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Posted by dj on August 16, 1999, at 5:44:51
http://www.undoingdepression.com/faq.html
Anyone read this book? Whether you have or not what do you think of O'Connor's thesis that depression and depressive habits are learned and thus can be unlearned?
Has anyone read the book and followed up with some of his suggestions and if so what has been your experience of doing so?
Posted by Janice on August 16, 1999, at 11:03:47
In reply to "Undoing Depression", posted by dj on August 16, 1999, at 5:44:51
> http://www.undoingdepression.com/faq.html
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> Anyone read this book? Whether you have or not what do you think of O'Connor's thesis that depression and depressive habits are learned and thus can be unlearned?
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> Has anyone read the book and followed up with some of his suggestions and if so what has been your experience of doing so?Sounds interesting. My father was manic depressive and suffered from PSTD. My mother has ADD; they called it something different in her day, and also suffered from 'nervous breakdowns'. Me, I inherited both manic depression and ADD. Sometimes I wonder about the environment I grew up in; (regardless of the labels of their disorders) my father was a very dramatic person and my mother was simply all over the place exactly at the same time. This all seemed normal to me. Sure, sometimes I wonder if I learned my behaviors, as well as inherited my disorders. Oh, how do you separate the two?
I'll look the book up in the library,
Janice
Posted by Alice on August 16, 1999, at 15:06:59
In reply to "Undoing Depression", posted by dj on August 16, 1999, at 5:44:51
> http://www.undoingdepression.com/faq.html
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> Anyone read this book? Whether you have or not what do you think of O'Connor's thesis that depression and depressive habits are learned and thus can be unlearned?
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> Has anyone read the book and followed up with some of his suggestions and if so what has been your experience of doing so?I have read this book. I was amazed that someone could write about so many or the things that I thought was a part of who I am, then realizing those things are my depression, well then who am I
? I could relate to 95%of what was in that book.
I haven't done what it says although I am working with my counselor on it. I learned a lot from my parents and my family life and I believe I taught myself a lot of the depressive behaviors as well.It did help me not to feel so ashamed of what I think and feel knowing that I am not the only person who does.
Alice
Posted by yardena on August 16, 1999, at 20:39:10
In reply to Re: "Undoing Depression", posted by Alice on August 16, 1999, at 15:06:59
By the way, another great book is William Styron's Darkness Visible, which is a memoir of his own experience with depression. I was just rereading it tonight, as I do when I am in the throes of a bad bout of this wretched illness, because reading it always lifts my spirits just a little.
Posted by Tom on August 24, 1999, at 21:58:55
In reply to Re: "Undoing Depression", posted by yardena on August 16, 1999, at 20:39:10
> By the way, another great book is William Styron's Darkness Visible, which is a memoir of his own experience with depression. I was just rereading it tonight, as I do when I am in the throes of a bad bout of this wretched illness, because reading it always lifts my spirits just a little.
I read this book also (Darkness Visible). I also saw Styron on an HBO special about depression. It was completely chilling. Anyway, he really rips current day psychiatry (i.e. careless use of benzo's, reliance on meds, etc.). This book is both a story of insanity and inspiration. I think I'll go pick it up and read it again!
Tom
Posted by yardena on August 28, 1999, at 20:52:16
In reply to Re: "Undoing Depression", posted by Tom on August 24, 1999, at 21:58:55
Another book I want to read is Prozac Diary, by Lauren Slater. I read her first book, Welcome to My Country, about her experiences as a psychology intern. Prozac Diary is out in hardcover, and soon in paper.
Posted by Nibor on July 15, 2000, at 23:23:19
In reply to Re: , posted by yardena on August 28, 1999, at 20:52:16
I work on the Undoing Depression website at http://www.undoingdepression.com. Come visit us. Did you know that Darkness Visible's author, William Styron, recommends Undoing Depression, and has written so on the cover.
> Another book I want to read is Prozac Diary, by Lauren Slater. I read her first book, Welcome to My Country, about her experiences as a psychology intern. Prozac Diary is out in hardcover, and soon in paper.
