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A important explanation of the word-pharmkeia-(3)

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 9:34:57

In reply to A important explanation of the word-pharmkeia-(2), posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 9:25:51

Friends,
Now marijuana evidence has been discovered in tombs thousands of years old and has been used to alter the minds of paid murders thousnds of years ago. The word "assassin" comes from the name of the marijuana used back then called "hashish." The ancient Sumarians used opium thousands of years ago. Now I am getting to the use of the word,"pharmakeia" by the Rider in reference to drug use and these pharmakeians being cast into the lake of fire which the Rider said is the second death.
Lou

 

A important explanation of the word-pharmkeia-(4)

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 9:59:53

In reply to A important explanation of the word-pharmkeia-(3), posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 9:34:57

Friends,
I found out in my reserch about the Greek word-pharmakeia, that the word appears in the bible as the word, "sorcerer". And in my reserch I found out that a "sorcerer" was someone going back 3000 years or more, that used drugs to alter a person's mind. Hallucinogenic drugs such as marijuana, halluciogenic mushrooms, opium, and other substances were avaiable to the anciant peoples. And a dirivative of cocain has been found in the body of an Egyptian mummy over 3000 years old sugessting that Egyptians of that era travled to South America and brought back the cocoa leaves, since the cocoa plant is not native to Egypt. But, the plant could have florished in Egypt 3000 years ago. There is evidence that the ancient Egyptians used drugs for medicine and pain relief. In my study of the word pharmakeia, the use of drugs to relieve pain is not grouped with the use of drugs to alter the mind. In my reserch of the use of the word "pharmakeia", I have found that the use of the word, as translated "sorcerer" is confined to the use of drugs to alter the mind in a spacific manner.
Lou

 

A important explanation of the word-pharmkeia-(5)

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 10:50:55

In reply to A important explanation of the word-pharmkeia-(4), posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 9:59:53

Friends,
In my study of the word,"pharmakeia", I wanted to know what the Rider was referring to when He said that the pharmakeia would be cast into the Lake of Fire which is the second death. I reserched and found out that there are religions, historically, that requirere one to take mood or mind-altering drugs in order to communicate with their diety. So I remebererd when I had asked the Rider when I was in te City of Peace who the pharmakeia were. He said, "Walk in he spirit, not in the flesh, for these are contrary to one another." I asked, "What are the works of the flesh?" He answered, "The works of the flesh are: adultery, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jelous outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, envy, murders, drunkenness, and those that practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God. For the fruit of the spirit is love, joy , peace, longsuffeing, kindnes, gentleness, self-control, and if you are living in the spirit, walk in the spirit and you will not fullfill the lust of the flesh."
Lou

 

important explanation of the word-pharmakeia-(5)

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 11:52:43

In reply to A important explanation of the word-pharmkeia-(5), posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 10:50:55

Friends,
In my research and rememberance of my experiance, I found some other meanings of the word "pharmakeia" and who the "pharmakeia" are that are cast into the Lake of Fire which is the second death.
When I heard The Word of God, He said to me, "Some of you were once sorcerers, but when you changed your mind to having the mind of God, you were cleansed of your past and you are a whole new creation and your old self has passed away. Put on the new man and have the mind of God in you and you will ovrcome the works of the flesh. He who overcomes will receive the Crown of Life."
Lou

 

important explanation of the word-pharmakeia-(6)

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 12:48:37

In reply to important explanation of the word-pharmakeia-(5), posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 11:52:43

Friends,
I asked the Rider for some further explanation about "sorcerers" and the lake of fire, for I considered it to be a very serious matter and I did no want to be cast into the lake of fire. He said to me, "Lou, make your body a living sacrifice to God. And be not conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind and put on the new man which was created in rightiousness and holiness."
Lou

 

Lou

Posted by Cam W. on October 11, 2002, at 13:07:43

In reply to important explanation of the word-pharmakeia-(6), posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 12:48:37

Where is this drama taking place. Is itplaying out in a physical place? Is all this happening in your mind. I am very curious as to which physical senses you are/were using when you had this revelation. Where were you (physically) when these revelations occurred to you (eg. while asleep; just upon waking or falling asleep; at work; in the middle of the street; etc.)

Sorry, I am still trying to figure out why the story is written in a style similar to that used by many of the organized religious sects of the world, but the message is not supposed to be religious? Could you help me with this?

Oh, and could you answer in one post; I find clicking from post to post very annoying. Thanks, Cam.

 

The Rider's answer to taking mind--altering drugs

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 13:12:42

In reply to important explanation of the word-pharmakeia-(6), posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 12:48:37

Friends,
I asked the Word of God what an alterative would be to taking mood or mind-altering drugs. He answered, "If you be in tribulation, seek God with all your heart and you will find Him. And be obediant to His voice and He will not forsake you. For each day you have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: thearfore choose life, for God is life."
Lou

 

Cam's questions-where the exprince is taking place » Cam W.

