Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 2094

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Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?

Posted by San on January 6, 1999, at 9:10:06


I have bpd and my Dr. prescribed 1 mg Klonopin and
20 mg prozac. Are there any Borderline Personality
Disorder people out there and what are you taken?
And has it been sucessfull?
San
email (Justolme@aol.com) or add to the tread

 

Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?

Posted by Elizabeth on January 8, 1999, at 15:11:34

In reply to Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?, posted by San on January 6, 1999, at 9:10:06

Hi. I don't have BPD but here are some things that are used sometimes:

- mood stabilizers - lithium, Tegretol, Depakote, Lamictal, Neurontin, Topamax. Can help with frequent mood swings, "rages," impulsive behaviour.
- antipsychotics - Zyprexa, Seroquel, Risperdal, Trilafon, Mellaril, etc. Can act as mood stabilizers; the newer ones (the first three listed) also seem to have antidepressant effects.
- naltrexone (ReVia) - seems to reduce self-injurious urges. May also help with eating disorders and of course substance abuse problems (alcohol, narcotics, possibly cocaine).
- buspirone (BuSpar) - can also help with "rages" as well as anxiety, hypersensitivity, tendency to ruminate.

Prozac and other antidepressants are used *very* often. Tricyclics (imipramine, amitriptyline, etc.) are not likely to help with BPD and may even make it worse, though.

Prozac and similar antidepressants may help with anger, impulsivity, and emotional sensitivity/reactivity as well as depressed moods and anxiety. (If they make you more anxious initially, try a lower dose.)

Klonopin is a good drug for anxiety, which is something a lot of people with BPD have. Xanax may not be a good choice, as some studies have shown that it causes people with BPD to become disinhibited and more impulsive.

Good luck, eh?

 

Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?

Posted by Sean on January 11, 1999, at 16:26:52

In reply to Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?, posted by San on January 6, 1999, at 9:10:06

>
> I have bpd and my Dr. prescribed 1 mg Klonopin and
> 20 mg prozac. Are there any Borderline Personality
> Disorder people out there and what are you taken?
> And has it been sucessfull?
> San
> email (Justolme@aol.com) or add to the tread

Actually, yes. My x-girlfriend was a borderline
and really improved with prozac, especially the
anger side of things.

 

Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?

Posted by Ron on January 31, 1999, at 12:17:21

In reply to Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?, posted by San on January 6, 1999, at 9:10:06

>
> I have bpd and my Dr. prescribed 1 mg Klonopin and
> 20 mg prozac. Are there any Borderline Personality
> Disorder people out there and what are you taken?
> And has it been sucessfull?
> San
> email (Justolme@aol.com) or add to the tread

I have BPD and the disorder makes it difficult to trust in any drug or doctor, however.
After 3 years of trying to be happy and not having much luck I decide to give Zoloft a try (100 mg's) for now.
With the depression that comes and goes with BPD I hope the Zolft will give me the advantage to just let go and enjoy all that is.
Caution. In the past I have never tried to commit suicide when not on Zoloft and I self injure more often on Zoloft. So I am being carefull and am logging each day
to make sure that I remain aware of all changes. I have only decided to take Zoloft recently (again) and only because I
believe that I am stronger emotionally and the suicide and self injury are not as common. Without drugs for 3 years I have not had a sucide attempt however self injury has been at its highest.
I have takin responsability for the self injury and I work very hard not to do it.
Mostly for the last 3 years I have stayed in the house and did nothing with my life.
I believe that I am doing the right thing with the Zoloft. Any comments?
BPD is a real hell to live in. We are never understood and doctors hate us mostly because we are smart
((there is no known case of a person with BPD having an IQ less than 130..average is 100)
So you all will just have to live with the fact that we are smart and get over it, ha ha Just a joke but
the figures are in fact true.)
and question there authority and prescriptions, ha ha.
But the reality it is an illness and we are not capable of good judgement. Strange though we are always held
responsable for it. Funny thing though a man with no legs is not held responsable
if he falls??

Any e-mail from souls who suffer from BPD is welcome

Ron

 

Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?

