acetylcholine. Acetylcholine is involved in memory and thought. If you benefit from choline you may also benefit from DMAE supplementation. DMAE (not the same as DMEA!) is a metabolic precursor to choline and is able to increase acetylcholine levels more than choline is.
> Note though that choline,DMAE nor lecithin are recommmended for manic depressives becuase it can deepen depressive phases. Also, DMAE can be unpleasently stimulating. Perhaps the most effective way to increase acetylcholine levels though is through the use of agent like Huperzine-A that prevents the breakdown of acetylcholine. Huperzine-A is available in health food stores, relativley free of side effects and is generally used for memory problems such as alzheimers.
> Good luck with your ADD and thank you for sharing your experiences.

 

Re: ADD & Depr.: 5-HTP + Piracetam + SJW + Serzone?

Posted by Sean on July 26, 1999, at 12:57:29

In reply to ADD & Depr.: 5-HTP + Piracetam + SJW + Serzone?, posted by Roman on July 25, 1999, at 8:12:25

> I have ADD and suffer from depression and anxiety.
> (I am in intense psycho-therapy.) I am trying to avoid
> strong medication as much as possible. I am wanting to
> try the following combination, and need advice on
> possible adverse side effects.
>
> Here is the list: 5-HTP with St. Johns Wort for
> depression, 800mg twice daily Piracetam plus Choline
> for cognitive stimulation (works for ADD), Kava Kava
> for anxiety, and 50-100mg Serzone twice daily for
> added boost - eventually I want to stop taking the
> Serzone.
>
> I will also taking amino acid supplements such as
> phenylalanine, tyrosine, glutamine, and omega-3 fatty
> acids.
>
> Anything I should be aware of?


Roman -

Did you get a good response from Piracetam? I have
tried that nootropic on several ocassions in doses
up to 3gms/day and all I really got was a fuzzy
feeling head. Nothing remotely clarity producing
or stimulating.

What dosage did you find optimal?

 

Re: ADD & Depr.: 5-HTP + Piracetam + SJW + Serzone?

Posted by Matt on July 31, 1999, at 15:32:49

In reply to Re: ADD & Depr.: 5-HTP + Piracetam + SJW + Serzone?, posted by Sean on July 26, 1999, at 12:57:29

-11 in them morning too. They give you the necessary folic acid to make the 5-htp and SAM-e work. Go for it. Except maybe lose the serzone. I take 300mg's of 5 htp 3 times per day and 300 mg's of hypericum 3 times per day also. 5-htp is has the best effect if you take it on an empty stomach and is more potent that st johns. The st johns is good to take right after a meal. Staggering them like that has a great effect. 5 htp might slow down after a few month. When that happens switch to SAM-e for a month and then go back to the 5-htp. SAM-e is good to but it is way to expensive and might not be good if your bi-polar. I am on SAM-E AND ST johns now but will go back to 5-htp in a month. Take those herbal uptimes from

 

Re: 5-HTP + Piracetam + SJW + Serzone? (need info)

Posted by MsD on August 2, 1999, at 14:07:13

In reply to Re: ADD & Depr.: 5-HTP + Piracetam + SJW + Serzone?, posted by Matt on July 31, 1999, at 15:32:49

Hi Roman and all!
Like you, I'm desperately searching for help with ADD/Depression. My latest was a trial with Adderall which makes me feel like I've been shot with a tranquilizer dart. Which is pretty much how I feel without it too, well, not so much *drugged*, but mentally detached, physically fatigued, and unable to function so that sleep is the only escape from the daily frustration and resultant depression. So needless to say, the Adderall has not been an improvement. (heavy sigh) I have tried Prozac- had a BAD reaction to it, my whole body swelled up. Wellbutrin (which after the prozac incident, I didn't give a fair chance and it has been suggested again and is my next plan of attack), Effexor- did nothing. We only recently decided to approach my condition as ADD rather than just depression, and I pushed my doctor for a stimulant, as I feel the lethargy and mental fog play a HUGE role in my depressed state.
My question for you all is what are some of these things you speak of here, such as: Piracetam, Serzone, 5-htp, SAM-e etc... and where does one get them? The only one I'm familiar with here is St. Johns...

