Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 4495

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Tianeptine anybody?

Posted by George O. on April 6, 1999, at 20:26:58

I've ordered this novel tricyclic from overseas, it may be may last chance. I've read lots about it on medline but haven't heard from anyone who's actually been on it. Tricyclics were about the only thing that ever helped me, problem is that after a couple of years I get immune to them. I've been on EVERYTHING and not much has helped the last few years, some thihgs that seemed promising, like reboxetine, actually made me much more depressed, it just doesn't make sense. Since this med is so novel (it inhances seretonin reuptake) it may work where others have failed, who knows? George.

 

Re: Tianeptine anybody?

Posted by Nancy on April 8, 1999, at 22:08:44

In reply to Tianeptine anybody?, posted by George O. on April 6, 1999, at 20:26:58

Hey George. I hope this one REALLY WORKS for you. Let us all know what happens. I understand the misery of untreatable and severe depression.
My last ditch effort at just staying alive was to undergo ECT. Miracle of miracles...IT WORKED!!! I hope you find relief and good health.

Take care,
Nanc

> I've ordered this novel tricyclic from overseas, it may be may last chance. I've read lots about it on medline but haven't heard from anyone who's actually been on it. Tricyclics were about the only thing that ever helped me, problem is that after a couple of years I get immune to them. I've been on EVERYTHING and not much has helped the last few years, some thihgs that seemed promising, like reboxetine, actually made me much more depressed, it just doesn't make sense. Since this med is so novel (it inhances seretonin reuptake) it may work where others have failed, who knows? George.

 

Re: Tianeptine anybody?

Posted by Andrew on April 19, 1999, at 17:55:49

In reply to Tianeptine anybody?, posted by George O. on April 6, 1999, at 20:26:58

> I've ordered this novel tricyclic from overseas, it may be may last chance. I've read lots about it on medline but haven't heard from anyone who's actually been on it. Tricyclics were about the only thing that ever helped me, problem is that after a couple of years I get immune to them. I've been on EVERYTHING and not much has helped the last few years, some thihgs that seemed promising, like reboxetine, actually made me much more depressed, it just doesn't make sense. Since this med is so novel (it inhances seretonin reuptake) it may work where others have failed, who knows? George.

I've ordered Tianeptine from overseas also. I hope this medicine provides you some benefits but I also think you shouldn't consider this your 'last chance' since everything is the last chance until something else is found to try.
I started taking Tianeptine at a low dose 2 days ago and plan to work up to the reccomended dose slowly barring unpleasent (side)effects.
I'm confused on just how Tianeptine works. It increases seretonin reuptake, but does it only increase reuptake at specific seretonin receptor sites? I read somewhere that its real effectiveness actually lay in its ability to reduce cortisol levels. This is interesting since Pivagabine is a coritsol reducer and in early trials has been effective in treating dysthymia.
I also thought it was very interesting that Tianeptine is described as both an antidepressent and a stimulant and is effective for combinations of depression and anxiety. That would be great to feel more energetic yet less anxious.

 

Re: Tianeptine anybody?

Posted by JasonElam on April 23, 1999, at 4:41:39

In reply to Re: Tianeptine anybody?, posted by JasonElam on April 23, 1999, at 4:34:51

Hey, my name is Jason, that is obvious isn't it, I am very interested in Tianeptine, I have a doctor willing to perscribe it but I can not find a mail order company that sells the compound. One drug that has worked for me personally is Dilantin, more information about this drug can be found in the book a remarkable medicine has been overlooked by Jack Dreyfus.

 

Re: Tianeptine anybody?

Posted by Andrew on April 26, 1999, at 11:08:39

In reply to Re: Tianeptine anybody?, posted by JasonElam on April 23, 1999, at 4:41:39

> Hey, my name is Jason, that is obvious isn't it, I am very interested in Tianeptine, I have a doctor willing to perscribe it but I can not find a mail order company that sells the compound. One drug that has worked for me personally is Dilantin, more information about this drug can be found in the book a remarkable medicine has been overlooked by Jack Dreyfus.

Jason, Tianeptine can be pruchased through the mail from VHP at www.feral.org/vitality
They are reliable but I suspect they are by no means the cheapest source.

 

Dilantin - Jason

Posted by Elizabeth on April 27, 1999, at 1:15:43

In reply to Re: Tianeptine anybody?, posted by JasonElam on April 23, 1999, at 4:41:39

>One drug that has worked for me personally is Dilantin, more information about this drug can be found in the book a remarkable medicine has been overlooked by Jack Dreyfus.

Jason, I think I've heard of that book. Can I ask what symptoms the Dilantin helped you with?

 

Re: Started tianeptine, feeling hopefull

Posted by George O. on May 7, 1999, at 1:12:28

In reply to Dilantin - Jason, posted by Elizabeth on April 27, 1999, at 1:15:43

> >One drug that has worked for me personally is Dilantin, more information about this drug can be found in the book a remarkable medicine has been overlooked by Jack Dreyfus.
>
> Jason, I think I've heard of that book. Can I ask what symptoms the Dilantin helped you with?


