Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 7745

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no inteded to insult anybody

Posted by jc on June 23, 1999, at 20:30:43

This posting was not intended to insult anybody. It was to say that you should try to give therapy or meds a chance. If anybody really wants to know my history, I would be perfectly happy to reply. As for the peron who said to "get off the site and never come back" you are going to meet a lot of people who do not have your same opinion. Is that how you are always going to deal with people? As to all of the people who told me that I made assumptions, they made an incredible lot of assumptions about me. I am not better. If I where better, I would not be in therapy or taking drugs.(1 drug). I am very sorry if you feel that I am
a bad person, but I did get you thinking enough to respond. I came to this site confused because I was afraid of the drug I was perscribed. After reading the postings, I was terrified. I decided to take the drug because the alterative was just too hard to live with.
All I really wanted to say was just give your therapist or psych doc a chance. Is that such a rude, with out manners, anti interpersonal thing to say?

 

Re: no inteded to insult anybody

Posted by mary on June 23, 1999, at 22:39:20

In reply to no inteded to insult anybody, posted by jc on June 23, 1999, at 20:30:43

One of the problems of email is that an idea often reads differently than it was thought (while being typed). The response I had to your posting was "why would you think(assume) we (or me) had not been following or cooperating with their(my) therapist?" I'm here because 20 years is an awful lot of time, money, medicine, pain, frustration, hatred of self, depths of despair, listening, talking, cooperating and experiencing little relief most of the time. this sight actually gives me hope as well as new ideas medicinally and thought-wise tp discuss with bothe my psychiaatrist and psychologist. Please understand that I am responding immediately without a break from reading your note. So, I still may have missed the pointn or not explained myself the way I would have liked. I have the utmost respect for whom I am talking with. Not every one is as lucky as you will find as you read through these thoughts. Good luck with your therapy. Stay well and achieve peace.
Mary

> This posting was not intended to insult anybody. It was to say that you should try to give therapy or meds a chance. If anybody really wants to know my history, I would be perfectly happy to reply. As for the peron who said to "get off the site and never come back" you are going to meet a lot of people who do not have your same opinion. Is that how you are always going to deal with people? As to all of the people who told me that I made assumptions, they made an incredible lot of assumptions about me. I am not better. If I where better, I would not be in therapy or taking drugs.(1 drug). I am very sorry if you feel that I am
> a bad person, but I did get you thinking enough to respond. I came to this site confused because I was afraid of the drug I was perscribed. After reading the postings, I was terrified. I decided to take the drug because the alterative was just too hard to live with.
> All I really wanted to say was just give your therapist or psych doc a chance. Is that such a rude, with out manners, anti interpersonal thing to say?

 

Re: no inteded to insult anybody

Posted by Elizabeth on June 24, 1999, at 0:18:04

In reply to no inteded to insult anybody, posted by jc on June 23, 1999, at 20:30:43

>This posting was not intended to insult anybody.

Obviously it failed then, because it did insult and offend a number of people.

>It was to say that you should try to give therapy or meds a chance.

If you believe that people here aren't trying therapy, meds, and in some cases ECT and other treatments, you haven't really been reading. I encourage you to develop some sympathy for those who have had less success than you think they should have.

>As for the peron who said to "get off the site and never come back" you are going to meet a lot of people who do not have your same opinion.

Actually I think a lot of people wouldn't mind if you left. You said you don't believe this is a very good support site; instead of making a post that offends the people here, why not just go look for another site? So I think it was a very good suggestion, although I would be just as happy if you'd improve your behavior and stay.

>Is that how you are always going to deal with people?

One could ask the same question of you.

>As to all of the people who told me that I made assumptions, they made an incredible lot of assumptions about me. I am not better. If I where better, I would not be in therapy or taking drugs.(1 drug).

You strongly implied it by saying that you got help and were "smart enough to stick with it." I don't think it's a stretch to believe that means you think you are better. You certainly act like you believe you are better (than everyone else).

(Also, "better" does not have to mean "completely well." I am doing much better than I have in the past (no longer depressed) but I still have some problems with anxiety and sleep continuity. I also know that because of the nature of recurrent depression and my sleep disorders, I most likely will not simply be able to stop taking medication without experiencing a relapse.)

>I am very sorry if you feel that I am a bad person, but I did get you thinking enough to respond.

I don't think you are a bad person. I think you are a person who has some things to learn.

>I came to this site confused because I was afraid of the drug I was perscribed. After reading the postings, I was terrified. I decided to take the drug because the alterative was just too hard to live with.

Ahh now we see that this is someone who hasn't really "stuck with it" yet, but has just started therapy with a first antidepressant. Okay, so you are new to this. If you stick around, I can guarantee you will learn some things.

