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Re: LOOKIN' FOR Longfellow

Posted by Nancy on January 4, 1999, at 19:09:30

In reply to Re: LOOKIN' FOR YOUR COMPANY RACER, posted by Phil on January 3, 1999, at 11:18:23

> >>>The lowest ebb is the turn of the tide.
> Longfellow
>
oh is that like the old cliche...it's always darkest before the dawn? Gee, how profound. Inspiration at its pinnacle. Hey, wasn't Longfellow Manic-Depressive, too?

 

Re: Dearest Nancy

Posted by Phil on January 4, 1999, at 19:55:11

In reply to Re: LOOKIN' FOR Longfellow, posted by Nancy on January 4, 1999, at 19:09:30

> > >>>The lowest ebb is the turn of the tide.
> > Longfellow
> >
> oh is that like the old cliche...it's always darkest before the dawn? Gee, how profound. Inspiration at its pinnacle. Hey, wasn't Longfellow Manic-Depressive, too?
>>I have been on AD's for 15 years, they are working, thank whoever, and I thought I would
be poetic for a moment. Just because someone TRIES to say something hopeful doesn't mean you have to pitch a fit! Maybe you ought to look into your anger a wee bit. Besides, if Longfellow were manic depressive, WOULDN'T HE KNOW OF DARKNESS AND LIGHT. CHILL OUT!

 

Re: LOOKIN' FOR YOUR COMPANY "V" Nancy's re

Posted by Danielle on January 5, 1999, at 18:04:13

In reply to Re: LOOKIN' FOR YOUR COMPANY "V", posted by Nancy on January 4, 1999, at 19:02:48

Actually, I do know someone who suffered for years from diabetes which progressed from an increasing loss of freedom of movement due to medication issues
to failure of kidneys and excruciating pain of dialysis and restriction to bed because didn't have the energy to lift an arm off the bed and the humiliation of not being able to contribute to the family's income. He eventually chose to end his life, leaving behind a wife and three children. I don't know if he had poetry in his soul but he was one of the bravest men I have ever known. I never heard him speak ill of anyone else's suffering.>
Dear V,
> You have poetry in your soul. I, too, fear the entity taking absolute control as it's done before. It smacks absurdity when "those" people liken our conditions to diabetes or high blood pressure (ha ha ha ha) how insulting. I've never known anyone with diabetes or high blood pressure unable to even lift one arm off the bed for days of trying. Nor have I heard of one of them putting every ounce of energy into concentrating on just trying to stay alive just one more hour...just hold on one more hour...Well, how many hours are we morally required to do this before being allowed to be set free?

 

Re: LOOKIN' FOR YOUR COMPANY "V" Nancy's re

Posted by Danielle on January 5, 1999, at 18:14:26

In reply to Re: LOOKIN' FOR YOUR COMPANY "V" Nancy's re, posted by Danielle on January 5, 1999, at 18:04:13

Oh, and perhaps I should qualify his life and the tragedy of his death. He was an extremely intelligent professional man in the prime of his career and life when it all started going down the tubes for him. Just to separate him from those unimportant unintelligent or average creatures who can't really understand what mental anguish is because their minds are too simple.
Am I flaming, Dr. Bob? No sir, I'm just beginning to simmer.

 

Re: Dearest Nancy

Posted by Nancy on January 5, 1999, at 22:43:05

In reply to Re: Dearest Nancy, posted by Phil on January 4, 1999, at 19:55:11

> > > >>>The lowest ebb is the turn of the tide.
> > > Longfellow
> > >
> > oh is that like the old cliche...it's always darkest before the dawn? Gee, how profound. Inspiration at its pinnacle. Hey, wasn't Longfellow Manic-Depressive, too?
> >>I have been on AD's for 15 years, they are working, thank whoever, and I thought I would
> be poetic for a moment. Just because someone TRIES to say something hopeful doesn't mean you have to pitch a fit! Maybe you ought to look into your anger a wee bit. Besides, if Longfellow were manic depressive, WOULDN'T HE KNOW OF DARKNESS AND LIGHT. CHILL OUT!
Perhaps, I was wrong and you are not poetic. You're just some schmuck with an ego problem.

