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Posted by Mrs,Thomas on August 29, 1998, at 8:19:42
HI STAYED AWAH\KE ON AMBIEN 10 , HAD A LITTLE POT , & GOT REAL HALLICINATINS, ALMOST ;OUT OF IT ; , G\COULDNT MANTAIN A TRAIN OF THOUGHT, . HAVE HAD EXOERIECE ONCE OTHER W. O POT .
ANY ADIVE THATNKS
ALSO ON NORTRP ,50 MG & LITHIUM L THKS MRS, THOMAS
PROFESSICALLY ADIVICE APPRECIATE! THANKS
MRS ,T
Posted by Levi on August 30, 1998, at 2:20:58
In reply to ambiem & "flipp out episoded" /???anyone pls same?, posted by Mrs,Thomas on August 29, 1998, at 8:19:42
Yes, i've done the duet. Same thing - especially distortions in vision and memory. Ambien and pot don't mix - unless you like this sort of mishegas, craziness. I'd stay away from ambien. Definitelly. If it is possible, i.e. if you can handle it now, stop the pot. You won't become Mary Poppins - but quit, you will someday, so just quit...
Posted by Toby on August 31, 1998, at 9:10:23
In reply to ambiem & "flipp out episoded" /???anyone pls same?, posted by Mrs,Thomas on August 29, 1998, at 8:19:42
Mrs. Thomas, didn't you write in at the beginning of the month with a question about Wellbutrin, Valium, Lithium and Buspar mixed with alcohol? And now you are on Pamelor and Lithium with Ambien and Pot? Have you considered that you may have a slight problem with illicit substances? I don't mean to sound condescending, but I do mean to be confrontational. You are beating the crap out of your brain's chemical makeup. Go to AA or NA and tell your doctor what you are doing. You won't necessarily get thrown in the hospital or rehab or anything. There are many ways to deal with it without getting locked up. You MUST deal with the alcohol and pot and whatever else or you mental illness has ZERO chance of improving for any longer than the joint lasts.
Posted by MayorCool on March 13, 1999, at 16:09:10
In reply to Re: ambiem & "flipp out episoded" /???anyone pls same?, posted by Toby on August 31, 1998, at 9:10:23
I used to take Ambiem back in the day for a sleeping disorder. I found that after taking 10mg of Ambiem you pretty much end all hope of doing anything until you wake up the next morning. The first time I took Ambiem I had no experince with sleeping medication and planned on watching television until it made me sleepy. Well, insted of making me sleepy I had a bizzare intoxicated episode, and woke up in the floor around 2AM.
Posted by alli on March 19, 1999, at 16:34:03
In reply to ambiem & "flipp out episoded" /???anyone pls same?, posted by Mrs,Thomas on August 29, 1998, at 8:19:42
I have had several episodes of hallucinations on ambien. If I dont go to bed after I take it I'll start dreaming anyhow. I was also in the habit of writing in my journal before going to sleep, and the entries got very bizzar. However, I have narcolepsy, so hypnagogic hallucinations, while not common for me, have happened before without the help of pharmaceuticals. I asked my psych about the ambien hallucinations out of curiousity and she said she hadnt heard of it, but would assume it was due to activation of my sleep disorder. I'm told what I experience on ambien is similar to what people experience with hallucinogens, except that I'll end up falling asleep and not remembering too much the next morning.
Posted by Shelley on March 24, 1999, at 19:46:06
In reply to Re: ambiem & "flipp out episoded" /???anyone pls same?, posted by Toby on August 31, 1998, at 9:10:23
Toby, I am not Mrs. Thomas but thanks for the reminder that drugs and alcohol don't mix with psychoative meds. In answer to Mrs. Thomas, yes, I take codeine for migraines and took an ambien once at the same time. I have no recall of what I did, but apparently, and my ex-husband will witness, I went totally nuts. The Word Ambien strikes fear in his eyes. I never took it again.
Posted by Glenn on March 25, 1999, at 16:22:37
In reply to Re: ambiem & "flipp out episoded" /???anyone pls same?, posted by Shelley on March 24, 1999, at 19:46:06
I am a pharmacist now and heard many patient accounts of retrograde amnesia. Individuals doing incredibly stupid things and were not even
combining Ambien with other medications. I have also had patients get extremely agitated when their doctor won't refill their prescription for this
drug. It is a controlled substance. The problem seems to be that after you miss the "window" of sleep that ambien offers you, you are not able to
fall asleep and you can't function.