Posted by Elizabeth on February 6, 1999, at 17:07:06

In reply to Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?, posted by Ron on January 31, 1999, at 12:17:21

I've heard this claim about borderlines all having high IQ's before, Ron. It's false, but where did you hear it?

 

Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?

Posted by ron on February 11, 1999, at 10:38:46

In reply to Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?, posted by Elizabeth on February 6, 1999, at 17:07:06

i have read it and documented it. i am in a bpd group and just by there iteligence alone
i can spot the non bpd people in the group. I have read this fact in over 7 documents.
I sugest to any person with BPD to get into group and then you will see the difference.
If anyone out there who thinks they have BPD or has been diagnosed as having BPD and they have an IQ
less than 130 I would suggest a second opinion.
i have the documents if you disagree as well Klon can I ask you why you think it is not true?

 

Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?

Posted by Elizabeth on February 11, 1999, at 12:56:51

In reply to Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?, posted by ron on February 11, 1999, at 10:38:46

> i have read it and documented it.

Okay. Where did you read it, if you remember?

> I sugest to any person with BPD to get into group and then you will see the difference.

I think you need to appreciate that your group doesn't necessarily cover the whole population of persons with BPD. That's all.

> i have the documents if you disagree as well Klon can I ask you why you think it is not true?

It's very difficult to believe - it's a fairly far-fetched claim to make about any group, that they all have IQs more than 130, so yes, I would need to read the source(s) where you heard this originally in order to decide whether they have a case or not. (This is *not* personal! I am always skeptical of things I hear on the net, that's all. :-)

 

Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?

Posted by Ron on February 12, 1999, at 13:41:55

In reply to Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?, posted by Elizabeth on February 11, 1999, at 12:56:51

Hi
I asked, how do you know it is not true. I have read in
more than 5 times, in different articles. This is why we
question everything just like you are doing. I saved the
articles and when I find them I will post them. Until you can prove me wrong
and I can back my words. Lets just leave it there for now.

Take care,

Ron

 

Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?

Posted by Elizabeth on February 12, 1999, at 19:10:13

In reply to Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?, posted by Ron on February 12, 1999, at 13:41:55

> I asked, how do you know it is not true. I have read in
> more than 5 times, in different articles. This is why we
> question everything just like you are doing. I saved the
> articles and when I find them I will post them. Until you can prove me wrong
> and I can back my words. Lets just leave it there for now.

Well, borderlines are just like any other mentally ill group, they're diverse. But I would like to know where you heard this. (I did a Medline search and it didn't turn up any articles that suggested this.) One thing I will say is that you can't believe everything you read, since if you did, you would end up believing contradictory things. Also, it's certainly possible that at some point a study was done in which a group of borderlines had higher-than-average IQs; this is a far from "all borderlines have high IQs" or even "borderlines have higher IQs than the population in general." The study could have been flawed in any of a number of ways. That, combined with the general implausibility of the claim (if you look at the diagnostic criteria for BPD, not one of them is linked to IQ), is why I don't take this sort of statement at face value.

 

Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?

Posted by anonymous on February 20, 1999, at 19:54:59

In reply to Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?, posted by Elizabeth on February 12, 1999, at 19:10:13

> > I asked, how do you know it is not true. I have read in
> > more than 5 times, in different articles. This is why we
> > question everything just like you are doing. I saved the
> > articles and when I find them I will post them. Until you can prove me wrong
> > and I can back my words. Lets just leave it there for now.
>
> Well, borderlines are just like any other mentally ill group, they're diverse. But I would like to know where you heard this. (I did a Medline search and it didn't turn up any articles that suggested this.) One thing I will say is that you can't believe everything you read, since if you did, you would end up believing contradictory things. Also, it's certainly possible that at some point a study was done in which a group of borderlines had higher-than-average IQs; this is a far from "all borderlines have high IQs" or even "borderlines have higher IQs than the population in general." The study could have been flawed in any of a number of ways. That, combined with the general implausibility of the claim (if you look at the diagnostic criteria for BPD, not one of them is linked to IQ), is why I don't take this sort of statement at face value.

Haven't read all this interaction, but has any one of you tried Revia to break the patterns? I have seen some success with it.

 

Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?