 

Re: LOOKIN' FOR YOUR COMPANY "V" Nancy's re

Posted by NANCY on January 5, 1999, at 22:46:28

In reply to Re: LOOKIN' FOR YOUR COMPANY "V" Nancy's re, posted by Danielle on January 5, 1999, at 18:14:26

> Oh, and perhaps I should qualify his life and the tragedy of his death. He was an extremely intelligent professional man in the prime of his career and life when it all started going down the tubes for him. Just to separate him from those unimportant unintelligent or average creatures who can't really understand what mental anguish is because their minds are too simple.
> Am I flaming, Dr. Bob? No sir, I'm just beginning to simmer.
AMEN! YOU GO GIRL!!!

 

Re: Dearest Nancy

Posted by phil on January 5, 1999, at 23:30:54

In reply to Re: Dearest Nancy, posted by Nancy on January 5, 1999, at 22:43:05

> > > > >>>The lowest ebb is the turn of the tide.
> > > > Longfellow
> > > >
> > > oh is that like the old cliche...it's always darkest before the dawn? Gee, how profound. Inspiration at its pinnacle. Hey, wasn't Longfellow Manic-Depressive, too?
> > >>I have been on AD's for 15 years, they are working, thank whoever, and I thought I would
> > be poetic for a moment. Just because someone TRIES to say something hopeful doesn't mean you have to pitch a fit! Maybe you ought to look into your anger a wee bit. Besides, if Longfellow were manic depressive, WOULDN'T HE KNOW OF DARKNESS AND LIGHT. CHILL OUT!
> Perhaps, I was wrong and you are not poetic. You're just some schmuck with an ego problem.
>>>Thanks for the encouraging words Nancy. Always love hearing from you.

 

why are we fighting

Posted by v on January 6, 1999, at 4:44:28

In reply to Re: LOOKIN' FOR YOUR COMPANY "V" Nancy's re, posted by Danielle on January 5, 1999, at 18:14:26

we're all here and we all hurt...

why take it out on each other?

v

 

Re: We're on the same page, Annie!

Posted by Nancy on January 6, 1999, at 16:24:34

In reply to Re: Part of my story, posted by Annie on January 3, 1999, at 13:28:00

> Is it coincidence that so many of us are super-achievers before depression cuts us off at the knees? Sometimes previous success and high hopes for a bright future are what make it so much harder as the depression years drag on. When I am patronized by a well-meaning psychiatrist who "didn't know me when", I want to childishly shout "Hey, my IQ is 148 and I coulda been a contender". As if all that matters now. As if he/she would care. Luckily, I have, thus far, been able to contain myself thereby avoiding any other Axis II diagnoses. Alan, your story DID give me a glimmer of hope that this will lift, at least for a while, and just maybe, I'll be able to restore some of my self-respect. Thank you. I'm glad I read you message during a receptive moment.
> To the rest of the folks in this thread: Assuming most of us are not delusional, if we were all to go into remission at the same time, I think we could take over the world! Okay, maybe I am the delusional one. LOL
> >
I too, was a super-achiever. Chemistry degree; National Dean's List (top 0.05percentile nationally), a competetive athlete, volunteer worker, and well you know the story...
Then, over the course of a couple of months I became extremely psychotic and manic. I mean I was not shutting my eyes for more than two months at a time, was never tired and continued graduate research studies in neuroscience. I think this sneaky little bastard that knocked me down from behind was God's idea of a bad joke. Well, ha. Now, let it be over for pete's sake!!!
Let there be no more cliches and mindless patronizing blattering,
Nancy

 

Re: Part of my story

Posted by Nancy on January 6, 1999, at 16:39:13

In reply to Re: Part of my story, posted by Mattias on January 3, 1999, at 15:55:12

> Is it coincidence that so many of us are super-achievers before depression cuts us off at the knees?
> Maybe itīs not a coincidence. I think my depression grew hiddenly in my mind for years because of stress. Iīve always wanted to achieve a "Master of Science" graduation
> since I was kid, because I have always been interested in science. I have always wanted to be "the guy who know science" among my friends and that has
> stress me through the years. I know it sounds silly but I wanted to learn as much as possible, sooner the better. The last year I have become more stressed and more restless
> and I think, that it may have been a BIG factor in the cause of my depression.
> And the fact that when I abondoned The University because of the depression, it stress me even more and depress me even more.

