Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 1046

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Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by didimartin on November 3, 1998, at 19:31:40

Am considering ect after trying many meds. Anyone out there who has had ect? Willing to share your experience? Would love to hear from you.

 

Re: Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by alan on November 4, 1998, at 11:40:47

In reply to Electroconvulsive therapy, posted by didimartin on November 3, 1998, at 19:31:40

> Am considering ect after trying many meds.
Anyone out there who has had ect? Willing to share
your experience? Would love to hear from you.

I had a long series of ect back in 73. My
experience was that there was no pain, or
discomfort, or loss of memory except for the time
of the ect. All in all, no big deal.
Unfortunately, it did not work for me. But sinceit
usually does work--better than anything else--and
is not at all unpleasant, as far as I could see,
it may be worth a try. Just forget all the stupid
and superstitious silliness; if it helps, look at
it this way: there is plenty of electricity in the
brain all the time, that is how neurons fire,

 

Re: Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by Kelli P. Harrington on January 8, 1999, at 13:06:37

In reply to Electroconvulsive therapy, posted by didimartin on November 3, 1998, at 19:31:40

> Am considering ect after trying many meds. Anyone out there who has had ect? Willing to share your experience? Would love to hear from you.

>Hi! I have had ect treatment for 2yrs and have recently finished with my maintainence treatments. I have BiPolar Disorder and have gone through consecutive manic episodes for the past 2yrs. i have taken every possible medication(s) and have finally found that Lithium works for me when I am not in a Manic phase. I had tried lithium before my 5 hospitalizations over the past 18 months. I take other medications with Lithium and have beencompletely stable for 7 months. However, my stability would not have been possible if my family and I had not made the decision to have ect. The treatments saved my life and gave me the ability to respond when response was completely unavailable. I was in a "coma" for 2 years and there was the possibility that I would have to be institutionalized on a permenant basis. I had to leave my teaching job for 6 months in order to get back on my feet. But, if it were not for the ect I would have never been able to come out of my manic and following depressive episodes. It was a tough and frightening decision for my parents, brother, grandmother, and most importantly myself. We all had these images in our heads that I was going to have permenant brain damage and that it was going to destroy my memory and cerebral functioning for the rest of my life- I think we ALL think that. We have images of Frankenstein and "One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest". All of those images are wrong. This is not the 1900s where doctors would drill holes in the heads of psychiatric patients in order to "release the deamons". We've come a long way and its a shame that ect receives such a bad wrap. However, that does not change the fear. At first I was not scared because i was so sick that I had no idea what was going on. But later, I was terrified- it was only natural. We all hated it- my mom, dad, grandmother, brother, and of course me. But, I now look back and see that if I had not gone through with it I would never live a normal life again. In total I have probably had about 50-60 treatments and they were all a struggle. You are first given a series of 6 in order to see your response and then it is followed up by maintainence treatments that can go on anywhere from 2 months to forever. The details are complicated and stressful but it's so worth it in the long run. You don't feel a thing physically because an Anasthesiologist administers muscle relaxers and medication to put you under. They say that the seizure the doctor induces lasts about 45secs.-1 min. They put you into a recovery room and you usually wake up 45mins- 1hr. later. You are completely monitored- heartrate, breathing, etc. You will have a headache and soar muscles when you wake-up but, I sure that doesn't surprise you. I'm sorry I have written so much, I just feel compelled to help out everybody and anybody who has to go through what I have gone through with this treatment and mental illness itself. You have to make the choice whether you want to be sick for the rest of your life or "suck it up" and go back to who you one were. I hope this was helpful and if you need anything don't hesitate to email me. My name is Kelli and I am a High School History teacher in New York City. I'm 24 years old and have had BiPolar Disorder for most of my life but have gone undiagnosed until 3 years ago. Everybody thought it was just "strange" behavior. Good Luck to you!