I've only been on tianeptine a few days, but I have no big side effects and seem to be noticably stronger, could this be real? I don't know. The fact that this drug is so novel gives me reason to be hopefull, since every other approach has failed big-time. I shouldn't be making claims just yet, I recall that after one week on reboxetine I felt "cured" but by the end of the second week discovered myself unable to move, so who knows, we'll see what happens. I did finally find a first-hand account of the drugs effectiveness in one of the newsgroups, a woman in Europe found it to be effective for anxiety. She also found that she had more control over her appetite, boy would that be a plus! I've reordered since it takes the people in thailand a month to ship it and I had only ordered a month's supply, it would be a bitch to run out after finding out that it works. George

 

Re: Started tianeptine, feeling hopefull

Posted by GLENN on May 9, 1999, at 16:30:09

In reply to Re: Started tianeptine, feeling hopefull, posted by George O. on May 7, 1999, at 1:12:28

I THINK youve got most of the info, it works in two ways to enhance serotonin reuptake and to reset your cortisol axis, that is to reduce the excess production, i have some too, but having tested very positive for excess cortisol im just awaiting the results of a tumour screen
it appears to be very safe with few if any side effects so if im tumourless which im pretty sure i am ill give it a go
most ads have made me feel worse ie paxil and zoloft, i put the american names as im from the uk but guess your from the us
dont give up if it doesnt do the trick, ive still got dhea , pregnenolone etc on my list but this sounds a good bet, hope your doin ok
keep in touch, will give you my adress when ive worked it out. iget mine from poland but only 10 days supply at -once
by the way excess cortisol is my big interest at the moment it leads to all sorts of problems,and would you believe some have been cured of depression by an anti fungal-ketoconazole, its also anticortisollian
all the best
glenn

 

5 months on tianeptine

Posted by pandey_m on May 9, 1999, at 20:09:00

In reply to Re: Started tianeptine, feeling hopefull, posted by George O. on May 7, 1999, at 1:12:28

I have been taking tianeptine for 5 months now.
Seems to be a very promising AD, but ... [the rest of this is about the "but"] no one really knows how to decide dosage, ("37.5mg a day for everyone" is nonsense) and not much is known about drug interactions. Side effect profile is very good. I am giving my experiences interspersed with my specific medical situation
because in newsgroups etc people incl me often forget that people will react differently on the same medication, even with identical diagnoses.

0. I started 12.5mg 3 times a day before meals for one month. I now take 7.25mg (=1/2 tab) twice a day with better response. One of the things that makes tian. work is that it reduces cortisol. It makes sense to decide dosage based on your pre-tianeptine-therapy plasma cortsol level, but where would you get a doc who would do this, except in France - and it would take some finding there too.

1. Tianeptine interacts with benzodiazepines which reduce its efficiency drastically - personal experience confirmed by journal info (cant remember source).
ditto for Zopiclone - personal exper. + the information sheet that comes with zopiclone out here says its "pharmacokinetics are similar to that of the benzodiazepines".

Insomnia is one of the listed possible side effects of amineptine (again, official info fr the manufacturer Servier) - I have sleep problems anyway, so I don't know ... if you are lucky you wont get insomnia with tianeptine.

Earlier today my shrink suggested trying small-dose Phenergan (promethazine 10mg) for sleep.
Tonight I'll give it a try.

2. Combines well with Amineptine. It is nowhere documented, but I feel tian. is a good antimanic too. (I am cyclothymic [swing from hypomania to moderate depression]) and want to avoid zombifying effects of lithium and conventional ADs. I have been trying out various ADs over the last 6 years before deciding on mood stabilisers. Amineptine and Tianeptine are the most promising in my experience).

3. Perhaps some research is required to assess efficacy of tianeptine + dynamic psychotherapy. I get (with tian.) dreams of long forgotten (upto 30-year old) negative experiences - a sort of abreaction. (officially listed possible side-effect - nightmares - but my amineptine dreams though somewhat unpleasant are not nightmares.)

4. Works for me as excellent anti-panic medication
also, that does not interfere with cognitive functions - I can start writing a tricky 1000-line C program within 2 hours after a panic attack; with 1 tab (=12.5mg) tianeptine + 0.125mg alprazolam (xanax)- that is half a 0.25mg xanax tab.

For panic Ive got to take the xanax also because tian. causes this nervousness that is clearly distinguishable from anxiety. [0.125mg i titrated after various trials)

Before I know of tianep. - 8 months ago I had a major panic attack and my shrink gave clomipramine controlled it but I couldn't do anything for a month. (I am taking tianep. under his "supervision", not suggestion)

5. For the 1st month I tried the standard regimen - 3 tabs a day, with no other medication. The nervousness become a problem. Then I added benzos which I recently found was a mistake. (I was dependent on 10mg/day Ativan from 1986-1993 - people who didnt have had such huge benzo dependency problems may find that benzos dont interfere THAT much with their tian.)