We are who we're supposed to be if what we do makes us feel complete and happy. I don't wish to sound trite or patronizing. I've had to drop back a clas or two now and again to survive. I understand your frustration and anger.
But, I think I finally made it through because, it was a course of study that intrigued me. I felt that it was where I belonged. I know you can set a course and tackle it step by step, even inch by inch, if that's what it takes.
But, do what makes you feel complete and happy. School will still be there when you feel up to it.
Kindred Spirit,
Nancy

 

Re: why are we fighting

Posted by Nancy on January 6, 1999, at 16:49:50

In reply to why are we fighting, posted by v on January 6, 1999, at 4:44:28

> we're all here and we all hurt...
> why take it out on each other?
> v
I can't answer that. All I did was pay someone a
complement for having such a beautiful poetic
spirit. Then, I likened it to a world class poet,
Longfellow. Finally I made the comment that we
are all in good company since Longfellow was
Manic-Depressive, too. That was just a guess I
don't really know if Long fellow suffered as we
all do.

On the brink of darkness,
Nancy

 

Re: need your company,Racer

Posted by Nancy on January 6, 1999, at 17:01:34

In reply to Hey, want some company, Nancy?, posted by racer on January 2, 1999, at 18:32:31

I'm so sad all the time. Well, ewxcept for when I
cycle up into a painful mixed state. No one hears when
I cry out. I know I'm not going to last long.
I attempted suicide New Years Eve. I almost made it, too.
I swallowed a handfull of Seroquel (my antimanic, antipsychotic)
I was comatose when I hit the emergency room.
Racer, I have never felt so at peace, so free of the misery,
light and airy. I really was ready to go. But, I woke up
two days later, intubated and restrained. God, I hate restraints.
Nothing strikes a fierce fight reaction in me other than restraints.
This disorder is like restraints.
too much too long,
Nancy

 

Re: In your interest, Phil

Posted by Nancy on January 6, 1999, at 17:14:44

In reply to Re: LOOKIN' FOR Longfellow, posted by Nancy on January 4, 1999, at 19:09:30

> > >>>The lowest ebb is the turn of the tide.
> > Longfellow
> >
> oh is that like the old cliche...it's always darkest before the dawn? Gee, how profound. Inspiration at its pinnacle. Hey, wasn't Longfellow Manic-Depressive, too?
There aren't many profound, poetic people about. Perhaps, you'd like to reread this statement. Gee, I'd think being told you have a poetic soul was a nice thing to say.
By the way, wasn't I agreeing with you by pulling out an old saying, too (even though I don't know to whom it's attributed
I'm getting tired of having to repeat myself to people over and over and over again. What? Do I not speak English???! I mean come on guys. I don't mind being the brunt of a joke some tims, but this getting picked on is not really fair. You know I come here for help, too
sing it again sam,
Nancy

 

Re: Dearest Nancy

Posted by Nancy on January 6, 1999, at 17:22:41

In reply to Re: Dearest Nancy, posted by phil on January 5, 1999, at 23:30:54

> > > > > >>>The lowest ebb is the turn of the tide.
> > > > > Longfellow
> > > > >
> > > > oh is that like the old cliche...it's always darkest before the dawn? Gee, how profound. Inspiration at its pinnacle. Hey, wasn't Longfellow Manic-Depressive, too?
> > > >>I have been on AD's for 15 years, they are working, thank whoever, and I thought I would
> > > be poetic for a moment. Just because someone TRIES to say something hopeful doesn't mean you have to pitch a fit! Maybe you ought to look into your anger a wee bit. Besides, if Longfellow were manic depressive, WOULDN'T HE KNOW OF DARKNESS AND LIGHT. CHILL OUT!
> > Perhaps, I was wrong and you are not poetic. You're just some schmuck with an ego problem.
> >>>Thanks for the encouraging words Nancy. Always love hearing from you.