 

Re: Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by Nancy on January 8, 1999, at 16:00:44

In reply to Re: Electroconvulsive therapy, posted by Kelli P. Harrington on January 8, 1999, at 13:06:37

> > Am considering ect after trying many meds. Anyone out there who has had ect? Willing to share your experience? Would love to hear from you.
> >Hi! I have had ect treatment for 2yrs and have recently finished with my maintainence treatments. I have BiPolar Disorder and have gone through consecutive manic episodes for the past 2yrs. i have taken every possible medication(s) and have finally found that Lithium works for me when I am not in a Manic phase. I had tried lithium before my 5 hospitalizations over the past 18 months. I take other medications with Lithium and have beencompletely stable for 7 months. However, my stability would not have been possible if my family and I had not made the decision to have ect. The treatments saved my life and gave me the ability to respond when response was completely unavailable. I was in a "coma" for 2 years and there was the possibility that I would have to be institutionalized on a permenant basis. I had to leave my teaching job for 6 months in order to get back on my feet. But, if it were not for the ect I would have never been able to come out of my manic and following depressive episodes. It was a tough and frightening decision for my parents, brother, grandmother, and most importantly myself. We all had these images in our heads that I was going to have permenant brain damage and that it was going to destroy my memory and cerebral functioning for the rest of my life- I think we ALL think that. We have images of Frankenstein and "One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest". All of those images are wrong. This is not the 1900s where doctors would drill holes in the heads of psychiatric patients in order to "release the deamons". We've come a long way and its a shame that ect receives such a bad wrap. However, that does not change the fear. At first I was not scared because i was so sick that I had no idea what was going on. But later, I was terrified- it was only natural. We all hated it- my mom, dad, grandmother, brother, and of course me. But, I now look back and see that if I had not gone through with it I would never live a normal life again. In total I have probably had about 50-60 treatments and they were all a struggle. You are first given a series of 6 in order to see your response and then it is followed up by maintainence treatments that can go on anywhere from 2 months to forever. The details are complicated and stressful but it's so worth it in the long run. You don't feel a thing physically because an Anasthesiologist administers muscle relaxers and medication to put you under. They say that the seizure the doctor induces lasts about 45secs.-1 min. They put you into a recovery room and you usually wake up 45mins- 1hr. later. You are completely monitored- heartrate, breathing, etc. You will have a headache and soar muscles when you wake-up but, I sure that doesn't surprise you. I'm sorry I have written so much, I just feel compelled to help out everybody and anybody who has to go through what I have gone through with this treatment and mental illness itself. You have to make the choice whether you want to be sick for the rest of your life or "suck it up" and go back to who you one were. I hope this was helpful and if you need anything don't hesitate to email me. My name is Kelli and I am a High School History teacher in New York City. I'm 24 years old and have had BiPolar Disorder for most of my life but have gone undiagnosed until 3 years ago. Everybody thought it was just "strange" behavior. Good Luck to you!


Thanks tons Kelli! You make me feel more calm about having to use ECT as permanent maintenance therapy. So far, I've had only 3 treatments to see my reaction. It work very well improving my suicidal depression that I've struggled with for the last 15 months. Of course, I battled with intermittent psychotic manias. I've tried every drug available and one research drug to try controlling the mania. But, nothing works. Not even a little bit. My depressions are worse. ADs work only partially. My MD says I'm just one of those treatment resistive cases that rarely come along and rarely survive. That was real motivating let me tell you! But, my MD is recommending ECT as my sole bipolar treatment. Thanks again for sharing your story. It really has helped calm me down and encouraged me that this Bipolar hell will be manageable!
Best Wishes,
Feel free to Email me...
Nancy

 

Re: Electroconvulsive therapy/ Toby? Dr.Bob?

Posted by alan on January 9, 1999, at 2:49:55

In reply to Electroconvulsive therapy, posted by didimartin on November 3, 1998, at 19:31:40

I have often read that ECT is the fastest working and most effective treatment currently available for affective disorders. But it is used only after many other treatents have been tried and failed. To a layman, that sounds insane. I assume there must be a good reason for this. What is it? Thanks.

 

Re: Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 9, 1999, at 12:03:34

In reply to Re: Electroconvulsive therapy/ Toby? Dr.Bob?, posted by alan on January 9, 1999, at 2:49:55

> I have often read that ECT is the fastest working and most effective treatment currently available for affective disorders. But it is used only after many other treatents have been tried and failed. To a layman, that sounds insane. I assume there must be a good reason for this. What is it?