(While on that topic, I smoke 40-50 hand-rolled cigarettes a day.)

6. Officially (from the info that comes with the tianeptine box out here - this should not but may differ from country to country) the manufacturers Servier currently say -"Theraputic indications - Endogenous, neurotic and reactive depression, anxiodepressive states with gastrointestinal contents in particular and anxiodepressive states in alcoholics during withdrawal." I like the coyness of this company! They do the reverse of hyping their products.

I find it good for the blues after snorting Ritalin also, which I occasionally do while developing software or playing bridge.

Amineptine [survector] has one problem - if you crush it real fine and snort, it becomes habit-forming rather fast. Tianep. could be an excellent treatment for that. (I went on that binge for 10 days, started 1 tab (100mg) escalated to 15 tabs, got worried and stopped cold turkey - plunge into depression - took 2 tabs tian. at a time, slept(!), took 2 more after 10 hours, and by next day I was fine! (I stayed off Amineptine [and Ritalin, dexedrine, methedrine and cocaine] for a month without problems.)

7. With me, it combines well (as an AD improving intellectual functions) with the following in moderation - ginkgo, piracetam. Also works well with cannabis (in moderation) for enhancing esthetic/sensual experiences.

8. By itself tianeptine is not habit-forming; it is not that sort of molecule.

Conclusions - very promising, even for bipolar depression, but not yet a panacea for depression.
Tianeptine+Amineptine+abreaction therapy needs researching into, imho.

I (38 years old, male, cyclothymic depression; two depersonalization episodes) have completed 13 months on amineptine (7 months), tianeptine (1 month) or a combination of the two(5 months; presently 12.5mg tian.+100mg amin./day) with no hypomanic episodes; no depressive episodes except those induced by psychotropic experiments; amin. brought back my chess and bridge playing ability which 4 years of SSRIs had taken away, tian. further improved those and depth of feeling - but tian.-induced nervousness forces me to take at least some amount of benzos - otherwise
tian. alone actually makes me less sociable.
Also neither amin. nor tian. address hyperfocusing
(which is sometimes confused with obsessional thoughts, but in fact is "micromania").

I find it good; unipolar depressives and non-smokers might find it even better (with the caveat at the beginning).

That's all.

 

Re: 5 months on tianeptine

Posted by andrew on May 10, 1999, at 15:36:54

In reply to 5 months on tianeptine, posted by pandey_m on May 9, 1999, at 20:09:00

Wow, you are abusing a lot of drugs. Don't you think this hurts your long term mental well being?

 

Re: 5 months on tianeptine

Posted by pandey_m on May 11, 1999, at 19:45:33

In reply to Re: 5 months on tianeptine, posted by andrew on May 10, 1999, at 15:36:54

> Wow, you are abusing a lot of drugs. Don't you think this hurts your long term mental well being?

Andrew,
tough one. I'll try to respond to the best of my ability. The summarised answer is at the end.

I went to an "elite" Engineering College in India at the age of 15 years 9 months. ["gifted student" - special permission to start college at that age - by the way I do not now believe intelligence is a valid concept - it is another way by the ruling class to diffuse class-consciousness]. That was 1977. I did not smoke tobacco, had an occasional beer, and did not take street-drugs or abuse prescription drugs. I started getting real bad symptoms just before completing higher secondary school. (the schooling you need to go to college - please translate to the corresponding concept in your country). Back then I thought they meant obsessional disorder. The next two years were hell. [It is only since the late 1980's that Textbooks have started distinguishing between obsessional thoughts on the one hand and pathological brooding or other forms of "micromania"]. Two psychiatrists just gave chlorpromazine, which made me much more miserable; one gave imipamine in homeopathic doses; and there was this Australian psychiatrist who was on the right track but advised me "not to take too much speed". He refused to believe that a campus person showing hypomania symptoms could be naturally ill rather than on speed.

Now please judge for yourself whether the following were abuse or "self-medication when doctors were not of help".

In 1979 I started marihuana with dramatic improvement.

In 1981 I started Methaqualone.
For my insomnia Methaqualone was the best thing I had. I had wonderful 8 hours sleep; woke up refreshed. In my first semester on marihuana+methaqualone (quaalude) i got straight A's while being involved in two intense emotional affairs.

I was stuck in my B.Tech thesis - only 5 days of the two semesters remained and I had done nothing. [I wasn't exactly stuck - I was busy understanding the world.] With the help of 5 friends and 200 dexedrine tabs (5mg each) I (we 5) completed the circuit design; wrote down the 70-page thesis and proofread it (there were no word-processors worth the name then; and no PCs); got
the formalities done and gave a one hour defense as required. I got a B in that.

As one might expect, the Indian State banned Methaqualone, dexedrine and methedrine in 1984.

Cannabis is "banned" here since 1989 but because of religious use by Hindu hermits the Indian State (otherwise trying to turn Fascist fast) is very lax about Cannabis.