Hey, you snapped at me. You also, twisted my words to make them sound different than thier intented meaning. And I don't appreciate it!

 

Re: Mattias in the boat...

Posted by Nancy on January 6, 1999, at 17:41:32

In reply to One more in the boat..., posted by Mattias on January 2, 1999, at 18:36:37

> > My life is in about the same place as yours sounds to be. I'm profoundly depressed, the meds are not working well, and I wish I could see the future. If there really is to be more of this hell, I don't want to be here for it.
> > The medication is not working, though it is helping. But the side effects are unmanageble. I don't even want to eat, because I'm so very nauseous after eating anything at all (dry crackers are enough to set my stomach off.) I constantly feel as though I've stuck my finger in a light socket, which is not pleasant at all. My memory is so very bad that I can't even remember whether I've got the pill bottle open to take the stuff or because I've just taken it, which doesn't make for happy compliance with the treatment plan. I'm sleeping either three disturbed hours or eighteen hours a day. And the wretched doctor available to me is dreadful.
> > I'm also not functional right now. Showering is an accomplishment, and let's not talk about my housekeeping.
> > The only arguably good thing I can point to in my life is that I'm still here. THere is a chance that it can get better, and if it does, I'm here to see it. I'm not even sure that I think that a good thing, but let's pretend.
> > Here's my discovery of the week: THe National Depressive Manic Depressive Association has local support groups that meet in various areas around the country. The people there are very supportive, because they all know how bad it is for them. Yeah, you'll be hanging around with crazy people, but at least they won't think you're weird... It really helped me to be around others who could empathize. The national group has a website, with contact information about local groups. Maybe it would help you, too. How much could it hurt to try it?
> > Good luck, and my best wishes for relief for what that's worth.
> When speaking about the same boat...
> In may this summer I graduated from a school where I read computer
> science. So now I was ready for the University(at laest I thought so).
> In june I a got message from the University which said that I was welcome to begin there. I wanna take a "Master of Science"-degree.
> So in august I moved to an appertment near the new University, which
> is about 120 kilometers from my old school and my old home.
> At the same moment I moved I started to feel breathless, it always
> felt like I was running out of air. My concentration was poor and
> didnīt really recognized myself. I was scared and wondered what the
> hell is wrong with me? The intro-day at the University was three days away and I tried to calm myself down with alcoholics.
> Anyway I survived these three days and I was on the intro-day.
> But I was so anxious, thought I would panic any second.
> It was horrible. So after three -terrible- days in my new apartment,
> iīm moving back to my old home(mom and dad). Well back home I met a
> psydoc who gave the diagnose: Panic disorder an depression.
> The doc gave me Prozac for an eight week trial, but I didnīt
> responded so now I am on Efexor 75mg. a day.
> And thatīs where I am now. I really hope the drugs will help so I
> maybe start it all over next year.

Dear Mattias,
I'm so sorry for your troubles. Feeling panic is disorienting and uncomfortable.
Have you tried Paxil? It is an antidepressant with a calming effect. It's often use to treat anxiety.
Don't give up or get discouraged about your hopes for the future. Scool will still be there when you're ready.
You may want to get a second opinion. I don't know, it's somewhere in something you said that gives me this feeling.
Besides, a second opinion is not a waste of time or money.

 

Re: New year

Posted by MrZest on January 7, 1999, at 9:10:30

In reply to New year, posted by Phil on January 1, 1999, at 11:00:14

All I can say is: I sure am glad I know how to dog-paddle !!!