Posted by Shar on March 10, 1999, at 13:38:53

In reply to Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?, posted by anonymous on February 20, 1999, at 19:54:59

> > > I asked, how do you know it is not true. I have read in
> > > more than 5 times, in different articles. This is why we
> > > question everything just like you are doing. I saved the
> > > articles and when I find them I will post them. Until you can prove me wrong
> > > and I can back my words. Lets just leave it there for now.
> >
> > Well, borderlines are just like any other mentally ill group, they're diverse. But I would like to know where you heard this. (I did a Medline search and it didn't turn up any articles that suggested this.) One thing I will say is that you can't believe everything you read, since if you did, you would end up believing contradictory things. Also, it's certainly possible that at some point a study was done in which a group of borderlines had higher-than-average IQs; this is a far from "all borderlines have high IQs" or even "borderlines have higher IQs than the population in general." The study could have been flawed in any of a number of ways. That, combined with the general implausibility of the claim (if you look at the diagnostic criteria for BPD, not one of them is linked to IQ), is why I don't take this sort of statement at face value.
>
> Haven't read all this interaction, but has any one of you tried Revia to break the patterns? I have seen some success with it.

I think that each side is right here. There are many borderlines with high intelligence as well as those with low. I think what Ron is speaking of is those who have higher instances and effects from their disease because they have the ability to think too far into situations. A high IQ can give individuals the ability to let many more areas affect them than others. I have anxiety/panic disorder and do know from personal experience that it does cause increased frustration, carries over into high level work and causes an increase in harmful verbal abuse. I do have personality disorder as well and I tend to "analyze" everyone who comes around me. This makes my condition worse. My analyzations are often distorted and can lead me to distrust people, however, this is why we have to be in therapy.
Ron, I did read an article that says it is dangerous to make these kind of blanket characterizations to any group, however, I believe those in this group that you have interacted with are of higher intelligence. The web site below is great for this particular debate going on. Hope everyone is well.

http://www.mentalhealth.com/mag1/p5h-per1.html

 

borderlines and intelligence

Posted by Elizabeth on March 10, 1999, at 21:27:51

In reply to Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?, posted by Shar on March 10, 1999, at 13:38:53

> I think that each side is right here. There are many borderlines with high intelligence as well as those with low. I think what Ron is speaking of is those who have higher instances and effects from their disease because they have the ability to think too far into situations. A high IQ can give individuals the ability to let many more areas affect them than others. I have anxiety/panic disorder and do know from personal experience that it does cause increased frustration, carries over into high level work and causes an increase in harmful verbal abuse. I do have personality disorder as well and I tend to "analyze" everyone who comes around me. This makes my condition worse. My analyzations are often distorted and can lead me to distrust people, however, this is why we have to be in therapy.
> Ron, I did read an article that says it is dangerous to make these kind of blanket characterizations to any group, however, I believe those in this group that you have interacted with are of higher intelligence. The web site below is great for this particular debate going on. Hope everyone is well.
>
> http://www.mentalhealth.com/mag1/p5h-per1.html

I think that the following are two very different statements:

"All borderlines have IQs over 130."

"Many borderlines have IQs over 130."

I never said there are not smart borderlines. I know borderlines who I met at MIT and Harvard - they are smart, but they tend not to be high achievers compared to those without such serious emotional (and, I'll go ahead and say it, cognitive) impairments. I have met other borderlines who, although creative, were not intelligent in the sense that IQ measures.

I am quite sure that if we interviewed some neuropsychologists who do psychological testing (which includes intelligence tests) they would not support the claim that all borderlines score substantially higher than average. My own suspicion is that, due to their quite extensive difficulties, borderlines actually do worse on these tests than average.

Possible sources of impairment might include impressionistic, overly intuitive thinking, poor attentional skills, suggestibility, and susceptibility to "emotional thinking" (treating emotions as "facts").

The burden of proof lies on Ron, who has made an outrageous assertion with no supporting evidence beyond "I think I read it somewhere." I'm willing to assume that he remembers correctly, but we have no idea how reliable his source is or how the author of his source arrived at this belief. As far as I'm ocncerned, it has the status of "extremely unreliable rumor."