Since the early '90s doctors have benn consistently diagnosing cyclothymia for me. Cyclothymia is a strange form of depression, the 40-year old debate whether it is essentially an attenuated form of bipolar depression of type 2(suggested classif. in the next DSM : Bipolar 2b) or a personality trait seems nowhere near coming to a conclusion. Anyway "Lithium is the drug of first choice when conventional antidepresant-based management has failed" (from a recent JAMA artricle on depression - you'll find it on the net) I choose to interpret "has failed" in the way I feel is best for me, my wife and my kid.

For someone in my state there is a tradeoff between the antidepressent effect of heavy nicotine consumption (due to MAO-b inhibition) and
the obvious risks involved. Aside : every European - East or West, I have met thinks that the mainstream U.S. society has been brainwashed into a fanatic, evangelical mistrust of tobacco.
[Like what happened with marihuana from the 70's onwards - any number of doctored studies; suppression of FDA-commisioned reports; draconian sentences - Tim Leary got 30 years for 5 gms of grass!] Tobacco is of course much more harmful - the rational course is : marihuana kiosks, and psychiatric prescription for tobacco.

There is a video on who [the petrochemicals giants] destroyed the marihuana industry in the U.S. - very favorably reviewed by the independent U.S. socialist magazine "Monthly Review" 2 or 3 years ago. Quote from that review : "The marihuana has no natural enemies except the U.S. Government."

So,
Summarised answer - I self-medicate, after referring to : journals giving both points of view, rather than only internet info.; usually under medical supervision though usually against medical advice. Cyclothymia therapy is still in the research stage - cyclothymia overlaps adult ADD, ODD, dyslexia and Asperger's syndrome. I am not sure that I would be better off without what you call abuse.

I consider crushing aminep. to fine dust and snorting, or smoking dope "occasional recreational use" - but I will concede that there are arguments for calling it "abuse".

Maybe I will go to hell but I'll do it - as the late Jim Morrison said - "stoned immaculate".

If someone thinks I am a Maoist anarchist pacifist feminist voltairist blakeist half-insane hippie, they would be right, I suppose. :) May be some day I will realise that what I am doing is "No way to treat the mind" [title of an article is one of the prestigious British (I think) scientific or medical journal whose name I can't recall - it is on my second hard disk and also on the net - the article elaborates on your point, particularly wrt "smart drugs"] and that you were right.

For the present I take note of your semi-rhetorical question - I store these "advices" (if you dont mind my interpreting it as "advice") in my mind - they are useful in that they "ring a bell - (what if he was right?)" and tend to make my recreational drug-use more infrequent.
My tobacco smoking is already down to 30-40 thin cigarettes a day (i roll them myself) from 80 marlboros in the 1980's; partly because of numerous such "advices".

Last point : 8 year old daughter is very emotionally attached to me; my wife, I and the kid go trekking to the himalayas with just rucksacks, sleeping bags and jogging shoes upto 17000 feet twice a year; and for the last 9 months I have been able to stick to this graded 11-min Royal Canadian Air Force 5BX physical fitness program which was popular in the 1970's; so I couldn't be that far gone.

LOL :)

 

Re: 5 months on tianeptine

Posted by andrew on May 13, 1999, at 13:33:57

In reply to Re: 5 months on tianeptine, posted by pandey_m on May 11, 1999, at 19:45:33

> > Wow, you are abusing a lot of drugs. Don't you think this hurts your long term mental well being?
>
> Andrew,
> tough one. I'll try to respond to the best of my ability. The summarised answer is at the end.
>
Pandey,
I am not a doctor but from what you have written it seems to me you have what is termed an addictive personality and abuse a variety of drugs as a consequence. I know you have reasons for thinking otherwise but these sound a lot like weak justifications! Self medicating with cigarettes for ‘the antidepressant effect of heavy nicotine consumption’???? You represent yourself here as either a person with an unusual mental condition in need of unconventional self medication or a ‘half-insane hippie’ into occasional recreational drug use. OK, but it is more to the point to say you have an addictive personality and it is your sickness talking, making elaborate justifications. Unless you recognize that you have a problem and are just as vulnerable to addictive tendencies and self abuse as the person using drugs on the street, you will not be able to find and stick to long term solutions to keep you on an even keel. Look I’ve had my fair share of drug abuse and used to smoke cigarettes. I’m so glad I put that behind me. It wasn’t until I was able to put some time and space between them that I was able to recognize how much they contributed to my mood and energy fluctuations.
I wish the best of health to you.


 

Re: 5 months on tianeptine

Posted by pandey_m on May 13, 1999, at 15:35:46

In reply to Re: 5 months on tianeptine, posted by andrew on May 13, 1999, at 13:33:57

> > > Wow, you are abusing a lot of drugs. Don't you think this hurts your long term mental well being?
> >
> > Andrew,
> > tough one. I'll try to respond to the best of my ability. The summarised answer is at the end.
> >
> Pandey,
> I am not a doctor but from what you have

Andrew,

Thank you for your sensitive post. When 13 months ago I started amineptine I and my wife agreed that the medium-term target was to stop all medication. I had forgotten this somewhere down the line; thank you for reminding me.