Thank you!

 

Re: where to get 5-htp and SAM-e and such.

Posted by Matt on August 2, 1999, at 15:47:05

In reply to Re: 5-HTP + Piracetam + SJW + Serzone? (need info), posted by MsD on August 2, 1999, at 14:07:13

> You can get 5-htp and SAM-e at any vitamin store like GNC. I would search for a discount vitamin store. So far I have found the best quality and cheapest prices to be at Wal-mart.

 

Good combination for ADD/depression...

Posted by Roman on August 7, 1999, at 4:44:30

In reply to Re: 5-HTP + Piracetam + SJW + Serzone? (need info), posted by MsD on August 2, 1999, at 14:07:13

Hi all,

First of all, a big thank you to andrewb (I think it was) for pointing out that perhaps it was the Choline and not just the Piracetam that helped my ADD. As you probably know, Choline taken with Piracetam has a synergistic effect of increasing the potency of each other. Anyway, I have been taking just Choline (650mg three time a day), and the result has been astounding. I think this confirms the research I have come across linking lack of acetylcholine (sic) and ADD.

So now I have put most things in that box. I am taking supplements of choline, glutamine, Omega-3 fatty Acids, and if necessary, a dose of 5HTP with St. Johns Wort if necessary. I feel normal, not drugged or any chemically induced happiness.

What is really important to ADD/Depression persons is good psychotherapy. ADDers need to work of a lot of frustration that has built up over the years. Make sure you therapist understands ADD, and the subsequent effects it has over the years on the behavioural and cognitive processes. Also, search the net for "50 ways of coping with ADD" - very good, even if sometimes superfluous info, usefull for anyone really.

Good luck.

MsD: feel free to email me at terraflux@hotmail.com if you need more specific information regarding supplements and dosing.

 

Re: Good combination for ADD/depression...

Posted by andrewb on August 7, 1999, at 10:26:58

In reply to Good combination for ADD/depression..., posted by Roman on August 7, 1999, at 4:44:30

Roman,

Glad your getting good results. I read recently that too much choline can make some people feel depressed. So you may want to watch out for this.

 

Re: Good combination for ADD/depression...

Posted by Ania on August 9, 1999, at 20:24:30

In reply to Re: Good combination for ADD/depression..., posted by andrewb on August 7, 1999, at 10:26:58

Hi Everyone,

I've been reading your postings with great interest.

I'm being treated for depression and not ADD, but I have similar side-effects with my meds as you do. I would like to change from synthetic meds to natural ones, or at least supplement with the alternatives.

My major side-effects are tiredness, sleepiness, physical fatigue, weight gain, and mental cloudiness.

I'm taking Effexor XR and was taking Prozac with it. I stopped Prozac yesterday and started 5-HTP, 50 mg twice daily as an AD and an appetite suppressant (but it makes me sleepy!).

I read somewhere that adding Ritalin to AD's can elevate the tiredness and weight gain.

Can anyone help me out?

Ania


 

Re: Good combination for ADD/depression...

Posted by MsD on August 12, 1999, at 13:28:08

In reply to Re: Good combination for ADD/depression..., posted by Ania on August 9, 1999, at 20:24:30

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I've been reading your postings with great interest.
>
> I'm being treated for depression and not ADD, but I have similar side-effects with my meds as you do. I would like to change from synthetic meds to natural ones, or at least supplement with the alternatives.
>
> My major side-effects are tiredness, sleepiness, physical fatigue, weight gain, and mental cloudiness.
>
> I'm taking Effexor XR and was taking Prozac with it. I stopped Prozac yesterday and started 5-HTP, 50 mg twice daily as an AD and an appetite suppressant (but it makes me sleepy!).
>
> I read somewhere that adding Ritalin to AD's can elevate the tiredness and weight gain.
>
> Can anyone help me out?
>
> Ania


Uh-oh... (I'm so confused)I was just about to get some 5-HTP...

I realize that the results of each of these meds varies individually, that's the understatement of the year, huh? (dammit, I want a magic pill!!) hehe but seriously, can I ask you all what (if anything) seems to be agreed by the majority here *not* to cause sleepiness/fatigue... this is what I am primarily fighting. If I can combat that I can at least stay awake long enough to figure out what else I need to do ;o)

MsD

 

Re: Good combination for ADD/depression...