I'm probably the first person the rich guy would pay the porters to throw overboard anyway. LOL

 

Re: LOOKIN' FOR YOUR COMPANY RACER

Posted by Lisa on January 8, 1999, at 11:40:29

In reply to Re: LOOKIN' FOR YOUR COMPANY RACER, posted by NANCY on January 2, 1999, at 20:19:05

> > My life is in about the same place as yours sounds to be. I'm profoundly depressed, the meds are not working well, and I wish I could see the future. If there really is to be more of this hell, I don't want to be here for it.
> AMEN TO THAT! I CAN'T SEE THE FUTURE. I WENT FROM A SUPER-ACHIEVER TO SOME KIND OF DERILECT. LIKE YOU, SLEEPING IS A GRAND ACHIEVEMENT. ALSO, I WANDER AROUND KNOWING THERE'S SOMETHING I SHOULD BE DOING, BUT I JUST CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS. I FEEL SO LOST AND SCATTERED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M THINKING FROM MINUTE TO MINUTE. THOUGHTS EVAPORATE IN THE WIND.
>
> > The medication is not working, though it is helping. But the side effects are unmanageble. I don't even want to eat, because I'm so very nauseous after eating anything at all (dry crackers are enough to set my stomach off.) I constantly feel as though I've stuck my finger in a light socket, which is not pleasant at all. My memory is so very bad that I can't even remember whether I've got the pill bottle open to take the stuff or because I've just taken it, which doesn't make for happy compliance with the treatment plan. I'm sleeping either three disturbed hours or eighteen hours a day. And the wretched doctor available to me is dreadful.
> > I'm also not functional right now. Showering is an accomplishment, and let's not talk about my housekeeping.
> > The only arguably good thing I can point to in my life is that I'm still here. THere is a chance that it can get better, and if it does, I'm here to see it. I'm not even sure that I think that a good thing, but let's pretend.
> > Here's my discovery of the week: THe National Depressive Manic Depressive Association has local support groups that meet in various areas around the country. The people there are very supportive, because they all know how bad it is for them. Yeah, you'll be hanging around with crazy people, but at least they won't think you're weird... It really helped me to be around others who could empathize. The national group has a website, with contact information about local groups. Maybe it would help you, too. How much could it hurt to try it?
> > Good luck, and my best wishes for relief for what that's worth.
>
> ALSO, LIKE YOU I'VE HAD THE WORST LUCK FINDING THE RIGHT BALANCE OF MEDS. SO, I INSISTED THE MY DOC ORDER ECT FOR ME. DID YOU KNOW THE ECT IS 95%
> EFFECTIVE? WE ONLY GOT IN THREE DAYS OF TREATMENTS BEFORE MY DOC LEFT FOR A TWO WEEK VACATION. BUMMER. THOSE THREE SESSIONS DID IMPROVE MY WELL-BEING. BUT, I WAS SO LOW THAT SAYING I IMPROVED IS SAYING VERY LITTLE. I DON'T WANT TO LIVE WITH THIS AGONIZING MIXED-STATE PAIN DAY IN AND DAY OUT. WORKING ON THE COMPUTER HELPS REFOCUS MY MIND, WHICH HELPS A WEE BIT. BUT, I FEEL HOPELESS, WORTHLESS, WITHOUT A HAPPY, HEALTHY FUTURE. WHEN I WENT COMATOSE, I FELT NO PAIN, NO FEAR, NO SADDNESS. I JUST DRIFTED OFF PEACEFULLY AND CALMLY. I'M GONNA TRY TO HOLD ON UNTIL I RECIEVE THE REST OF MY ECT TREATMENTS. BUT, IF NOTHING HELPS AND I'M DOOMED TO A LIFETIME OF AGONY AND SADDNESS, NOONE IS GOING TO STOP ME. THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL ME HOW TO FEEL. WE PUT DOWN AN ANIMAL WHEN IT IS SUFFERING.
> AM I WORTH LESS THAN A BEAST? WHY DO THEY WANT TO CALL US IMMORAL, ETHICALLY WRONG? WHEN ALL WE WANT IS COMPASSION AND MERCY? DO WE NOT DESERVE TO BE TREATED AT LEAST AS WELL AS ANIMALS?????
> ALIVE FOR NOW,
> NANCY

Nancy:
I have to agree with everything you've said. I too am plagued with depression and I think that no one can understand the pain that it causes a person.
I wake up everyday wondering if someday I will be better. All I can say is hang on, it has to get better. At least in my case I hope so because if not I don't think I can last
much longer.