I 'know' that I have an addictive personality; I cannot help knowing it because it is in all my psychological reports (worded like "scored significantly higher than average on dependency" - which includes emotional dependency and addictive personality. Aside - I sometimes tend to think of psychotropic molecules as people I am emotionally involved with - Mary Jane and Rita Lynn et al.) Of course that sort of 'knowing' is again fooling myself -"I know, so I am safe". I often also feel that "unlike so many of my friends who either went on to shooting heroin and died or screwed up their mind and body with crack and stuff, I am still in reasonable physical health and can manage fairly challenging mental work, so I must be tougher". I have this feeling today that I might be totally wrong.

Tianeptine (Stablon) is however a very safe and fairly promising molecule, with no abuse potential. My first post to this thread was a response to a request for description of personal experience with Tianeptine. In that post I did just that, the other things came in because I don't see the point of describing some "platonic Tianeptine not connected with anything else". I request other readers to remember this. (My second post, however, was a polemic with Andrew.)

Look, there are studies which say that the main benefit of Tianeptine is long-term - you've got to try it for at least a year - it is supposed to give you some mood stability without the problems
with mood-stabilizers.

I'll try to stay off the hashish and the piracetam, the Ritalin, phenytoin and the propranolol (all of which my pdoc strongly disapproves of anyway - he said I have a brittle personality and might have frank psychotic episodes or real deep depression if I am not careful). The doc is comfortable with Tianeptine and Amineptine so I'll continue that (and try not to snort Amineptine - I haven't told the doc about that. [But he might have read that post by now!])

Thank you again. I keep losing my way half-way through projects unless they are software development projects.

PS - On Sunday I am off to the Himalaya mountains ,and off the internet, for a month. Regards.


 

Success story

Posted by George O. on May 15, 1999, at 7:31:57

In reply to Re: 5 months on tianeptine, posted by pandey_m on May 13, 1999, at 15:35:46

> > > > Wow, you are abusing a lot of drugs. Don't you think this hurts your long term mental well being?
> > >
> > > Andrew,
> > > tough one. I'll try to respond to the best of my ability. The summarised answer is at the end.
> > >
> > Pandey,
> > I am not a doctor but from what you have
>
> Andrew,
>
> Thank you for your sensitive post. When 13 months ago I started amineptine I and my wife agreed that the medium-term target was to stop all medication. I had forgotten this somewhere down the line; thank you for reminding me.
>
> I 'know' that I have an addictive personality; I cannot help knowing it because it is in all my psychological reports (worded like "scored significantly higher than average on dependency" - which includes emotional dependency and addictive personality. Aside - I sometimes tend to think of psychotropic molecules as people I am emotionally involved with - Mary Jane and Rita Lynn et al.) Of course that sort of 'knowing' is again fooling myself -"I know, so I am safe". I often also feel that "unlike so many of my friends who either went on to shooting heroin and died or screwed up their mind and body with crack and stuff, I am still in reasonable physical health and can manage fairly challenging mental work, so I must be tougher". I have this feeling today that I might be totally wrong.
>
> Tianeptine (Stablon) is however a very safe and fairly promising molecule, with no abuse potential. My first post to this thread was a response to a request for description of personal experience with Tianeptine. In that post I did just that, the other things came in because I don't see the point of describing some "platonic Tianeptine not connected with anything else". I request other readers to remember this. (My second post, however, was a polemic with Andrew.)
>
> Look, there are studies which say that the main benefit of Tianeptine is long-term - you've got to try it for at least a year - it is supposed to give you some mood stability without the problems
> with mood-stabilizers.
>
> I'll try to stay off the hashish and the piracetam, the Ritalin, phenytoin and the propranolol (all of which my pdoc strongly disapproves of anyway - he said I have a brittle personality and might have frank psychotic episodes or real deep depression if I am not careful). The doc is comfortable with Tianeptine and Amineptine so I'll continue that (and try not to snort Amineptine - I haven't told the doc about that. [But he might have read that post by now!])
>
> Thank you again. I keep losing my way half-way through projects unless they are software development projects.
>
> PS - On Sunday I am off to the Himalaya mountains ,and off the internet, for a month. Regards.