Posted by George Gershwin on March 28, 1999, at 2:03:35
In reply to ambiem & "flipp out episoded" /???anyone pls same?, posted by Mrs,Thomas on August 29, 1998, at 8:19:42
I really think it was the pot! As a veteran of ambien (20 mg or more a night for one and a half years) and a pot smoker who quit because of a bad psychotic episode, the pot is worse. Ambien, at best recreational levels, will only induce mild visual changes, memory loss, and a mentally dreamlike state. I can't tell you how many times I've taken ambien only to stay up all night, although I contend it's the best sleep medicine. The combo could be bad however. Actually, I had taken some xanax before my pot episode (this was a bad, bad time, with time distortion and extreme sickness, thought I would die LITERALLY for two hours, couldn't walk or move or think...) and the xanax seemed to keep me from leaping out the window. Pot can have very psychadelic effects. I want to say it's a good drug, and that it should be legal, bad man did I have a bad trip! Even though I've smoked plenty in my life. It was too much, too fast. So don't underestimate it's potency, which obviously is variable.
> HI STAYED AWAH\KE ON AMBIEN 10 , HAD A LITTLE POT , & GOT REAL HALLICINATINS, ALMOST ;OUT OF IT ; , G\COULDNT MANTAIN A TRAIN OF THOUGHT, . HAVE HAD EXOERIECE ONCE OTHER W. O POT .
> ANY ADIVE THATNKS
> ALSO ON NORTRP ,50 MG & LITHIUM L THKS MRS, THOMAS
> PROFESSICALLY ADIVICE APPRECIATE! THANKS
> MRS ,T
Posted by Terry on March 31, 1999, at 14:06:35
In reply to Re: ambiem & "flipp out episoded" /???anyone pls same?, posted by George Gershwin on March 28, 1999, at 2:03:35
If Ambien is giving you trouble, ask your doctor about a new hypnotic, zaleplon (Sonata) from Wyeth-Ayerst. It's not supposed to cause sleep hangovers and it appears to improve overall sleep quality and amount of sleep. It does not cause withdrawal symptoms when discontinued. Terry
> I really think it was the pot! As a veteran of ambien (20 mg or more a night for one and a half years) and a pot smoker who quit because of a bad psychotic episode, the pot is worse. Ambien, at best recreational levels, will only induce mild visual changes, memory loss, and a mentally dreamlike state. I can't tell you how many times I've taken ambien only to stay up all night, although I contend it's the best sleep medicine. The combo could be bad however. Actually, I had taken some xanax before my pot episode (this was a bad, bad time, with time distortion and extreme sickness, thought I would die LITERALLY for two hours, couldn't walk or move or think...) and the xanax seemed to keep me from leaping out the window. Pot can have very psychadelic effects. I want to say it's a good drug, and that it should be legal, bad man did I have a bad trip! Even though I've smoked plenty in my life. It was too much, too fast. So don't underestimate it's potency, which obviously is variable.
>
> > HI STAYED AWAH\KE ON AMBIEN 10 , HAD A LITTLE POT , & GOT REAL HALLICINATINS, ALMOST ;OUT OF IT ; , G\COULDNT MANTAIN A TRAIN OF THOUGHT, . HAVE HAD EXOERIECE ONCE OTHER W. O POT .