For what it's worth, Shar, I think you're doing a good job of overcoming the "all-or-none thinking" that is so common in this disorder. What sort of treatment have you been in, if you don't mind talking about it? I'm glad I don't have to deal with this disorder, as it really does seem to take over people's lives in a uniquely damaging way. Besides the people I met in college, I've met a few borderlines in group therapy - they seemed to have a number of difficulties coping, and in each case it turned out that something horrible (or several somethings) had happened to them at a very young age.

 

Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?

Posted by KRoss on March 11, 1999, at 3:48:16

In reply to Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?, posted by Shar on March 10, 1999, at 13:38:53

> > > > I asked, how do you know it is not true. I have read in
> > > > more than 5 times, in different articles. This is why we
> > > > question everything just like you are doing. I saved the
> > > > articles and when I find them I will post them. Until you can prove me wrong
> > > > and I can back my words. Lets just leave it there for now.
> > >
> > > Well, borderlines are just like any other mentally ill group, they're diverse. But I would like to know where you heard this. (I did a Medline search and it didn't turn up any articles that suggested this.) One thing I will say is that you can't believe everything you read, since if you did, you would end up believing contradictory things. Also, it's certainly possible that at some point a study was done in which a group of borderlines had higher-than-average IQs; this is a far from "all borderlines have high IQs" or even "borderlines have higher IQs than the population in general." The study could have been flawed in any of a number of ways. That, combined with the general implausibility of the claim (if you look at the diagnostic criteria for BPD, not one of them is linked to IQ), is why I don't take this sort of statement at face value.
> >
> > Haven't read all this interaction, but has any one of you tried Revia to break the patterns? I have seen some success with it.
>
> I think that each side is right here. There are many borderlines with high intelligence as well as those with low. I think what Ron is speaking of is those who have higher instances and effects from their disease because they have the ability to think too far into situations. A high IQ can give individuals the ability to let many more areas affect them than others. I have anxiety/panic disorder and do know from personal experience that it does cause increased frustration, carries over into high level work and causes an increase in harmful verbal abuse. I do have personality disorder as well and I tend to "analyze" everyone who comes around me. This makes my condition worse. My analyzations are often distorted and can lead me to distrust people, however, this is why we have to be in therapy.
> Ron, I did read an article that says it is dangerous to make these kind of blanket characterizations to any group, however, I believe those in this group that you have interacted with are of higher intelligence. The web site below is great for this particular debate going on. Hope everyone is well.
>
> http://www.mentalhealth.com/mag1/p5h-per1.html

JUST browsing and came across this chat. I worked in a Borderline Unit of Terrell State Hosp Tx. while going through a fellowship at SW Med Scl, Dallas in late 80's. We had 25 borderlines DSMIII (at that time) qualified them after strict assessment guidelines where met. The object of the unit was to utilize Kernberg's theory (Analytic style) as treatment mode without any other treatments cognitive, supportive etc. or meds contaminating the project. Not everyone was given full batteries but all where assessed on general intelligence. Like the "normal" population they where bell shaped. However, tests regarding social awareness tend to skew positive. Unfortunately these people earned their lable of (Borderline 20 of the 25 where female). All the classic symptoms; inability to modulate anger, splitting etc.. where quite obvious and their self destructive behaviors landed them in the state hosp. Like ADD, Boderline is a much overused and dangerous term to attach to people. Often used by mental health professionals to discribe people they don't like. Anyway, in response to the original question of Borderlines taking anything, there were some positive results with tegretol in helping those with serious anger management problems. Other than that, time patience and tolerance in a stable evironment where the only clear variables that helped them become more stable and respond rather than react to their environment. In the last 10 years meds have come light years. What Meds work is probably the best question asked. If your thinking Psychotherapy then your in for the long haul.

 

Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?

Posted by Elizabeth on March 11, 1999, at 16:32:23

In reply to Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?, posted by KRoss on March 11, 1999, at 3:48:16

>What Meds work is probably the best question asked.

The trouble with this is, while most borderlines can find some med that helps them, no particular med has been found to work consistently. Research supports the use of Tegretol, Depakote, lithium, Haldol, Zyprexa, Nardil, and Prozac, though. (I think naltrexone too but I'm not sure.)

The two things not to use are tricyclic antidepressants and alprazolam.