George here: After two weeks on tianeptine I feel soooo much better, really. It made me feel better right away, also made me drowsey for a while but that seems to be passing, except for the fact that I feel real hung over in the morning. I don't have what I consider a normal leval of motivation yet, but that takes awhile when one has spent a year or two in bed. What I can say is that I have not felt bad in days, I'm bipolar but my upswings are rare and very short normally. I do recall that when I had a strong upswing last week I didn't feel the usuall confusion, in fact I was able to fix my favorite guitar amp which had a very wierd malfunction and had baffled me for well over a year. It really is a hassle ordering from thailand and wondering if it's ever going to come , but thats another long story. George

 

Re: Success story

Posted by glenn on May 15, 1999, at 14:24:23

In reply to Success story, posted by George O. on May 15, 1999, at 7:31:57

Rita Lynn et al.) Of course that sort of 'knowing' is again fooling myself -"I know, so I am safe". I often also feel that "unlike so many of my friends who either went on to shooting heroin and died or screwed up their mind and body with crack and stuff, I am still in reasonable physical health and can m
> > Tianeptine (Stablon) is however a very safe and fairly promising molecule, with no abuse potential. My first post to this thread was a response to a request for description of personal experience with Tianeptine. In that post I did just that, the other things came in because I don't see the point of describing some "platonic Tianeptine not connected with anything else". I request other readers to remember this. (My second post, however, was a polemic with Andrew.)
> >
> > Look, there are studies which say that the main benefit of Tianeptine is long-term - you've got to try it for at least a year - it is supposed to give you some mood stability without the problems
> > with mood-stabilizers.
> >
> > I'll try to stay off the hashish and the piracetam, the Ritalin, phenytoin and the propranolol (all of which my pdoc strongly disapproves of anyway - he said I have a brittle personality and might have frank psychotic episodes or real deep depression if I am not careful). The doc is comfortable with Tianeptine and Amineptine so I'll continue that (and try not to snort Amineptine - I haven't told the doc about that. [But he might have read that post by now!])
> >
> > Thank you again. I keep losing my way half-way through projects unless they are software development projects.
> >
> > PS - On Sunday I am off to the Himalaya mountains ,and off the internet, for a month. Regards.
>
>
> George here: After two weeks on tianeptine I feel soooo much better, really. It made me feel better right away, also made me drowsey for a while but that seems to be passing, except for the fact that I feel real hung over in the morning. I don't have what I consider a normal leval of motivation yet, but that takes awhile when one has spent a year or two in bed. What I can say is that I have not felt bad in days, I'm bipolar but my upswings are rare and very short normally. I do recall that when I had a strong upswing last week I didn't feel the usuall confusion, in fact I was able to fix my favorite guitar amp which had a very wierd malfunction and had baffled me for well over a year. It really is a hassle ordering from thailand and wondering if it's ever going to come , but thats another long story. George
i am really pleased for you george, from my chat with a french shrink he says it tends to work after between 5 and fifteen days and " it very tolerable" he says, very few side effects aprt from some wierd dreams in about 20% of people,
there is also amineptine and milnacipram two other french drugs unknown in the us and uk, but if tianeptine works what the heck
i hope you get some more soon im getting my friend to bring meback few months worth before i start as long as my tumour test proves negative which i think it will
let us know how yare getting on and maybe ill be reporting some suceess too soon, heck of a pig waiting for the right medication isnt it
all the best
glenn

 

Re: Success story

Posted by Michael S. on December 8, 2000, at 13:53:54

In reply to Success story, posted by George O. on May 15, 1999, at 7:31:57

> > > > > Wow, you are abusing a lot of drugs. Don't you think this hurts your long term mental well being?
> > > >
> > > > Andrew,
> > > > tough one. I'll try to respond to the best of my ability. The summarised answer is at the end.
> > > >
> > > Pandey,
> > > I am not a doctor but from what you have
> >
> > Andrew,
> >
> > Thank you for your sensitive post. When 13 months ago I started amineptine I and my wife agreed that the medium-term target was to stop all medication. I had forgotten this somewhere down the line; thank you for reminding me.
> >
> > I 'know' that I have an addictive personality; I cannot help knowing it because it is in all my psychological reports (worded like "scored significantly higher than average on dependency" - which includes emotional dependency and addictive personality. Aside - I sometimes tend to think of psychotropic molecules as people I am emotionally involved with - Mary Jane and Rita Lynn et al.) Of course that sort of 'knowing' is again fooling myself -"I know, so I am safe". I often also feel that "unlike so many of my friends who either went on to shooting heroin and died or screwed up their mind and body with crack and stuff, I am still in reasonable physical health and can manage fairly challenging mental work, so I must be tougher". I have this feeling today that I might be totally wrong.
> >
> > Tianeptine (Stablon) is however a very safe and fairly promising molecule, with no abuse potential. My first post to this thread was a response to a request for description of personal experience with Tianeptine. In that post I did just that, the other things came in because I don't see the point of describing some "platonic Tianeptine not connected with anything else". I request other readers to remember this. (My second post, however, was a polemic with Andrew.)
> >
> > Look, there are studies which say that the main benefit of Tianeptine is long-term - you've got to try it for at least a year - it is supposed to give you some mood stability without the problems
> > with mood-stabilizers.
> >
> > I'll try to stay off the hashish and the piracetam, the Ritalin, phenytoin and the propranolol (all of which my pdoc strongly disapproves of anyway - he said I have a brittle personality and might have frank psychotic episodes or real deep depression if I am not careful). The doc is comfortable with Tianeptine and Amineptine so I'll continue that (and try not to snort Amineptine - I haven't told the doc about that. [But he might have read that post by now!])
> >
> > Thank you again. I keep losing my way half-way through projects unless they are software development projects.
> >
> > PS - On Sunday I am off to the Himalaya mountains ,and off the internet, for a month. Regards.
>
>
> George here: After two weeks on tianeptine I feel soooo much better, really. It made me feel better right away, also made me drowsey for a while but that seems to be passing, except for the fact that I feel real hung over in the morning. I don't have what I consider a normal leval of motivation yet, but that takes awhile when one has spent a year or two in bed. What I can say is that I have not felt bad in days, I'm bipolar but my upswings are rare and very short normally. I do recall that when I had a strong upswing last week I didn't feel the usuall confusion, in fact I was able to fix my favorite guitar amp which had a very wierd malfunction and had baffled me for well over a year. It really is a hassle ordering from thailand and wondering if it's ever going to come , but thats another long story. George