I think Kelli put it well:

>We all had these images in our heads that I was going to have permenant brain damage and that it was going to destroy my memory and cerebral functioning for the rest of my life- I think we ALL think that. We have images of Frankenstein and "One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest".

Bob

 

Re: Electroconvulsive therapy D. Bob

Posted by alan on January 12, 1999, at 9:12:46

In reply to Re: Electroconvulsive therapy, posted by Dr. Bob on January 9, 1999, at 12:03:34

> > I have often read that ECT is the fastest working and most effective treatment currently available for affective disorders. But it is used only after many other treatents have been tried and failed. To a layman, that sounds insane. I assume there must be a good reason for this. What is it?
> I think Kelli put it well:
> >We all had these images in our heads that I was going to have permenant brain damage and that it was going to destroy my memory and cerebral functioning for the rest of my life- I think we ALL think that. We have images of Frankenstein and "One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest".
> Bob

Is that all? While people suffer terribly, and some die due to suicide;while careers and marriages fall apart? If that is all, why don't Docs immediately suggest ECT before pulling out the prescription pad, and let the patient decide he does not want to be eleectrcuted even after being fully informed?

 

Re: Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by Kelli P. Harrington on January 12, 1999, at 13:00:36

In reply to Electroconvulsive therapy, posted by didimartin on November 3, 1998, at 19:31:40

> Am considering ect after trying many meds. Anyone out there who has had ect? Willing to share your experience? Would love to hear from you.
>> Hi Didi! I want to respond to your inquiry, however I have already posted a response on the 8th of January to Nancy. But, i do have much more to say about my experience with ect but do not know if you want more information then I have already given. If you do, I would like to hear from you. Even if you don't need more info. i would like to hear how you are coping with this process because it can help me learn and understand more about my own emotions and difficulties. Hope to hear from you!

Kelli: Fostic@aol.com

 

Re: Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 13, 1999, at 6:48:43

In reply to Re: Electroconvulsive therapy D. Bob, posted by alan on January 12, 1999, at 9:12:46

> > >We all had these images in our heads that I was going to have permenant brain damage and that it was going to destroy my memory and cerebral functioning for the rest of my life- I think we ALL think that. We have images of Frankenstein and "One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest".

> Is that all? While people suffer terribly, and some die due to suicide;while careers and marriages fall apart? If that is all, why don't Docs immediately suggest ECT before pulling out the prescription pad, and let the patient decide he does not want to be eleectrcuted even after being fully informed?

Some doctors are probably afraid of how their patients would react if they even brought up "electrocution". And some doctors probably have outdated ideas about ECT themselves. :-(

Bob

 

Re: Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by Wayne R. on February 8, 1999, at 5:35:20

In reply to Re: Electroconvulsive therapy, posted by Dr. Bob on January 13, 1999, at 6:48:43

I have been under treatment for depression for 30 years. I would respond well to most medications only to have them poop out in a short time. I was hospitalized 3 times and had 14 bi-lateral ECT treatments during one (1986). The memory loss for me was quite severe and the results short lived.

However, my life has recently changed. See my posting "Naltrexone for SSRI poop out" in February to see what worked for THIS patient... Wayne

 

Re: Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by barbara on February 9, 1999, at 13:29:59

In reply to Re: Electroconvulsive therapy, posted by Dr. Bob on January 13, 1999, at 6:48:43

above all, ect must be compassionately administered as the patient is generally already in a vulnerable state. i have had unremarkable treatments but also i have also had nurses laughing as i went under, doctors refusing to treat the side effects, no family members allowed to walk me back to the unit and listened as i was coming out of anesthesia to staff telling jokes about me from my records. these may all seem insignificant, but in a manic state they all serve to exacerbate the current mood and the confusion following treatment.

 

Re: Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by Susan Perry on February 9, 1999, at 18:38:25

In reply to Re: Electroconvulsive therapy, posted by barbara on February 9, 1999, at 13:29:59

> I have a dear friend who had over 20 ECT treatments for schizophrenia at Concord Repatriation Hospital in Sydney. She suffered terribly during those years with short term memory loss, her hair went completely grey/white and headaches.