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 13:42:09

In reply to Lou, posted by Cam W. on October 11, 2002, at 13:07:43

CamW,
I am glad that you are interested in the experiance that I have been posting here. Your first question is where is the experiance taking place.
The experiance is a spiritual experiance. But there were times when I was , let's say, "out of the body." It was real to me and know that I can not take you personally to witness the things that I have told here. For other's experiances will be different from mine. I have not finished the Road to the Crown of life yet, but for your information, we were on motorcycles and I think that only one person saw that here. The Rider on theWhite Horse was riding a pearl-white Harley-Davidson and I , a stunning 1950 TRIUMPH T-100 speed twin. We were bikers, and were ld to the City of Peace by the Rider. I havn't yet told of arriving at the City. But others may see the Rider in a different settng.
Lou

 

The Lake of Fire » lou pilder

Posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 16:34:17

In reply to Lou's answer to CamW's post-part 2, posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 8:28:01

Friends,
Recently, I posted referrence to The Lake of Fire. And I was told in my experiance by the Word of God that sorcerers, liars, murderers, etc. were cast into the lake of Fire which is the second death.
I have not finished explaining what all I have found out about who the pharmakia are. But I was told by the Word of God that the people cast into the lake of fire were those that spiritually belonged in those groups as well as those that actually commited the acts, for the Rider said that if someone hated another in his heart, he was a murderer, and if someone lusted upon another's wife, in his heart, he was an adulterer, spiritually. That revelation that was given to me caused me to admit that I belonged in the group that would be cast into the Lake of Fire, even though I never actually killed anyone or committed adultery. But the good news is that it was revealed to me by the Word of God that your past can be forgiven when you forgive others and you forgive yourself and have your mind changed to God's mind.
Lou

 

Re: Lou's answer to CamW's post « Cam W.

Posted by Dr. Bob on October 11, 2002, at 16:37:13

In reply to Lou's answer to CamW's post » Cam W., posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 7:43:41

[Posted by Cam W. on October 11, 2002, at 13:11:01]

> .... Yet today, I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the earth.
> > Lou
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> Why is that, Lou?
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> - Cam
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Re: blocked for 4 weeks » Cam W.

Posted by Dr. Bob on October 11, 2002, at 23:14:39

In reply to Lou, posted by Cam W. on October 11, 2002, at 13:07:43

> Where is this drama taking place. Is itplaying out in a physical place? Is all this happening in your mind. I am very curious as to which physical senses you are/were using when you had this revelation. Where were you (physically) when these revelations occurred to you (eg. while asleep; just upon waking or falling asleep; at work; in the middle of the street; etc.)
>
> Sorry, I am still trying to figure out why the story is written in a style similar to that used by many of the organized religious sects of the world, but the message is not supposed to be religious? Could you help me with this?
>
> Oh, and could you answer in one post; I find clicking from post to post very annoying.

Please be supportive and don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused. The last time you were blocked it was for 2 weeks, so this time I'm making it for 4.

Bob

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The Lake of Fire (2)

Posted by lou pilder on October 12, 2002, at 11:50:36

In reply to The Lake of Fire » lou pilder, posted by lou pilder on October 11, 2002, at 16:34:17

Friends,
The 7th Gate revealed that it is requirerd for one to change their mind to God's mind in order to go through the Gate, which leads to the City of Peace. Some of our group were taking prescribed drugs that were mood or mind altering and they wanted to know if that would prevent them from entering the City of Peace. The following is the answer given by the Rider, who is the Word of God.
Lou

 

The Lake of Fire (3)

Posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 11:03:22

In reply to The Lake of Fire (2), posted by lou pilder on October 12, 2002, at 11:50:36

Friends,
The Rider answered, "Blessed are those that do God's commandments, that they may have the right to the Tree of Life, and may enter through the Gates of the City. But outside are the adulterers and the pharmakon and murderers and idolaters and those that love and practice a lie."
Lou

 

Re: The Lake of Fire (4)

Posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 11:24:48

In reply to The Lake of Fire (3), posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 11:03:22

Friends,
The Rider said that the "pharmakon" would not enter the City of Peace. I reserched the Greek word and found out that it referred to the people that made, or gave drugs to people in the ancient times around 2-4 thousand years ago for the purpose of altering their minds, not to releive pain or cure disease. The people that made or sold or gave the drugs to people were called sorcerers or witchcraft people in the middle ages, not only the people that took the drugs.
Lou

 

The Lake of Fire (5)

Posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 11:58:25

In reply to Re: The Lake of Fire (4), posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 11:24:48