Hello George or whoever eles might have some tianeptine experience. I'm interested in finding out some results from people who have tried this drug. I see that I can get it from overseas through the mail. I was seriously considering giving it a try. I have anxiety, depression and hypomanic reaction to some antidepressants. I hope there will be some people that can help me decide if I want to give it a try. Any good or bad experinces including side effects would be greatly appreciated. I hope I get a ton of replies. Thank in advance.

 

Re: Success story

Posted by Michael S. on December 10, 2000, at 23:37:32

In reply to Re: Success story, posted by glenn on May 15, 1999, at 14:24:23

> Rita Lynn et al.) Of course that sort of 'knowing' is again fooling myself -"I know, so I am safe". I often also feel that "unlike so many of my friends who either went on to shooting heroin and died or screwed up their mind and body with crack and stuff, I am still in reasonable physical health and can m
> > > Tianeptine (Stablon) is however a very safe and fairly promising molecule, with no abuse potential. My first post to this thread was a response to a request for description of personal experience with Tianeptine. In that post I did just that, the other things came in because I don't see the point of describing some "platonic Tianeptine not connected with anything else". I request other readers to remember this. (My second post, however, was a polemic with Andrew.)
> > >
> > > Look, there are studies which say that the main benefit of Tianeptine is long-term - you've got to try it for at least a year - it is supposed to give you some mood stability without the problems
> > > with mood-stabilizers.
> > >
> > > I'll try to stay off the hashish and the piracetam, the Ritalin, phenytoin and the propranolol (all of which my pdoc strongly disapproves of anyway - he said I have a brittle personality and might have frank psychotic episodes or real deep depression if I am not careful). The doc is comfortable with Tianeptine and Amineptine so I'll continue that (and try not to snort Amineptine - I haven't told the doc about that. [But he might have read that post by now!])
> > >
> > > Thank you again. I keep losing my way half-way through projects unless they are software development projects.
> > >
> > > PS - On Sunday I am off to the Himalaya mountains ,and off the internet, for a month. Regards.
> >
> >
> > George here: After two weeks on tianeptine I feel soooo much better, really. It made me feel better right away, also made me drowsey for a while but that seems to be passing, except for the fact that I feel real hung over in the morning. I don't have what I consider a normal leval of motivation yet, but that takes awhile when one has spent a year or two in bed. What I can say is that I have not felt bad in days, I'm bipolar but my upswings are rare and very short normally. I do recall that when I had a strong upswing last week I didn't feel the usuall confusion, in fact I was able to fix my favorite guitar amp which had a very wierd malfunction and had baffled me for well over a year. It really is a hassle ordering from thailand and wondering if it's ever going to come , but thats another long story. George
> i am really pleased for you george, from my chat with a french shrink he says it tends to work after between 5 and fifteen days and " it very tolerable" he says, very few side effects aprt from some wierd dreams in about 20% of people,
> there is also amineptine and milnacipram two other french drugs unknown in the us and uk, but if tianeptine works what the heck
> i hope you get some more soon im getting my friend to bring meback few months worth before i start as long as my tumour test proves negative which i think it will
> let us know how yare getting on and maybe ill be reporting some suceess too soon, heck of a pig waiting for the right medication isnt it
> all the best
> glenn


I'm very interested in finding out more about Tianeptine. I'm curious if any of you out there know if you can mix it with trazadone. I have trouble sleeping and I heard that was a side effect of Tianeptine. Trazadone works for me but I'm not sure how it'll interact with Tianeptine. If anyone knows, please respond. Also let me know if it's possible to converse with a French doctor that prescribes the drug without actually going to France. Hope to hear back from some people soon.

 

Tianeptine (Stablon) Questions!!