 

Re: Dearest Nancy

Posted by Tess on January 8, 1999, at 18:45:18

In reply to Re: Dearest Nancy, posted by phil on January 5, 1999, at 23:30:54


What is wrong with you people??? I have suffered from a mood disorder all of my life...that would be 48 years, but I never thought it gave me the right to vent my anger towards anyone. There are times when the medications work and I feel human and there are times when it does not and the pain is excruciating and I cannot get out of bed. Though I may be impatient with those who do not understand what mood disorders are all about, I simply keep my distance if their attitude bothers me. But to lash out, especially at fellow sufferers, never seemed an option. Though I suppose that anger can be part of the chemical imbalance. Still, it is sad to see this angry sarcasm.

> > > > > >>>The lowest ebb is the turn of the tide.
> > > > > Longfellow
> > > > >
> > > > oh is that like the old cliche...it's always darkest before the dawn? Gee, how profound. Inspiration at its pinnacle. Hey, wasn't Longfellow Manic-Depressive, too?
> > > >>I have been on AD's for 15 years, they are working, thank whoever, and I thought I would
> > > be poetic for a moment. Just because someone TRIES to say something hopeful doesn't mean you have to pitch a fit! Maybe you ought to look into your anger a wee bit. Besides, if Longfellow were manic depressive, WOULDN'T HE KNOW OF DARKNESS AND LIGHT. CHILL OUT!
> > Perhaps, I was wrong and you are not poetic. You're just some schmuck with an ego problem.
> >>>Thanks for the encouraging words Nancy. Always love hearing from you.

 

Re: LOOKIN' FOR Longfellow (I found him :)

Posted by Janice on January 9, 1999, at 2:18:13

In reply to Re: LOOKIN' FOR Longfellow, posted by Nancy on January 4, 1999, at 19:09:30

> > >>>The lowest ebb is the turn of the tide.
> > Longfellow
> >
> oh is that like the old cliche...it's always
darkest before the dawn? Gee, how profound.
Inspiration at its pinnacle. Hey, wasn't
Longfellow Manic-Depressive, too?


I wasn't looking for Longfellow, but, today, I
happened to run across a printout of some of his
poems and happened to find the poem in question
that has caused fur to fly here. This is it :

LOSS AND GAIN (from Ultima Thule, Part II)

When I compare
What I have lost with what I have gained,
What I have missed with what attained,
Little room do I find for pride.

I am aware
How many days have been idly spent;
How like an arrow the good intent
Has fallen short or been turned aside.

But who shall dare
To measure loss and gain in this wise?
Defeat may be victory in disguise;
The lowest ebb is the turn of the tide.


Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

Please, don't flame me. I'm just sharing the
poem in it's entirety for those who have never
read it before (like myself). I have no intent
of implying anything. Peace, love, and
occassionally, a little happiness.

 

Re: LOOKIN' FOR Longfellow (I found him :)

Posted by Tess on January 9, 1999, at 7:13:38

In reply to Re: LOOKIN' FOR Longfellow (I found him :) , posted by Janice on January 9, 1999, at 2:18:13

I for one appreciate this Janice. Thank you for sharing it, for it speaks to me. I think we all need to remember that the kind of pain we suffer brings out in us something from the deepest darkest places and it is not always kind or pretty.

I have been on Celexa, 20mg, for a few weeks now after going off Zolft, 50mg, due to joint and muscle aches. I have tried at least a dozen medications and have suffered horrible side effects. So far the Celexa seems to be working but I never like to speak too soon. I just do not want to relapse.