After years of this treatment she is now seeing a counsellor, staying on her medication and is a much improved woman. She is about to commence her Honours year at University in Arts and Photography and has exhibited and sold her photographic work.

She is a success story perhaps due more to her stamina and survival skills than any credit to the ECT treatment.

Anyway I believed that applications of ECT at the level she received were illegal.

Susan P, student of pysch & criminology

 

Re: Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by alan on June 12, 1999, at 2:20:36

In reply to Re: Electroconvulsive therapy, posted by Susan Perry on February 9, 1999, at 18:38:25

> > I have a dear friend who had over 20 ECT treatments for schizophrenia at Concord Repatriation Hospital in Sydney. She suffered terribly during those years with short term memory loss, her hair went completely grey/white and headaches.
>
> After years of this treatment she is now seeing a counsellor, staying on her medication and is a much improved woman. She is about to commence her Honours year at University in Arts and Photography and has exhibited and sold her photographic work.
>
> She is a success story perhaps due more to her stamina and survival skills than any credit to the ECT treatment.
>
> Anyway I believed that applications of ECT at the level she received were illegal.
>
> Susan P, student of pysch & criminology


I had 20 ECT treatments 26 years ago, and my hair has also turned gray!
Seriously, I do not want people who might benefit from ECT to be afraid of it. As it is presently practiced, the risks are quite small, and the benefits are often dramatic and almost immediate. Personally, I had no ill effects from them. Actually, it was rather fun, insofar as I then had any capacity for fun: as I said once before on this forum, it provided much of the excitement and fun of surgery without the pain. (Anyone wanting a detailed play by play account of mmy recent prostate surgery may e-mail me privately.) Also, be careful when ascribing causality: we tend to assume that dramatic easily recalled events are the causes of events we are trying to explain, but this is a fallacy. ECT is dramatic and easily recalled due to the electric chair and Hollywood; it does tend to cause a loss of memory about events during the time of the treatments, and it can cause headaches. Gray hair?

 

Re: Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by nancy on June 13, 1999, at 16:26:26

In reply to Re: Electroconvulsive therapy, posted by alan on June 12, 1999, at 2:20:36

ECT is the only completely effective treatment for me. But, I don't have schizophrenia (or gray hair). I've heard a few ghost stories that sensationalize ECT. But, in the many scientific studies that I've read regarding the safety and effectiveness of ECT to relieve severe manic depression, the great success of ECT was mirrored in my own experiences.

I will continue to use ECT, until I am able to recieve a neural stem cell transplantation.

nancy


> > > I have a dear friend who had over 20 ECT treatments for schizophrenia at Concord Repatriation Hospital in Sydney. She suffered terribly during those years with short term memory loss, her hair went completely grey/white and headaches.
> >
> > After years of this treatment she is now seeing a counsellor, staying on her medication and is a much improved woman. She is about to commence her Honours year at University in Arts and Photography and has exhibited and sold her photographic work.
> >
> > She is a success story perhaps due more to her stamina and survival skills than any credit to the ECT treatment.
> >
> > Anyway I believed that applications of ECT at the level she received were illegal.
> >
> > Susan P, student of pysch & criminology
>
>
>
>
> I had 20 ECT treatments 26 years ago, and my hair has also turned gray!
> Seriously, I do not want people who might benefit from ECT to be afraid of it. As it is presently practiced, the risks are quite small, and the benefits are often dramatic and almost immediate. Personally, I had no ill effects from them. Actually, it was rather fun, insofar as I then had any capacity for fun: as I said once before on this forum, it provided much of the excitement and fun of surgery without the pain. (Anyone wanting a detailed play by play account of mmy recent prostate surgery may e-mail me privately.) Also, be careful when ascribing causality: we tend to assume that dramatic easily recalled events are the causes of events we are trying to explain, but this is a fallacy. ECT is dramatic and easily recalled due to the electric chair and Hollywood; it does tend to cause a loss of memory about events during the time of the treatments, and it can cause headaches. Gray hair?