Posted by Michael S. on December 10, 2000, at 23:44:36

In reply to Re: Success story, posted by Michael S. on December 10, 2000, at 23:37:32

> > Rita Lynn et al.) Of course that sort of 'knowing' is again fooling myself -"I know, so I am safe". I often also feel that "unlike so many of my friends who either went on to shooting heroin and died or screwed up their mind and body with crack and stuff, I am still in reasonable physical health and can m
> > > > Tianeptine (Stablon) is however a very safe and fairly promising molecule, with no abuse potential. My first post to this thread was a response to a request for description of personal experience with Tianeptine. In that post I did just that, the other things came in because I don't see the point of describing some "platonic Tianeptine not connected with anything else". I request other readers to remember this. (My second post, however, was a polemic with Andrew.)
> > > >
> > > > Look, there are studies which say that the main benefit of Tianeptine is long-term - you've got to try it for at least a year - it is supposed to give you some mood stability without the problems
> > > > with mood-stabilizers.
> > > >
> > > > I'll try to stay off the hashish and the piracetam, the Ritalin, phenytoin and the propranolol (all of which my pdoc strongly disapproves of anyway - he said I have a brittle personality and might have frank psychotic episodes or real deep depression if I am not careful). The doc is comfortable with Tianeptine and Amineptine so I'll continue that (and try not to snort Amineptine - I haven't told the doc about that. [But he might have read that post by now!])
> > > >
> > > > Thank you again. I keep losing my way half-way through projects unless they are software development projects.
> > > >
> > > > PS - On Sunday I am off to the Himalaya mountains ,and off the internet, for a month. Regards.
> > >
> > >
> > > George here: After two weeks on tianeptine I feel soooo much better, really. It made me feel better right away, also made me drowsey for a while but that seems to be passing, except for the fact that I feel real hung over in the morning. I don't have what I consider a normal leval of motivation yet, but that takes awhile when one has spent a year or two in bed. What I can say is that I have not felt bad in days, I'm bipolar but my upswings are rare and very short normally. I do recall that when I had a strong upswing last week I didn't feel the usuall confusion, in fact I was able to fix my favorite guitar amp which had a very wierd malfunction and had baffled me for well over a year. It really is a hassle ordering from thailand and wondering if it's ever going to come , but thats another long story. George
> > i am really pleased for you george, from my chat with a french shrink he says it tends to work after between 5 and fifteen days and " it very tolerable" he says, very few side effects aprt from some wierd dreams in about 20% of people,
> > there is also amineptine and milnacipram two other french drugs unknown in the us and uk, but if tianeptine works what the heck
> > i hope you get some more soon im getting my friend to bring meback few months worth before i start as long as my tumour test proves negative which i think it will
> > let us know how yare getting on and maybe ill be reporting some suceess too soon, heck of a pig waiting for the right medication isnt it
> > all the best
> > glenn
>
>
> I'm very interested in finding out more about Tianeptine. I'm curious if any of you out there know if you can mix it with trazadone. I have trouble sleeping and I heard that was a side effect of Tianeptine. Trazadone works for me but I'm not sure how it'll interact with Tianeptine. If anyone knows, please respond. Also let me know if it's possible to converse with a French doctor that prescribes the drug without actually going to France. Hope to hear back from some people soon.

I hope someone out there can help give me some answers to my questions. Please write me back if you think you can help. Thanks!!

 

Re: Tianeptine anybody?

Posted by gladi on January 2, 2001, at 17:34:58

In reply to Tianeptine anybody?, posted by George O. on April 6, 1999, at 20:26:58

>It has been a long time since any thread touched on this topic, but I'm going to take a stab at it anyway.

Are there any sources for this medication other than IAS? $49 for 60 of the 12.5mg tablets is pretty steep considering that three tablets per day are needed to maintain a decent, effective blood level of this stuff.
***
I've ordered this novel tricyclic from overseas, it may be may last chance. I've read lots about it on medline but haven't heard from anyone who's actually been on it. Tricyclics were about the only thing that ever helped me, problem is that after a couple of years I get immune to them. I've been on EVERYTHING and not much has helped the last few years, some thihgs that seemed promising, like reboxetine, actually made me much more depressed, it just doesn't make sense. Since this med is so novel (it inhances seretonin reuptake) it may work where others have failed, who knows? George.

 

Re: Tianeptine anybody? » gladi

Posted by disney4 on October 23, 2002, at 14:31:33

In reply to Re: Tianeptine anybody?, posted by gladi on January 2, 2001, at 17:34:58

> >It has been a long time since any thread touched on this topic, but I'm going to take a stab at it anyway.
>
> Are there any sources for this medication other than IAS? $49 for 60 of the 12.5mg tablets is pretty steep considering that three tablets per day are needed to maintain a decent, effective blood level of this stuff.
> ***
> I've ordered this novel tricyclic from overseas, it may be may last chance. I've read lots about it on medline but haven't heard from anyone who's actually been on it. Tricyclics were about the only thing that ever helped me, problem is that after a couple of years I get immune to them. I've been on EVERYTHING and not much has

helped the last few years, some thihgs that seemed promising, like reboxetine, actually made me much more depressed, it just doesn't make sense. Since this med is so novel (it inhances seretonin reuptake) it may work where others have failed, who knows? George.

How did the tianeptine work for you? Did it make you nervous or calmer?
>
>


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