Psycho-Babble Administration Thread 803345

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Phillipa

Posted by your#1fan on December 30, 2007, at 22:48:09

babblemail, whats going on here? where the controversy?

Phillipa is the most best person i've known for a long time. Please treat her nice please, because she's always been behind my posts everytime i need help.

Thanks )))

fan

 

Re: Phillipa » your#1fan

Posted by star008 on December 31, 2007, at 8:53:43

In reply to Phillipa, posted by your#1fan on December 30, 2007, at 22:48:09

takes awhile but you have to read back and figure it out.

 

Am awfully confused but.....

Posted by Kath on January 1, 2008, at 19:55:18

In reply to Re: Phillipa » your#1fan, posted by star008 on December 31, 2007, at 8:53:43

would like to go on record as saying that to me, it seems like Phillipa is one of the most supportive, kind, caring, generous folks here on Babble.

I'll be glad when this is all over (whatever 'this' is - haven't been able to figure it out!)

Kath

 

Re: Am awfully confused but..... » Kath

Posted by star008 on January 2, 2008, at 7:41:28

In reply to Am awfully confused but....., posted by Kath on January 1, 2008, at 19:55:18

it appears that Philipa got blocked for a week for saying something administration didn't like.. made no sense to me but people are telling me it was more that just one thng she did that they didn't like.. i think they should have clarified their reasons rather just pick out somethng to block her with.. I think blocks are damaging and cause pain..I would reserve them for more severe infractions of the rules.

 

Re: Am awfully confused but..... » star008

Posted by Phillipa on January 2, 2008, at 11:42:45

In reply to Re: Am awfully confused but..... » Kath, posted by star008 on January 2, 2008, at 7:41:28

Star just wanted to thank-you as I'm really confused too maybe Dr. Bob could explain for us all what a generalization is and what words to use to avoid problems like this in the future. You have been very supportive and I thank-you sincerely from the bottom of my heart. I've wanted to reply to you for your support but didn't know how. Thanks again Love Phillipa

 

Re: Am awfully confused but..... » Phillipa

Posted by star008 on January 2, 2008, at 15:44:19

In reply to Re: Am awfully confused but..... » star008, posted by Phillipa on January 2, 2008, at 11:42:45

You are welcome Phillipa.. I had to stick up for you cause I had a sense of how badly this hurt you. I am sorry you got hurt

 

Re: Am awfully confused but..... » star008

Posted by Phillipa on January 2, 2008, at 18:23:13

In reply to Re: Am awfully confused but..... » Phillipa, posted by star008 on January 2, 2008, at 15:44:19

I think a lot of people feel anothers pain bet you're in the helping profession. Am I right not try to be nosey you just seem very compassionate. Phillipa

 

Re: Am awfully confused but..... » Phillipa

Posted by star008 on January 2, 2008, at 21:45:29

In reply to Re: Am awfully confused but..... » star008, posted by Phillipa on January 2, 2008, at 18:23:13

I do feel others pain Phillipa. Probably because I have had so much myself that I have empathy for others.. I am in a helping profession..Very perceptive.
Not in mental health, but I work in a hospital and dealing with many depressed and dying people.
I hope you are okay now that you are back.. When i get a chance i will babblemail you my email address in case you ever get blocked again and need to talk

 

Re: Am awfully confused but..... » star008

Posted by Phillipa on January 3, 2008, at 20:09:20

In reply to Re: Am awfully confused but..... » Phillipa, posted by star008 on January 2, 2008, at 21:45:29

Thank-you could spot that caring attitude right off. Phillipa

 

I might be able to shed a little light

Posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 9:59:15

In reply to Re: Am awfully confused but..... » star008, posted by Phillipa on January 2, 2008, at 11:42:45

Not as much as I'd like, but a little.

The evolution of the generalization rule has come about from Dr. Bob receiving posters' impressions that the overall tone of the medication board was becoming rather negative, and that many posters are finding it difficult to post because of that. Dr. Bob understands that problem and is trying to address it. Like many a judiciary before him, he's using evolving interpretations of existing law to address it. (Although as Babble lawmaker, he could have chosen other options.)

I've made my opinion of this solution known, and I wish Dr. Bob would be more explicit when he starts doing this, instead of leaving people to infer from his actions what the expectations are.

I think it would be great if posters gave input into different solutions to the perceived problem, so that maybe a different course of action can be undertaken.

I suppose there might also be discussion as to whether there *is* a problem, but from my prior experience, I'd guess that would be less productive in terms of actual changes than proposing alternate solutions might be.

And in all resulting discussions, a reminder to keep it civil? Both in terms of discussing the problem and possible solution, and in discussing Dr. Bob. If at all possible, please do not use examples that could identify any particular poster, or that would lead some or many posters to feel accused or put down.

 

Re: I might be able to shed a little light » Dinah

Posted by Phillipa on January 4, 2008, at 16:03:37

In reply to I might be able to shed a little light, posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 9:59:15

Dinah I'll be first. If you have been on a lot of meds is it going to be okay to say what your experience on them was even if it was a short time you used the med. Also what about posting from google? The sites on a med you may find that explain a med? Just some quick thoughts. And if a poster receives no replies okay to welcome to babble and say hopefully someone with the answer will soon pop on? Something like that. Love Phillipa

 

Re: I might be able to shed a little light » Phillipa

Posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 17:00:52

In reply to Re: I might be able to shed a little light » Dinah, posted by Phillipa on January 4, 2008, at 16:03:37

I don't think welcomes to babble are frowned on by Dr. Bob.