-elizabeth

 

Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?

Posted by Dr. Media on March 16, 1999, at 16:56:14

In reply to Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?, posted by Elizabeth on March 11, 1999, at 16:32:23

> >What Meds work is probably the best question asked.
>
> The trouble with this is, while most borderlines can find some med that helps them, no particular med has been found to work consistently. Research supports the use of Tegretol, Depakote, lithium, Haldol, Zyprexa, Nardil, and Prozac, though. (I think naltrexone too but I'm not sure.)
>
> The two things not to use are tricyclic antidepressants and alprazolam.
>
> -elizabeth

Elizabeth, in reply to several very opinionated replies of your own:
I am Dx BP, and, if you are indeed a psychiatrist as your replies SEEM to indicate, you will understand the medical shorthand I have just used! Also, truly being innocuously interested, what type of schooling , if any, have you had, and where?

 

oops! I edited my typos...

Posted by Mark on March 24, 1999, at 0:23:43

In reply to Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?, posted by Mark on March 24, 1999, at 0:20:54

Excuse the typos---an edited version is below:


As a psychiatry resident, I would add
> that borderline character organization probably
> develops because at some period in one's
> life it served an adaptive, coping purpose to
> manage through difficult experiences. In this
> way, the personality structure has it's
> benefits/advantages (otherwise it likely
> wouldn't exist!) and it's disadvantages as well
> (most of which many of you have already
detailed).
> So my guess is that the adaptive qualities of
> this character organization are what promote the
> "borderlines are more intelligent" side of the
> current debate and the disadvantageous/maladaptive
> qualities of the character structure promote the
> other side of the argument. In the end, I think
> we should be just as carefully ascribe set
> qualities to those labeled borderline as we
> do in labeling those with certain qualities
> borderline.
>
>
>
>
> > > >What Meds work is probably the best question asked.
> > >
> > > The trouble with this is, while most borderlines can find some med that helps them, no particular med has been found to work consistently. Research supports the use of Tegretol, Depakote, lithium, Haldol, Zyprexa, Nardil, and Prozac, though. (I think naltrexone too but I'm not sure.)
> > >
> > > The two things not to use are tricyclic antidepressants and alprazolam.
> > >
> > > -elizabeth
> >
> > Elizabeth, in reply to several very opinionated replies of your own:
> > I am Dx BP, and, if you are indeed a psychiatrist as your replies SEEM to indicate, you will understand the medical shorthand I have just used! Also, truly being innocuously interested, what type of schooling , if any, have you had, and where?

 

Re: oops! I edited my typos...

Posted by Elizabeth on March 28, 1999, at 2:57:30

In reply to oops! I edited my typos..., posted by Mark on March 24, 1999, at 0:23:43

>As a psychiatry resident, I would add
>that borderline character organization
>probably develops because at some period
>in one's life it served an adaptive,
>coping purpose to manage through difficult
>experiences. In this way, the personality
>structure has it's benefits/advantages
>(otherwise it likely wouldn't exist!) and
>it's disadvantages as well (most of which
>many of you have already detailed).
>So my guess is that the adaptive qualities
>of this character organization are what
>promote the "borderlines are more
>intelligent" side of the current debate
>and the disadvantageous/maladaptive
>qualities of the character structure
>promote the other side of the argument.
>In the end, I think we should be just as
>carefully ascribe set qualities to those
>labeled borderline as we do in labeling
>those with certain qualities borderline.

Hi Mark. It's good to see you posting (though hard to imagine that you have time to mess around on the internet!). It's also good to see that you're aware of the degree of caution that has to be applied in making a diagnosis of personality disorder. Where are you doing your residency, and what year are you in?

I think I mentioned that I've met borderlines at Harvard and MIT who were certainly very smart (although sometimes their emotional difficulties got in the way of their academic functioning). I have no doubt that in a different setting I would meet borderlines who are not so smart - it's an incredibly common disorder in all walks of life (probably overdiagnosed, but still common). I don't think intelligence has anything to do with it. No doubt there are sociopaths, narcissists, hysterics, paranoids, etc. who are geniuses, and there are also those who, well, aren't. One doesn't have to be a genius to develop an adaptive hehavior pattern that later ends up being maladaptive, which I guess is what personality disorders are assumed to be.

