Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 5721

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METHAMPHETAMINE (DESOXYN)

Posted by anon. on May 7, 1999, at 20:13:32

Well I know this might seem a little out of place, but I was looking for information on this particular drug, and any documented 'bad mixtures', and I thought you might know. I am not a regular user of the drug, but once in a while Ill take about 6 pills or 30mg for the intoxicating/euphoric effects.....usually this is not a problem, but the last time I did this it was with a large quantity of THC, and I havnt totally recovered since.....(its been about 2-3 weeks now) In a few words, I feel similar to a pencil eraser.....extreemly dull.....not able to proccess information.....do math.....even think straght. Kinda like if you were standing right there when a bomb went off and you kinda heard a ringing in your ears for a few hours, only its in my head, and its been more than a couple of hours.....so anyway, I was wondering if you knew of anything realated to mxing dezoxyn with pot, if so weather or not this is normal and will go away, and if not where it is that I could go to get this information...

Thanx

 

Re: METHAMPHETAMINE (DESOXYN)

Posted by saintjames on May 7, 1999, at 21:06:04

In reply to METHAMPHETAMINE (DESOXYN), posted by anon. on May 7, 1999, at 20:13:32

> Well I know this might seem a little out of place, but I was looking for information on this particular drug, and any documented 'bad mixtures', and I thought you might know. I am not a regular user of the drug, but once in a while Ill take about 6 pills or 30mg for the intoxicating/euphoric effects.....usually this is not a problem, but the last time I did this it was with a large quantity of THC, and I havnt totally recovered since

James here....

At level of abuse the stims depelete (how ever you want to look at it) neuro transmitters. This accounts for the "crash" and depression after a speed run. There is pleanty of evidence that with continued abuse this can cause prem. damage to neuro systems, not limited to inability to make neuro transmitters (I am speaking of animal studies) In humans "tweakers" and sometimes just occasional or one time users will have mood and thought problems lasting 6 mo to a year after last use and for the heavy abusers to damage is perm. The usual treatment is an AD. Give it a rest, eat well, and if things are not better soon
see a doc.

james

 

Listen, Kiddo

Posted by racer on May 8, 1999, at 0:29:00

In reply to METHAMPHETAMINE (DESOXYN), posted by anon. on May 7, 1999, at 20:13:32

In the long past days of my misspent youth, I did my share of crank. In fact, I did your share too, so you can't have any more! I learned a lot about it while trying to stop:

Even though speed isn't technically addictive, it's dratted difficult to stop taking it. It really will make you stupid (My results on IQ tests taken before and after my using periods were different: lower after by about ten percent). It is really awful for your body, worse than heroin. Physically, you're gonna make yourself sicker than you can imagine.

And if all that ain't enough, here's what really scared me away from it: you don't know what in the heck is really in it. That's the real problem with street drugs, my little friend, you really don't have a clue what you're getting. Speed is easy enough to make, but do you trust high school dropouts who couldn't pass chemistry to make drugs that you're gonna put into you body? Gee, maybe that lowered IQ is already starting if you say yes to that! Really, they can cut the dang drugs with any number of things, and you wouldn't know. The authorities say that there's often other stims in the cut, like strychnine. Do you really want to get high on rat poison?

Anyway, as someone who was there, I'm suggesting that if you wanna get high that badly, you learn to enjoy something else. Let's see, coffee or cola will act as an upper, and ice cream always acts as a soporific for me, as does fettecine alfredo... Try something healthier, 'K?

 

Re: METHAMPHETAMINE (DESOXYN)

Posted by Torrey on May 8, 1999, at 3:31:37

In reply to METHAMPHETAMINE (DESOXYN), posted by anon. on May 7, 1999, at 20:13:32

My one-time experience with meth did some kind of damage to my brain that I have never fully recovered from. I probably had a genetic predisposition, but it was only after the speed that I had my first major nervous breakdown. I was practically psychotic for quite awhile, and have had chronic depression, OCD, and general anxiety disorder ever since (fifteen years). For whatever relevance it might have, I also was smoking marijuana at the time.

Not trying to scare you - some people take speed and seem to get away with it. But if you're not so lucky, you could give yourself problems for the rest of life. Take your experience as a healthy warning, and stop now. And if you've got to take something to get high, stick with the marijuana - your body and your mind will thank you.