Posted by Ania on August 12, 1999, at 14:34:28

In reply to Re: Good combination for ADD/depression..., posted by MsD on August 12, 1999, at 13:28:08

Hi MsD,

Thanks for responding.

I tried the 5-HTP, AND on the second day (no top of making me sleepy) it made me so sick to my syomach that I thought I was going to pass out. My head was spinning, I had cold sweats, and I looked greenish-yellow. I just wanted to die! It was awful! I haven't taken it since.
So much for that idea.... ;)

Ania

PS. I'm still going to try Ritalin (if I can convince my doctor). I'll let you know.

 

Re: Good combination for ADD/depression...

Posted by Roman on August 14, 1999, at 4:11:08

In reply to Re: Good combination for ADD/depression..., posted by MsD on August 12, 1999, at 13:28:08

Ania,

You might want to give Wellbutrin a shot... it's is apparently more energising antidepressant(works on dopamine reuptake), and helps with ADD too. There is loads of info on the net.

> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I've been reading your postings with great interest.
> >
> > I'm being treated for depression and not ADD, but I have similar side-effects with my meds as you do. I would like to change from synthetic meds to natural ones, or at least supplement with the alternatives.
> >
> > My major side-effects are tiredness, sleepiness, physical fatigue, weight gain, and mental cloudiness.
> >
> > I'm taking Effexor XR and was taking Prozac with it. I stopped Prozac yesterday and started 5-HTP, 50 mg twice daily as an AD and an appetite suppressant (but it makes me sleepy!).
> >
> > I read somewhere that adding Ritalin to AD's can elevate the tiredness and weight gain.
> >
> > Can anyone help me out?
> >
> > Ania
>
>

 

Re: Good combination for ADD/depression...

Posted by Paul on August 14, 1999, at 23:57:36

In reply to Re: Good combination for ADD/depression..., posted by Roman on August 14, 1999, at 4:11:08

> Ania,
>
> You might want to give Wellbutrin a shot... it's is apparently more energising antidepressant(works on dopamine reuptake), and helps with ADD too. There is loads of info on the net.
>
>
>
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > I've been reading your postings with great interest.
> > >
> > > I'm being treated for depression and not ADD, but I have similar side-effects with my meds as you do. I would like to change from synthetic meds to natural ones, or at least supplement with the alternatives.
> > >
> > > My major side-effects are tiredness, sleepiness, physical fatigue, weight gain, and mental cloudiness.
> > >
> > > I'm taking Effexor XR and was taking Prozac with it. I stopped Prozac yesterday and started 5-HTP, 50 mg twice daily as an AD and an appetite suppressant (but it makes me sleepy!).
> > >
> > > I read somewhere that adding Ritalin to AD's can elevate the tiredness and weight gain.
> > >
> > > Can anyone help me out?
> > >
> > > Ania
> >
> > Hi Ania et. al.,

This idea of prescription meds being "un-natural" or "synthetic" compared to what you get at GNC or WalMart scares the hell out of me. I learned first hand that most, if not all, of these "natural" substances can potentially be just as, or more dangerous than the so-called synthetic meds. Quality control, i.e. knowing what you're getting, is often a questionable proposition. This has simply been my experience, even though I continue to use some supplements. I've never heard of Ritalin inducing fatigue, except for perhaps when its effect wears off. I would think that the Ritalin/or Wellbutrin would both be good alternatives.

I guess I'm just suggesting that you treat these so-called "natural" supplements just as you would the "synthetics". They all have their side effects and can cancel out, or amplify levels/side effects of prescription meds. Thanks for all your info. I'm trying to not come across as an amateur psychopharmacolgist. Just trying to keep others from having the bad experiences I had by treating "naturals" too casually.

Good luck to all of you, and thanks again for your input.

 

Re: Good combination for ADD/depression...

Posted by yardena on August 17, 1999, at 16:59:10

In reply to Re: Good combination for ADD/depression..., posted by Roman on August 14, 1999, at 4:11:08

Ritalin has been an effective augmenter (limited, but it worked for a while, anyway) of my antidepressants. It is a bit of a pain to have to get an actual prescription once a month, as it cannot be refilled (controlled substance) and it was a real pain convincing the insurance company to cover it.