The original claim was that all borderlines have uniformly high (130+ I believe?) IQs, which seems more absurd than a general remark about "intelligence" would. I find the level of apparent defensiveness surrounding this claim rather baffling.

I think a more interesting question would be whether borderlines are especially *creative*. Obviously this is even harder to define in a clear way than "intelligence," and maybe that is the only thing that makes it harder to answer. I've often heard the words "creative" and "imaginative" used to describe persons prone to dissociation (as many borderlines are), and indeed, sometimes dissociation may seem like an exceptional feat of fantasy. What do you think?

(Something I have never been able to understand: what is a "personality organization" and how is it different from a personality disorder? I'm assuming there is a difference, since the descriptions I've read/heard of BPO are much broader than those of BPD.)

 

Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?

Posted by Carol on May 4, 1999, at 21:10:21

In reply to Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?, posted by Ron on January 31, 1999, at 12:17:21

To Whom It May Concern,
Recently my daughter has been diagnoised with BPD. She has recently got married and moved to NY. She is having problmes in her marriage because of her condition. I am asking for help to help me understand her condition and also so that I can give her all the love and support that I can give. I am holding each and every one of you in my prayers as I am so sad for the nightmare that each of you share. Any information that I can pass on to my daughter would be appreciated. She is curently going to a therapist and he has her Depakote. She was not abused in any way when she was a child and this seems to be what the therapist is indicating. She did have major health problems as a child and major surgery. This is the only trauma she experience she had as a child. Any information would helpful. IN Gods Love
Carol

 

Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?

Posted by Kristin on May 6, 1999, at 17:17:19

In reply to Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?, posted by San on January 6, 1999, at 9:10:06

> I took 40mg of prozac and 1mg. of klon. 2 times
a day. It worked very well, as I did not get tired
but my anxiety was not high. I now take xanax
because my anxiety levels have gotten higher, and
my doc. is probably going to start new meds.
Klon. was an excellent drug while it worked, for
about 3 yrs. Kristin

 

Re: borderlines and intelligence

Posted by Melissa R on May 8, 1999, at 4:06:28

In reply to borderlines and intelligence, posted by Elizabeth on March 10, 1999, at 21:27:51

Borderlines may or may not be intelligent...but I am aware that bipolars (above any other mental illness) are regarded to have higher creativity levels than the norm, as documented in psychologist Kay Redfield Jamison's book, "Touched With Fire", or Patty Duke's book, " A Brilliant Madness". This is evident in my family, as my mother ( BP) is a succesful developer, my brother (BP) is a musician, my sister (BP and OCD) is an artist, and I ( BP and OCD with severe psychosis in the BP) am a writer.

 

Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?

Posted by Melissa R on May 8, 1999, at 4:50:34

In reply to Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?, posted by ron on February 11, 1999, at 10:38:46

I don't mean to be rude, but if you have an IQ greater than 130 you would probably be able to spell more accurately and efficiently. As of now the Princess Anastasia, born of Czar Nicholas is after me so I must flee at once. I have had recurring dreams of his vengeance and have woken to write the story of their lives ( in greater detail than ever, as I have received visions through them and through God in my dreams) A mystical figure enters my room and through algebraic and geometrical equations I undoubtedly become the master of Russia....but I must leave in order to stay within the United States. An X sperm shall unite with my ovum producing a female child, but I fear that a recessive gene may present the baby with some horrible disease and I can't sleep...insomnia, chaos and insanity are all that prevail as I fall into a blithering pit of darkness, collected as cells from a malignant tumor...i shall never survive...and even if I did survival would never be enough - prevalance would be the only acceptable answer.

 

Re: Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?

Posted by moodyblue on July 19, 2002, at 12:46:26

In reply to Any Borderline Personalitys taking anything? Klon?, posted by San on January 6, 1999, at 9:10:06

i was diagnosed with bpd about 4 months ago. they are trying me with counciling. if that doesnt work they are going to precribe medications. (zombie city here i come) they are doubting the success of things because i am also a depression sufferer. i hope all of your treatments are going better then mine are. please if you find something that works let me be informed. ineed the help.
stacia


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