 

Re: METHAMPHETAMINE (DESOXYN)

Posted by Phil on May 8, 1999, at 7:45:29

In reply to METHAMPHETAMINE (DESOXYN), posted by anon. on May 7, 1999, at 20:13:32

> Well I know this might seem a little out of place, but I was looking for information on this particular drug, and any documented 'bad mixtures', and I thought you might know. of anything realated to mxing dezoxyn with pot, if so weather or not this is normal and will go away, and if not where it is that I could go to get this information...
>
> Thanx

>>>Of my friends that ended up going over the edge on meth many years ago, two died of heart attacks in their 30's and one who is now in his 50's completely ruined his mind and life.
Most of the others lost a good amount of hair
and their teeth just basically rotted out-not counting the 180 degree personality change when they and I did it. There is no such thing as casual use of meth.
I can't think of a worse thing to put in your body.
No advice to offer, most have to learn themselves...just my experience. But this is one drug that will take you down fast. Good luck.
Phil

 

Re: METHAMPHETAMINE (DESOXYN)

Posted by anon. on May 8, 1999, at 21:48:30

In reply to Re: METHAMPHETAMINE (DESOXYN), posted by Phil on May 8, 1999, at 7:45:29

Thanx for all the advice......I mean as for not knowing what Im getting, I have not been doing crank, just pharmicutical speed, specifically Desoxyn. The active chemical is Methamphetamine, but it came out of my friends perscription, so I know its pure. Not advicating continued use based on that, however I can say 100% that whatever is going on its related to methamphetamine and not any other chemical. Anyway thanx for all the feedback.

 

Re: METHAMPHETAMINE (DESOXYN)

Posted by Elizabeth on May 16, 1999, at 0:48:42

In reply to METHAMPHETAMINE (DESOXYN), posted by anon. on May 7, 1999, at 20:13:32

I think saintjames probably is right about neurotransmitter depletion. Amphetamine primarily stimulates the release of norepinephrine (alertness, energy) and dopamine (euphoria, psychosis), but at high doses it affects serotonin (mood, psychosis) too and that might be some of what you experienced. I'm sure that the mj has something to do with it too.

It's sort of a catch - since weed is so restricted, there's not much research on it, so we don't really know what its risks are or how it interacts with other drugs. But just for the sake of knowing: do you take any medications? Including over-the-counter ones. Also, what happened when you were (umm, high?) on these two drugs: anything unusual? Or was it just really good?

Try and take care of yourself, rest, drink lots of fluids, eat foods high in tryptophan, etc., for a while, okay? Maybe take some Prozac or Effexor also. I kind of like your "pencil eraser" analogy - very descriptive. If the take-care-of-yourself approach isn't working after a few weeks, you probably should consider seeing a neurologist.

BTW with large quantities of meth you might want to be concerned about the cardiovascular effects. I believe Dexedrine is a touch safer in this regard, while cocaine is the worst. It's a particular area of concern for me because I had a hypertensive crisis that resulted in a pulmonary hemorrhage a couple years ago. All I could think when they showed me the x-ray was "what if it had been my brain?"

Oh yeah, don't mix meth with MAOIs, but you knew that. :-)

 

Re: METHAMPHETAMINE (DESOXYN)

Posted by SJ on May 18, 1999, at 22:02:58

In reply to Re: METHAMPHETAMINE (DESOXYN), posted by Elizabeth on May 16, 1999, at 0:48:42

It's interesting that so many have had experience with street drugs. I used to use whatever I could get my hands on back in the seventies (marijuana, LSD, a bad experience with speed), and sometimes I wonder if THAT's what has contributed to my depression now, or if I was attracted to drugs as a teen because I was depressed.

While the drugs mentioned here don't appeal to me, I've often mentioned to my doctor that I would definately take street drugs if I had access to them--that's what depression has reduced me to. Fortunately/unfortunately, I'm a regular suburban working mom without many connections (well not any, really!) to the drug world. When you feel so bad for such a sustained length of time, it really can't come as much of a surprise that any drug that might make it better, or at least more entertaining for a while, sounds inviting to a depressed person. That's why the voice of reason doesn't work here, I think.

I have tried self-medicating with prescription pain killers, and they work great. I have asked several of my doctors, quite seriously, if I could get some to use like other people use Xanax. They never seem surprised, but they never say yes, either.

That being said, I don't think I'd want to hang out with the sorts of people who use meth on a regular basis. Too stuck up, I guess. ; )


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