 

Re: Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by Ruth Tanner on May 30, 2000, at 2:40:15

In reply to Electroconvulsive therapy, posted by didimartin on November 3, 1998, at 19:31:40

> Am considering ect after trying many meds. Anyone out there who has had ect? Willing to share your experience? Would love to hear from you.
Don't do it!! Please, have some sense! What is good about electricicy going through your brain man? All it does is screw up your neurons and the way they communicate...besides, 1 in 200 people die from this. My mother spent a year and a half recovering from hers, that nearly killed her!
DON'T DO IT!!!

 

Re: Electroconvulsive therapy - Ruth

Posted by SLS on June 2, 2000, at 15:38:21

In reply to Re: Electroconvulsive therapy, posted by Ruth Tanner on May 30, 2000, at 2:40:15

> > Am considering ect after trying many meds. Anyone out there who has had ect? Willing to share your experience? Would love to hear from you.

> Don't do it!! Please, have some sense! What is good about electricicy going through your brain man? All it does is screw up your neurons and the way they communicate...besides, 1 in 200 people die from this. My mother spent a year and a half recovering from hers, that nearly killed her!
> DON'T DO IT!!!

--------------------------------------


Dear Ruth,

I am profoundly sorry that your mother had such a horrific experience with ECT. I can understand your passionate warnings against it.

- How did ECT affect her, and what effects took a year and a half to disappear.

- What condition did she experience that brought her so close to death?

This is relevant information that will help develop a balanced view of ECT.

Any descriptions you can provide will be appreciated here.

Thanks.


- Scott

 

Re: Electroconvulsive therapy - Ruth » SLS

Posted by ginger C on September 19, 2003, at 16:13:17

In reply to Re: Electroconvulsive therapy - Ruth, posted by SLS on June 2, 2000, at 15:38:21

I underwent ECT a couple of years ago and I would do it again if the need arose.. I was nearly catatonic and had been trying medicine for two years when my doctor advised that we weren"t getting anywhere with them and that we needed to consider ECT. ECT saved my life.

 

Side Effects of Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by sarah1980 on September 20, 2003, at 3:12:31

In reply to Re: Electroconvulsive therapy - Ruth » SLS, posted by ginger C on September 19, 2003, at 16:13:17

I underwent about 10 sesssions of ECT at Stanford by very good doctors. It didn't help me at all. However, it did hurt me. After ECT I couldn't remember the names of the streets of my city, I couldn't remember people's names, I couldn't remember many people's faces, I couldn't remember much of the past few years, I forgot how to spell common words. They said it would all go away in 6 months. It has been 2 years now and I have relearned quite a bit but I still can't remember a lot of things in my life. It was embarassing having people come up to me that were my friends and not remembering events that we shared or sometimes even their names.
Also, I can't think as deeply as I used to. I feel asthough my IQ has dropped perhaps 15-25 points. It was high to begin with so no one is very sympathetic and in the past I had wished it was lower, but still when it was taken away without my consent I missed it terribly. I also felt afterward that I didn't know who I was, that I had lost much of my identity. I have also heard of this happening to many other people, though the doctors told me it was rare.
I understand that this treatment is effective for something like 90% of people that have tried everything else without relief. So I wouldn't suggest that it should never me undertaken as a treatment. However, I would undergo this treatment with great caution and as a last resort.

 

Re: Side Effects of Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by ginger C on September 20, 2003, at 8:37:01

In reply to Side Effects of Electroconvulsive therapy , posted by sarah1980 on September 20, 2003, at 3:12:31

Sarah I am so sorry that you have had so many complications from ECT. I have only had a few minor memory problems that have been relatively easy to adjust to. For instance I have a problem remembering things for short term unless I go over it repeatedly in my head. But I feel this is a small price to pay for the relief from depression I have gotten. My doctor is a very caring person and does not suggest ECT as a first course of treatment. She only uses it as a last resort and has helped me through the problems of memory loss and helped me find ways to deal effectively with it.