> > ANY ADIVE THATNKS
> > ALSO ON NORTRP ,50 MG & LITHIUM L THKS MRS, THOMAS
> > PROFESSICALLY ADIVICE APPRECIATE! THANKS
> > MRS ,T
Posted by Linda Talbott on May 15, 1999, at 10:27:32
Mrs Thomas, Please don't do this to yourself. First of all pot is illegal but I'm sure you don't need to hear that from someone who has't used it but the point is I love you and care about you as a Christian and I will put you on our prayer line. I take zoloft and ambiem, they work well together. I recently got off of buspar which I had taken for fifteen years. I don't have a personal history of mental illness episode except ones I can identify myself that don't show much outwardly. I had a son, Tony, who had a nervous breakdown three years ago at the age of 25 and he was diagnosed with schizophrenia and manic depression. His death was attributed to liver failure due to a psyhogenic drug called clozaril. He went through everthing imaginable but this medicine did help him have a fairly normal life for nine months he too it. He didn't have a desire to go out and use all kinds of illicit drugs but it did make him gain 75#. It shouldn't have taken his life but at least I know he's at peace with the Lord and he's not suffering anymore. Please try to get some help and live a long happy life. I know what it's like to deal with this, my dad and brother were and are schizophrenic and my other brother has drank as long as I can remember and he is 52. I don't know how he has lived this long. I see this [schiz.]happening in my little nephew and he is only five but at least he is getting help. I've live this all my life so believe me I know where your coming from. I have another son who has gotten very spaced out on pot and no one can convince me that it could be used as a medicine for this purpose because when he gets off of it he is pretty well alright. He is a quiet person anyway but the pot makes him hullicinate. Once he left without a word to anyone and we found him in Los Vegas 2000 miles away. He had no idea why he didn't tell us where he was going, he is 24 and now he won't work or take part in any family function. He will prosper and so will you. Remember I love you and I want to know how you are getting along. Linda
Posted by RAC12181 on June 9, 2002, at 0:28:29
In reply to Re: ambiem & , posted by Linda Talbott on May 15, 1999, at 10:27:32
Since the age of 4, I have had sleep disorders. Lately, it was getting worse. At a point I couldn't sleep until at least 5 a.m., terrible. When it got dark, I would become very depressed, because I know that I would have to try "sleeping." I tried everything, Zoloft, Paxil, didn't do a damn thing. Alcohol once helped, but then kinda backfired. I took Nyquil, Benadryl, etc., didn't help. At first, it helped me sleep, but I would feel like crap the next day, all day long. Over the counter drugs would make my heart speed up, make me feel sick, and they made me feel worse. Until someone recommended me Ambiem. Within an hour, I could sleep. Amazing drug. I agree, I would feel funny at night after I took it, but it wasn't a bad feeling. I love it, and I always wake up with no side effects. I've taken in for two weeks, and I will try anything that can help me overcome sleep disorders. I would try it out!
Posted by Dysthymic George on June 9, 2002, at 3:20:26
In reply to AMBIEM » Linda Talbott, posted by RAC12181 on June 9, 2002, at 0:28:29
Hi,
I've been taking 20mg Ambien every night for about 4 months and it works every time.
Sure, if I don't go to bed I get visual hallucinations and *extreme* memory impairment, but there is an element of euphoria as well.
I used to take it, wait until the fun started, then head to bed. But after a while I realized that I was doing things that I had no recollection of during this time, and a high that you can't remember is pretty pointless.
Overall I find it more euphoric but slightly less effective for sleep than benzos. Benzos are more pure, less euphoric, and *sustain* sleep much better for me. In fact, I would much rather be on 2mg lorazepam (my fav benzo) at night because I wake up much more refreshed and can hop right out of bed.
I am the kind of person prone to restlessness, agitation, insomnia and the likes, so "pure" downers work a lot better for me.
Posted by Schuyler on June 10, 2002, at 7:09:14
In reply to AMBIEM » Linda Talbott, posted by RAC12181 on June 9, 2002, at 0:28:29
Remember that Ambien wears off after 4-5 hours and isn't any help for early morning waking.
Schuyler
Posted by paxvox on June 14, 2002, at 18:51:10
In reply to Re: AMBIEM » RAC12181, posted by Schuyler on June 10, 2002, at 7:09:14
Well, I wouldn't say it isn't ANY good. It's great if you cannot fall asleep, but it does not keep you asleep at *recommended* doses. I have just recently found, however, that 30mgs will let me sleep like 5-6 hours, which is a miracle as far as I am concerned. Too bad the medical profession won't prescribe that for sleep.
PAX
Posted by schuyler on June 15, 2002, at 11:47:47
In reply to Re: AMBIEM » Schuyler, posted by paxvox on June 14, 2002, at 18:51:10
> Well, I wouldn't say it isn't ANY good. It's great if you cannot fall asleep, but it does not keep you asleep at *recommended* doses. I have just recently found, however, that 30mgs will let me sleep like 5-6 hours, which is a miracle as far as I am concerned. Too bad the medical profession won't prescribe that for sleep.
>
> PAX
I only meant to point out that Ambien isn't any good for early morning waking, after you have slept 4-6 hours on it. BTW, it takes only 5 mg of the stuff to put me to sleep. :-)Schuyler
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