I'm sorry you are scared of the discussion that goes on here. Some of it is quite frank; people feel comfortable revealing things about themselves. Instead of reading the posts and being terrified, perhaps you might have posted about your fear. I think you would have received support.

>All I really wanted to say was just give your therapist or psych doc a chance. Is that such a rude, with out manners, anti interpersonal thing to say?

When you are making the assumption that people here *don't* give their psychs a chance, that is extremely rude, yes. Most patients who post here have been seeing a psychiatrist and/or other therapist for some time. Most take medication as well; many have tried a number of different medications. When you say that this site is not supportive, you're telling the people here that *they* are not supportive enough; that is rude also. In fact, I have found this site very supportive whenever I have had a question or concern. When you tell them that they don't really intend on getting better, that is rude and presumptuous. You have no idea what the intentions of the people here are; you don't even know us.

Please do post about your background. I think that, as long as you don't persist in being insulting, people will try to give you a second chance and show you how supportive this site can be.

 

Re: misunderstanding?

Posted by Dr. Bob on June 24, 1999, at 5:39:14

In reply to no inteded to insult anybody, posted by jc on June 23, 1999, at 20:30:43

Hi, everyone,

> Babble is a very good name for this sight. I see very few positive postings. Most are from those who have no intention of getting better... Pretty sad. This is from somebody who needed help, was smart enough to get it and stick with it, and didn't want to bother the rest of the general population. This is not a very good support sight.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone reading this, especially if they were already down on themselves, would feel accused of not being positive, not intending to get better, not being smart enough, and being a bother.

> As for the peron who said to "get off the site and never come back"...

And that wasn't the most empathic response, either.

> As to all of the people who told me that I made assumptions, they made an incredible lot of assumptions about me.

I think that's true. I wonder if some of it had to do with this "positive" and "negative".

> I am not better. If I where better, I would not be in therapy or taking drugs.(1 drug)...
> I came to this site confused because I was afraid of the drug I was perscribed. After reading the postings, I was terrified.

Maybe "negative" was meant to refer to how much attention is paid to side-effects here. Maybe posts about success stories, or at least about "sticking with" medications despite their side-effects, would have been considered more "positive".

However, I think others took "negative" to refer to themselves, to imply that they weren't being supportive of others. Which of course isn't the case.

> All I really wanted to say was just give your therapist or psych doc a chance. Is that such a rude, with out manners, anti interpersonal thing to say?

I think there was a misunderstanding. I may be wrong, but I hope this can be put to rest and we can go on from here.

Bob

 

Re: no inteded to insult anybody

Posted by Ruth on June 24, 1999, at 7:33:33

In reply to Re: no inteded to insult anybody, posted by Elizabeth on June 24, 1999, at 0:18:04

>JC,

I have to say that I really agree with many of
Elizabeth's responses to you--but I would want to
add that I wouldn't want you to leave the site
unless you truly find it unrewarding. Personally,
I think you might be feeling a little defensive,
b/c you got a lot of negative responses to your
post. That's totally understandable, and I can
really relate. And probably we were feeling defensive too.
Maybe you can see, looking back, that your post was
written in a way that would cause people to react
defensively. From reading all the posts
this can boil down to misunderstanding. I think,
like Elizabeth said, you probably would have received
the support you needed if your post hadn't come off
as accusatory. I now know you didn't mean to be.
Nobody's perfect, and that's why we're here.
I can totally understand how reading certain people's
reactions/side effects of certain meds can be
scarey! It's been scarey to me sometimes too! I have
not taken certain medications b/c of the feedback
I've read about them on this site. I've also become
paranoid, at times, because of other people's side
effects to the drug I'm taking (like weight gain
for instance...) but I just try and take a deep breath
learn what's useful to me, and disregard what's not.
I try and stay focused on my own reaction to a medication,
and not get too caught up in everyone else's. I
can also see how maybe it might appear that people
are too involved in finding the right medication and
not trying to delve into deeper problems. I think
that might be (for myself anyway) that it's virtually
impossible to begin working on the deeper problems
unless the physical side of the depression is taken
care of first. So sometimes that's the first priority--
take care of the physical so you can then have the
mental clarity to move on to the spiritual. I also
think that medication is simply the focus of this
particular forum, and that there probably are other
forums that focus more on the spiritual/emotional
aspects of depression. Many people try one med.,
and it works, and then they can take their med, work
on their depression issues, and move on. For other
people, it's not that simple, and more of a struggle
to find the right med. It's very complex--sometimes
drugs lose their effect after years of being effective,
sometimes people on are multiple meds that may
conflict with each other...it CAN be frustrating,
precisely because folks want so desperately to be
feeling better, happier, moving on. Anyway...I'm
glad that you didn't intend on insulting
anybody, I hope this helps somewhat,
and I hope everything works out for you.
Smiles,
Ruth