 

Re: Side Effects of Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by Sebastian on September 20, 2003, at 16:57:07

In reply to Side Effects of Electroconvulsive therapy , posted by sarah1980 on September 20, 2003, at 3:12:31

I fully understand the memorie problems. My memories are always comeing back, and I feel great that I remembered something. I was picked on for thought blocking, I realy couldn't think. I will say one thing my IQ got better, 6 years after the ECTs, better than ever befor in school befor the ECTs? I remember feeling sort of a rebirth after ECT once; I didn't know what simple things were when I woke up, like a radio or the sheets; I thought where am I everything looked new and foreign, I honistly felt like I was just born into a new world. Scary like you would not belive. I belive I could not even know how to move? More scary.

Seb

 

Re: Side Effects of Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by sarah1980 on September 21, 2003, at 3:47:08

In reply to Re: Side Effects of Electroconvulsive therapy , posted by Sebastian on September 20, 2003, at 16:57:07

Wow Sebastian that must have been an overwhelingly, distressing and unusual experience. How long did that last? Do you think that ECT played a substantial part in your intelligence being elevated? I can understand how not being depressed can allow better thinking but hav enother heard of such a think from ECT. I find that really fascinating. Did you feel like you were less intelligent at first after treatments and then it grew over time? That would give me something hopeful to think about. I do feel like it is improving somewhat but that the improvement has plateaued.

 

Re: Side Effects of Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by sarah1980 on September 21, 2003, at 3:57:12

In reply to Re: Side Effects of Electroconvulsive therapy , posted by ginger C on September 20, 2003, at 8:37:01

I'm glad to hear that you have had such a positive experience. :) It makes me feel at peace about the losses I have sustained because I believe the doctors did what looked best. It is additionally nice to hear a good experience because that reassures me that my problems with side effects can really pale in the face of the elevation in mental wellbeing. It is comforting to know there are some that have had the same experience but I would really hate to think about how I would feel about everything if it were common for the side effects to be as severe I experienced. I'd love to hear other people's accounts of ECT aswell... I haven't ever met anyone (that I know of) who has had the treatment.
What types of techniques does your doctor reccommended to help you with memory retention? How much would you say such techniques help?

 

Re: Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by sarah1980 on September 21, 2003, at 4:15:45

In reply to Re: Electroconvulsive therapy, posted by barbara on February 9, 1999, at 13:29:59

I don't think those types of things are insignificant at all. I have heard of women who are supposed to be under general anesthesia for a surgery yet for some reason could hear what was being said around her and had to sit there in a state of paralysis while the surgens talked about the patients breasts and they were traumatized by it...
It was a difficult experience for me socially when I was getting the treatments done. For the first time in my experience with medical professionals that I really felt like I wasn't listened to if I had any problems, I felt patronized and it was really depressing and frustrating... kinda like being kicked when I was down. The hospital stay sucked too because there was no one to talk to and only one little tv that wasn't in my room and it was really one of the most depressing few days of my life. I ended up just sleeping non stop to get through it.

 

Re: Side Effects of Electroconvulsive therapy

Posted by ginger C on September 21, 2003, at 8:53:49

In reply to Re: Side Effects of Electroconvulsive therapy , posted by sarah1980 on September 21, 2003, at 3:57:12

Sarah some of the techniques my doctor and I worked out were 1 repeat things over in my head until I could remember the instructions I had been given. Two, focus on the person who is giving you the information and try not to let what is going on around you get you distracted. Focus on the mouth of the person to whom you are taolking it helps to imprint the words in your head. Three, write the information down so you are sure to get it right. My husband is a Veterinarian and I work in the office and when he gives me dosages for medications so that I can make a label for the bottle I can't remember it by the time I get back up front where the labels are so we moved the labels to the place where we fill the prescriptions and that has helped a lot.

 

Re: Side Effects of Electroconvulsive therapy » sarah1980

Posted by Sebastian on September 22, 2003, at 12:20:21

In reply to Re: Side Effects of Electroconvulsive therapy , posted by sarah1980 on September 21, 2003, at 3:47:08

I don't think the ECTs made me smarter, just that they didn't make me stupider, later on; 6 years. I don't think I would have done as well in school closer to the ECTs, probably would have done worse.

Sebastian


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