 

Re: ADD & Depr.: 5-HTP + Piracetam + SJW + Serzone?

Posted by yardena on August 17, 1999, at 17:00:41

In reply to ADD & Depr.: 5-HTP + Piracetam + SJW + Serzone?, posted by Roman on July 25, 1999, at 8:12:25

Can someone explain what 5HTP is? For that matter, can you explain what all of these things are? Thanks.

 

Re: Good combination for ADD/depression...

Posted by Bobby on August 20, 1999, at 3:37:59

In reply to Re: Good combination for ADD/depression..., posted by yardena on August 17, 1999, at 16:59:10

I have tried a lot of medicinr to control my depression. I have been severely deressed due to my obeisity and to the point that i would never talk about my weight. I have been taking some new medicine that has really made me feel better, Desoxyn Gradumet. Ever since I have taken my medicine I have lost 65 lbs. and have a new job and have time to clean my apartment all the time, quit smoking, work out, and spend time with my family. Also I have renewed my friendship with my former schoolmates because I can now face them and have something to actually talk about. Also I have became a very good speaker, I notice myself talking to a lot of people and making sense. I fell 10 years younger. I recommend talking to your doctor about this medicine. I have tried ALL the usual ADD medicine but never felt un-depressed. This has made a major improvement on my life. It has a few drawbacks.... I can't sleep. In it is 3:34 am right now and I feel like I can clean my apartment again.

 

Re: Good combination for ADD/depression...

Posted by MsD on August 25, 1999, at 17:32:26

In reply to Re: Good combination for ADD/depression..., posted by Bobby on August 20, 1999, at 3:37:59

Bobby, Your post has given me hope!! About the Desoxyn, can you give me any more info on it, dosage, side effects, how long you've been taking it etc? I would very much appreciate any info you can give. Anyone else have any experience with it? Please cross your fingers for me ;o)

MsD

> I have tried a lot of medicinr to control my depression. I have been severely deressed due to my obeisity and to the point that i would never talk about my weight. I have been taking some new medicine that has really made me feel better, Desoxyn Gradumet. Ever since I have taken my medicine I have lost 65 lbs. and have a new job and have time to clean my apartment all the time, quit smoking, work out, and spend time with my family. Also I have renewed my friendship with my former schoolmates because I can now face them and have something to actually talk about. Also I have became a very good speaker, I notice myself talking to a lot of people and making sense. I fell 10 years younger. I recommend talking to your doctor about this medicine. I have tried ALL the usual ADD medicine but never felt un-depressed. This has made a major improvement on my life. It has a few drawbacks.... I can't sleep. In it is 3:34 am right now and I feel like I can clean my apartment again.

 

Re: Good combination for ADD/depression...

Posted by kirsten on March 21, 2000, at 3:26:42

In reply to Re: Good combination for ADD/depression..., posted by MsD on August 25, 1999, at 17:32:26

> Bobby, Your post has given me hope!! About the Desoxyn, can you give me any more info on it, dosage, side effects, how long you've been taking it etc? I would very much appreciate any info you can give. Anyone else have any experience with it? Please cross your fingers for me ;o)
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> MsD
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> > I have tried a lot of medicinr to control my depression. I have been severely deressed due to my obeisity and to the point that i would never talk about my weight. I have been taking some new medicine that has really made me feel better, Desoxyn Gradumet. Ever since I have taken my medicine I have lost 65 lbs. and have a new job and have time to clean my apartment all the time, quit smoking, work out, and spend time with my family. Also I have renewed my friendship with my former schoolmates because I can now face them and have something to actually talk about. Also I have became a very good speaker, I notice myself talking to a lot of people and making sense. I fell 10 years younger. I recommend talking to your doctor about this medicine. I have tried ALL the usual ADD medicine but never felt un-depressed. This has made a major improvement on my life. It has a few drawbacks.... I can't sleep. In it is 3:34 am right now and I feel like I can clean my apartment again.

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• Do not take methamphetamine late in the day. A dose taken too late in the day can cause insomnia



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