Posted by ksvt on July 16, 2000, at 11:01:15
In reply to Re: Undoing Depression, posted by Nibor on July 15, 2000, at 23:23:19
> I work on the Undoing Depression website at http://www.undoingdepression.com. Come visit us. Did you know that Darkness Visible's author, William Styron, recommends Undoing Depression, and has written so on the cover.
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> > Another book I want to read is Prozac Diary, by Lauren Slater. I read her first book, Welcome to My Country, about her experiences as a psychology intern. Prozac Diary is out in hardcover, and soon in paper.I read undoing depression last summer and I thought it was uncanny how much of myself I saw in the book. After that I started visiting the website occasionally - it's almost like I felt this level of concern about the author and wanted to check up on him periodically. Unfortunately, I think the website needs to be updated more frequently, because it can be a very reassuring place to go.
Posted by Nibor on July 16, 2000, at 12:54:51
In reply to Re: Undoing Depression, posted by ksvt on July 16, 2000, at 11:01:15
> I read undoing depression last summer and I thought it was uncanny how much of myself I saw in the book. After that I started visiting the website occasionally - it's almost like I felt this level of concern about the author and wanted to check up on him periodically. Unfortunately, I think the website needs to be updated more frequently, because it can be a very reassuring place to go.
THANK YOU for your kind words. We certainly agree that the site needs more frequent updating--and guess what? I am currently taking lessons in html for that very reason. It has been so expensive to have changes made by the "pros" and since our site doesn't have beeps and whistles and moving images, they don't want to take such a small job. But if I can get myself to learn some new tricks, we should be able to keep changes coming.
And speaking of OLD DOGS, here's a preview of one of the new pieces I'm going to get up next week. Currently the title is on page one, but it links to a previous story called The Edifice Complex (also interesting, but frequent visitors are probably tired of it).
Thanks again
Nibor (Backward Robin, which was taken)HOMELESS MAN AND DOG
The other day I saw a homeless man and his homeless dog asleep on the sidewalk just outside the subway station at Astor Place. It was 5:30 p.m., quite crowded, and everyone had to step carefully around them, but no one looked directly at them. I'm from out of town, but I visit New York regularly enough that I probably wouldn't have paid any attention either except for the dog. How can a dog sleep like that on a busy sidewalk? What's the attachment between the man and the dog? How long have they been together?
David Brooks' Bobos in Paradise is a marvelous book. It's an uncomfortable but hilarious skewer of contemporary Yuppie culture, of the people who make a fetish of latte and natural fibers, who view shopping as a means of self expression. One of his themes is the cooptation of oppressed cultures. We want to believe we can save the world by shopping, that we support indigenous people by venerating their handicrafts, artifacts, and foods. "We want our material things to be bridges that will allow us to effect positive social change." (p. 101) It's a way of rationalizing away our guilt about all the money the new economy seems bent on handing us.
The problem with Brooks is that irony is wasted on the shameless. Last night I saw a new commercial for Land Rover. It shows a young-middle-aged couple using their $65,000 SUV to rescue a dog lost on a busy highway on a rainy night. The screen fades to black with the single word "Courage" illuminated. See what buying the right car means?
The shops around the homeless man and dog on Astor Place are full of third world artifacts, places to buy things that make you feel like a good global citizen. So if we're so concerned about the oppressed, how come we all walk around the man and his dog?
Because we don't want to think difficult thoughts. It's a lot easier to assume that poverty in the third world is a result of oppression than to entertain the idea that there's oppression in America. We live in a meritocracy where it's still a sin to be poor. If you are poor in this economy, it must be your fault. Either that OR it's mental illness, and there's nothing we can do about that until the right pill comes along. So, since there's nothing we can do for the homeless man and his dog, we pretend they don't exist. Of course, if the dog would only run away from him, then we could use our Land Rover to rescue the pooch. Wouldn't we be proud of ourselves then!
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