Friends,
The Rider continued, "God will open the Gates that the rightious people which keeps the truth may enter in. God will keep him in perfect peace, whose Mind is stayed on Him. Trust the Lord forever, for in God there is everlasting strength.
Those that wait on the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings like eagles, they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint."
Lou

 

The Lake of Fire (6)

Posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 19:58:58

In reply to The Lake of Fire (5), posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 11:58:25

Friends,
The question of if someone was taking prescribed drugs that are mood or mind-altering could cause them to be cast into the lake of fire was still asked by some to the Rider. He answered, "You are not to be drunk with wine, but be filled with the Spirit of God. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: thearfore let us cast off the works of darkness and let us put on the armor of light. Let us walk honestly in the day, not in drunkenness nor in strife. But put on the Mind of God and make no provision for the flesh to fullfill its lusts.
Lou

 

The Lake of Fire (7)

Posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 20:14:59

In reply to The Lake of Fire (6), posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 19:58:58

Friends,
Then one asked the Rider again about the use of prescribed mood or mind-altering drugs. The Rider answered, "And now, friends, what does God require of you, but to fear Him, to walk in all His ways, and to love Him, and serve Him with All your heart and All your soul and to keep His comandments which are for your good?"
Lou

 

The Lake of Fire (8)

Posted by lou pilder on October 14, 2002, at 8:33:15

In reply to The Lake of Fire (7), posted by lou pilder on October 13, 2002, at 20:14:59

Friends,
One said that she took drugs because other people did bad things to her. The Rider answered,"Fret not yourself because of evildoers, nor be envious of the workers of iniquity. For they will be cut down like he grass. Trust in the Lord and do good and delight yourself in the Lord and He shall give you the desires of your heart.
Commit your way to the Lord and Trust in Him. He shall bring forth your rightiousness as the light and your justice as the noonday.
Rest in the Lord, and wait paitiantly for Him; Do not fret because of him who prospers in his way.
Cease from anger, and forsake wrath; For evildoers shall be cut off; But those that wait on the Lord, They shall inherit the earth and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."
Lou

 

The Lake of Fire (9)

Posted by lou pilder on October 14, 2002, at 17:31:08

In reply to The Lake of Fire (8), posted by lou pilder on October 14, 2002, at 8:33:15

Friends,
The Rider was still being questioned about whether or not the use of prescribed drugs that altered the mind or mood were going to keep someone from going through the 7th Gate to the City of Peace or not.
The Rider answered, "Your body is the temple of the spirit of God. If you put something in your body that is harmful to the body, then that is wrong and you are the temple of the living God. As God has said, 'I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their God and they shall be My people."
Then one said,"Our govenment has approved these drugs." The Rider answered, "Whose picture is on your dollar bill?" One answered, "Washington." The Rider answered, "Render unto Washington what is Washington's, and render unto God what is God's."
Lou

 

The Lake of Fire (10)

Posted by Lou Pilder on October 15, 2002, at 10:47:41

In reply to The Lake of Fire (9), posted by lou pilder on October 14, 2002, at 17:31:08

Friend,
One in our group, who was a lawyer, asked the Rider what kind of Mind it is that is the Mind of God. The lawyer said to the Rider, "What shall I do to inherit eternal life?" The Rider answered, "What is written in the law and what is your reading of it?"
The lawyer answered and said, "You shall love your Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strengh, and with all your Mind, and your neighbor as yourself."
The Rider answered and said, "You have answered rightly; do this and you will live."
But the lawyer then said to the Rider, "And who is my neighbor?"
The rider answered, "A man was travleng and stopped at a rest area on the expressway and was accosted by theives that beat him and left him half dead. Then a man pulled in dressed in religious garb and saw the man and kept going. Then a man in a suit and tie came in the rest area and saw the man and also kept going. But then a man that was of a hated ethnos by the world came by and when he saw him he had compassion on him and bandaged his wounds and helped him back into his car and drove to a motel and took care of him and paid for the lodging and gave him 2 days of his own pay when he departed and told the clerk at the desk to put any further charges for the man on his VISA card. So which of the 3 was neighbor to him that fell among the thieves?"
Then the lawyer said, "He who showed mercy on him."
The Rider said to the lawyer, "Go and do likewise."
Lou

 

Re: The Lake of Fire (11)

Posted by Lou Pilder on October 16, 2002, at 6:50:09

In reply to The Lake of Fire (10), posted by Lou Pilder on October 15, 2002, at 10:47:41

Friends,
There was still those wanting to know if they could take prescribed drugs that altered the mood or mind and be able to enter The City of Peace. One said, "I can do anything that I want, there is no God." The Rider turned to us and said, "Only a fool, in his heart, says that there is no God."
Lou

 

Re: please be civil » Lou Pilder

Posted by Dr. Bob on October 16, 2002, at 10:39:50

In reply to Re: The Lake of Fire (11), posted by Lou Pilder on October 16, 2002, at 6:50:09

> The Rider turned to us and said, "Only a fool, in his heart, says that there is no God."