 

Re: no inteded to insult anybody

Posted by jc on June 25, 1999, at 17:25:07

In reply to Re: no inteded to insult anybody, posted by mary on June 23, 1999, at 22:39:20

> One of the problems of email is that an idea often reads differently than it was thought (while being typed). The response I had to your posting was "why would you think(assume) we (or me) had not been following or cooperating with their(my) therapist?" I'm here because 20 years is an awful lot of time, money, medicine, pain, frustration, hatred of self, depths of despair, listening, talking, cooperating and experiencing little relief most of the time. this sight actually gives me hope as well as new ideas medicinally and thought-wise tp discuss with bothe my psychiaatrist and psychologist. Please understand that I am responding immediately without a break from reading your note. So, I still may have missed the pointn or not explained myself the way I would have liked. I have the utmost respect for whom I am talking with. Not every one is as lucky as you will find as you read through these thoughts. Good luck with your therapy. Stay well and achieve peace.
> Mary
>
> > This posting was not intended to insult anybody. It was to say that you should try to give therapy or meds a chance. If anybody really wants to know my history, I would be perfectly happy to reply. As for the peron who said to "get off the site and never come back" you are going to meet a lot of people who do not have your same opinion. Is that how you are always going to deal with people? As to all of the people who told me that I made assumptions, they made an incredible lot of assumptions about me. I am not better. If I where better, I would not be in therapy or taking drugs.(1 drug). I am very sorry if you feel that I am
> > a bad person, but I did get you thinking enough to respond. I came to this site confused because I was afraid of the drug I was perscribed. After reading the postings, I was terrified. I decided to take the drug because the alterative was just too hard to live with.
> > All I really wanted to say was just give your therapist or psych doc a chance. Is that such a rude, with out manners, anti interpersonal thing to say?

Thank you for the beautiful responce.

 

Re: no inteded to insult anybody

Posted by jc on June 25, 1999, at 17:26:05

In reply to Re: no inteded to insult anybody, posted by Ruth on June 24, 1999, at 7:33:33

> >JC,
>
> I have to say that I really agree with many of
> Elizabeth's responses to you--but I would want to
> add that I wouldn't want you to leave the site
> unless you truly find it unrewarding. Personally,
> I think you might be feeling a little defensive,
> b/c you got a lot of negative responses to your
> post. That's totally understandable, and I can
> really relate. And probably we were feeling defensive too.
> Maybe you can see, looking back, that your post was
> written in a way that would cause people to react
> defensively. From reading all the posts
> this can boil down to misunderstanding. I think,
> like Elizabeth said, you probably would have received
> the support you needed if your post hadn't come off
> as accusatory. I now know you didn't mean to be.
> Nobody's perfect, and that's why we're here.
> I can totally understand how reading certain people's
> reactions/side effects of certain meds can be
> scarey! It's been scarey to me sometimes too! I have
> not taken certain medications b/c of the feedback
> I've read about them on this site. I've also become
> paranoid, at times, because of other people's side
> effects to the drug I'm taking (like weight gain
> for instance...) but I just try and take a deep breath
> learn what's useful to me, and disregard what's not.
> I try and stay focused on my own reaction to a medication,
> and not get too caught up in everyone else's. I
> can also see how maybe it might appear that people
> are too involved in finding the right medication and
> not trying to delve into deeper problems. I think
> that might be (for myself anyway) that it's virtually
> impossible to begin working on the deeper problems
> unless the physical side of the depression is taken
> care of first. So sometimes that's the first priority--
> take care of the physical so you can then have the
> mental clarity to move on to the spiritual. I also
> think that medication is simply the focus of this
> particular forum, and that there probably are other
> forums that focus more on the spiritual/emotional
> aspects of depression. Many people try one med.,
> and it works, and then they can take their med, work
> on their depression issues, and move on. For other
> people, it's not that simple, and more of a struggle
> to find the right med. It's very complex--sometimes
> drugs lose their effect after years of being effective,
> sometimes people on are multiple meds that may
> conflict with each other...it CAN be frustrating,
> precisely because folks want so desperately to be
> feeling better, happier, moving on. Anyway...I'm
> glad that you didn't intend on insulting
> anybody, I hope this helps somewhat,
> and I hope everything works out for you.
> Smiles,
> Ruth

Thank you for such a beautiful responce.


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