> > >>>The lowest ebb is the turn of the tide.
> > > Longfellow
> > >
> > oh is that like the old cliche...it's always
> darkest before the dawn? Gee, how profound.
> Inspiration at its pinnacle. Hey, wasn't
> Longfellow Manic-Depressive, too?
>
> I wasn't looking for Longfellow, but, today, I
> happened to run across a printout of some of his
> poems and happened to find the poem in question
> that has caused fur to fly here. This is it :
> LOSS AND GAIN (from Ultima Thule, Part II)
> When I compare
> What I have lost with what I have gained,
> What I have missed with what attained,
> Little room do I find for pride.
> I am aware
> How many days have been idly spent;
> How like an arrow the good intent
> Has fallen short or been turned aside.
> But who shall dare
> To measure loss and gain in this wise?
> Defeat may be victory in disguise;
> The lowest ebb is the turn of the tide.
>
> Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> Please, don't flame me. I'm just sharing the
> poem in it's entirety for those who have never
> read it before (like myself). I have no intent
> of implying anything. Peace, love, and
> occassionally, a little happiness.

 

Re: LOOKIN' FOR Longfellow (I found him :)

Posted by pej on January 9, 1999, at 7:22:41

In reply to Re: LOOKIN' FOR Longfellow (I found him :) , posted by Janice on January 9, 1999, at 2:18:13

> > > >>>The lowest ebb is the turn of the tide.
> > > Longfellow
> > >
> > oh is that like the old cliche...it's always
> darkest before the dawn? Gee, how profound.
> Inspiration at its pinnacle. Hey, wasn't
> Longfellow Manic-Depressive, too?
>
> I wasn't looking for Longfellow, but, today, I
> happened to run across a printout of some of his
> poems and happened to find the poem in question
> that has caused fur to fly here. This is it :
> LOSS AND GAIN (from Ultima Thule, Part II)
> When I compare
> What I have lost with what I have gained,
> What I have missed with what attained,
> Little room do I find for pride.
> I am aware
> How many days have been idly spent;
> How like an arrow the good intent
> Has fallen short or been turned aside.
> But who shall dare
> To measure loss and gain in this wise?
> Defeat may be victory in disguise;
> The lowest ebb is the turn of the tide.
>
> Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> Please, don't flame me. I'm just sharing the
> poem in it's entirety for those who have never
> read it before (like myself). I have no intent
> of implying anything. Peace, love, and
> occassionally, a little happiness.

>>Hey Janice, I put the quote up originally and had no intent of starting what started! Anyway,
thanks for the whole poem, it's very good. I had gottenthe quote out of an Adult Children of Alcoholics book I have. Peace sounds good to me to.

 

Re: LOOKIN' FOR Longfellow (I found him :)

Posted by MrZest on January 9, 1999, at 7:41:46

In reply to Re: LOOKIN' FOR Longfellow (I found him :) , posted by Janice on January 9, 1999, at 2:18:13

I found this quote today while looking at fonts.

"What garlic is to food, insanity is to art"

No author was given. I quite agree with the statement though.
Without a bit of insanity even art would be sterile.
I know I have self medicated with creating for most of my life, and I cannot but wonder if every artist does so as well, possibly unknowingly.

 

Re: LOOKIN' FOR Longfellow (I found him :)

Posted by v on January 9, 1999, at 9:33:55

In reply to Re: LOOKIN' FOR Longfellow (I found him :) , posted by Janice on January 9, 1999, at 2:18:13

thank you so much for posting the whole poem... it was a thoughtful pleasure to read

blessings,
v

 

Re: LOOKIN' FOR Longfellow (I found him :) Re: Mr

Posted by alan on January 9, 1999, at 10:59:55

In reply to Re: LOOKIN' FOR Longfellow (I found him :) , posted by MrZest on January 9, 1999, at 7:41:46

> I found this quote today while looking at fonts.
> "What garlic is to food, insanity is to art"
> No author was given. I quite agree with the statement though.
> Without a bit of insanity even art would be sterile.
> I know I have self medicated with creating for most of my life, and I cannot but wonder if every artist does so as well, possibly unknowingly.

B.F. Skinner was basically against art. So was Plato. Maybe they had a point!

 

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Posted by alan on January 9, 1999, at 11:07:24

In reply to Re: LOOKIN' FOR Longfellow (I found him :) Re: Mr, posted by alan on January 9, 1999, at 10:59:55

> > I found this quote today while looking at fonts.
Last subject shoul've ended; Re: Mr. Zest.


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