Please remember to respect the views of others, even if you think they're wrong, and not to post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down, thanks.

Bob

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Re: The Word of God-the Rider unveiled-part 2

Posted by rayww on November 23, 2002, at 17:59:31

In reply to The Word of God-the Rider unveiled-part 2, posted by Lou Pilder on October 2, 2002, at 12:28:11

> Friends,
> The Rider continued, " In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God and the Word was God.All things were made by The Word of God.In Him was life and the light of men.
> I am The Logos of God. My Spirit can dwell in you and you can have the mind of God."
> Lou

http://scriptures.lds.org/john/1/1#1

Lou, You tell your story in themes that follow and even quote the New Testament, yet you also say somewhere you are Jewish. Who are you?

Bipolar spiritual cycle is like walking along a branch of a large tree. You walk to the end of the branch and instead of it breaking off, the branch keeps on growing as you walk, while at the same time becoming more and more fragile. You keep going until you feel you are in the "in-between" place. At some point you decide to leap from the branch into heaven, only instead of going up, you crash to the ground.

In a rather startling reality those around you start telling you about the delusionary ideas you have been talking about and they send you to a doctor for analysis. Then they send you to a Bishop to have your spirituality analyzed. All this time you think you are living in the world's greatest sphere and are enlightened with the world's greatest visionary ideas.

A course correction is like a step back in time. The vision is yours to keep, and the understanding your most precious gift, yet to admit you are suffering from a bipolar dillusion or that you need to go on medication, is such a blow. You then begin to doubt the validity of all of your ideas, and even wonder about your whole life to that point. It takes good and trusting friends to help rein in the horse and turn it around. It may not happen until medication brings the branch into perspective.

I used the analagy of the branch so you could visualize a large tree with one solitary branch extending out into nowhere.

Rather than travel out on one limb, I encourage you to focus more on balance. Think of the tree and what some of the other branches might represent. Perhaps you could try to focus on things like family, eating right, getting enough sleep, seeing your doctor, taking your medication, drinking less of unhealthy things and more water, taking a walk, looking at nature, finding a nice tree. There are many things you could use to occupy your mind. Do you have a favorite river or mountain or tree?

I hope Dr. Bob doesn't think I am putting you down or judging you. I appreciated your kind words to me, and in return I have tried to read some of your posts and respond in a positive way to you. Your contributions to this board will be accepted and appreciated when you can visualize the whole tree. Psycho Babble is like a large growing tree with lots of branches. But don't forget, if the branch doesn't feed the root with light, the root will not be able to feed the branches with nutrient. We want to make a strong tree here, with all the branches and roots strong.

 

Re: The Word of God-the Rider unveiled-part 2 » rayww

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 23, 2002, at 18:26:35

In reply to Re: The Word of God-the Rider unveiled-part 2, posted by rayww on November 23, 2002, at 17:59:31

rayww,
For the past 11 months, I have been telling of the experince that I had that enabled me to overcome depression and addiction. My experiance started when I wa in psychotic depression as described also by numerous posters here.
When I opened the first Gate, I was taken across a Great Gulf by way of a narrow bridge. There was a figure on a White Horse waiting for me on the other side. The one side that I was on was the earthly side of man, and the other side was the spiritual side of man. I crossed over to a spiritual existance and I am describing what I experianceed. In my experiance, I had an encounter with The Word of God, who is a Rider on a White Horse hving many crowns as you have mentioned. The Word of God is spiritual, and can only be understood spiritually.
Lou

 

Lou's response to rayww's post -part 2

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 23, 2002, at 18:52:47

In reply to Re: The Word of God-the Rider unveiled-part 2, posted by rayww on November 23, 2002, at 17:59:31

rayww,
The major part of my experiance that I am reiterating here involves my hope that someone reading it will also be able to overcome their affliction by reading about my experiance. It may not be today, or tomorrow, but ,perhaps, sometime in their life.
You see, it was revealed to me that our nature that we are born with is physical and we have a war going on in us as I have recently told of my experiance with four horses . And we will die. But it was revealed to me that a tranformation can occur and we can receive a new nature that will not ever die and this new nature gives us the power to overcome the waring nature in us so that we have peace.
Ths process requiers that we put off the old man and take on a new man. This means that we have to become a whole new creature.
I have been describing how that happened to me. It hapenend when I first separated myself from the conformity of the world. Then I followed a light. As I followed the light, as He walked in the light, I experiance a cleansing that enabled me to overcome. The Road is the following of the light.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... and in Him was Life; and the Life was the Light of men.
Lou


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