And I don't think generalizations include discussing your own experiences with a drug. For example, saying "My experience with Effexor was not positive." would be ok, while saying "Effexor is no good for anyone" would not be.

 

to Phillipa

Posted by sdb on January 4, 2008, at 17:24:19

In reply to Re: I might be able to shed a little light » Phillipa, posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 17:00:52

great you're back Phillipa, as I said, you're welcome and people like you :-)

warm regards

sdb

 

Re: I might be able to shed a little light » Dinah

Posted by Phillipa on January 4, 2008, at 18:22:36

In reply to Re: I might be able to shed a little light » Phillipa, posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 17:00:52

Excellent makes perfect sence to me and thanks sdb. Love Phillipa

 

Re: I might be able to shed a little light » Dinah

Posted by Glydin on January 5, 2008, at 10:54:47

In reply to I might be able to shed a little light, posted by Dinah on January 4, 2008, at 9:59:15

> Not as much as I'd like, but a little.
>
> The evolution of the generalization rule has come about from Dr. Bob receiving posters' impressions that the overall tone of the medication board was becoming rather negative, and that many posters are finding it difficult to post because of that. Dr. Bob understands that problem and is trying to address it.


~~~ If Dr. Bob is trying to address an "issue" on the med board, I would like to know what his thoughts are regarding how it could be addressed.

Also, just as a slight aside, it can be difficult to talk about a problem, pet peeve, irritation, annoyance etc.... if there are only very few posters preceived to be engaging in the behavior that is "bothersome". One can be very very careful in wording and use generic situations but it can still be difficult to not tie it to certain posters. Even if one is proactive and posts a potential solution or intervention, well, the "behavior" still can be identified to a poster(s).

 

Re: I might be able to shed a little light » Glydin

Posted by Dinah on January 5, 2008, at 10:59:18

In reply to Re: I might be able to shed a little light » Dinah, posted by Glydin on January 5, 2008, at 10:54:47

I suggested to Dr. Bob that it might be better for him to post this, but he said it would be quicker if I did.

Next time I'll wait for him.

 

Re: » Dinah

Posted by Glydin on January 5, 2008, at 11:58:37

In reply to Re: I might be able to shed a little light » Glydin, posted by Dinah on January 5, 2008, at 10:59:18

> I suggested to Dr. Bob that it might be better for him to post this, but he said it would be quicker if I did.
>
> Next time I'll wait for him.

~~~ I'm glad you did post.... I would like to see a more "balanced" view there but I'm not sure how that would be achieved. As one in recovery on meds, I have felt (and literally been inquired of in emails) the attitude of: "If you're content with your meds and you're doing so well, why are you posting...?" That "feel" as to what I preceived as the flavor of the med board is unsettling to me. It makes me feel unaccepted. Thus, I post very rarely.

 

Re: » Glydin

Posted by Dinah on January 5, 2008, at 12:05:05

In reply to Re: » Dinah, posted by Glydin on January 5, 2008, at 11:58:37

Thank you, Glydin.

I think that's Dr. Bob's concern. And while I can see that it has led people to feel reluctant to post, I'm not sure that the overgeneralization rule is the best way to address it. The problem is that I don't have any idea what is.

 

Re: » Dinah

Posted by Phillipa on January 5, 2008, at 12:41:47

In reply to Re: » Glydin, posted by Dinah on January 5, 2008, at 12:05:05

I feel still and rather strongly that a board for successes would give much needed hope to others that they too can improve or is it allowed to achieve wellness? I know I'd love to hear those who have achieved wellness encourage others . As the thought of adding med after med is very depressing to me. That is my thought. Like cheerleaders or is that a generalization? I think I mean just go you can do it. Is that civil and within the guidelines? If not apology in advance. And once I hit the trigger to post I will be judged on the content so please see it as a helpful suggestion. I mean it to be. Thank-you kindly Phillipa

 

Re: I might be able to shed a little light » Dinah

Posted by seldomseen on January 5, 2008, at 13:26:23

In reply to Re: I might be able to shed a little light » Glydin, posted by Dinah on January 5, 2008, at 10:59:18

I'm glad you posted as well.

I have also had people email me their thoughts about my response to prozac suggesting that this response was all in my head.

Perhaps instead of using the generalization rule, we could simply indicate that people need to be respectful of people's experiences with certain drugs, whether we agree with that experience or not.

To me, when a generalizing statement about all SSRIs, MAOIs etc... is made, it's really not about the generalization. The real issue to me is that it can belittle one's own response to the drug as not real or "all in my head". It's just disrepectful.

Just my two cents.

Seldom.

 

Re: I might be able to shed a little light » seldomseen

Posted by Dinah on January 5, 2008, at 16:01:10

In reply to Re: I might be able to shed a little light » Dinah, posted by seldomseen on January 5, 2008, at 13:26:23

I think that's part of the generalization rule, to be respectful of others' opinions. And I can see why saying that a medication is horrible or never works can be seen as disrespectful by those who had success with it. Certainly more direct statements such as you described would not be civil. (And if they're in babblemails can be reported.)

I guess that's where I get stuck. Because I *can* see why the rule is moving in the direction it is moving.

But in many cases when someone says something like "Effexor is a horrible medication and will never work" it's clear that they are talking about their own experience, with a bit of extrapolation thrown in, and its' an expression of distress. They aren't trying to say anything about anyone else's experience, or to put anyone down. And certainly that would be true in the blood pressure controversy.

Maybe the solution lies somewhere in context? I know Dr. Bob doesn't like to rule based on intent, since intent is hard to judge. But context can be easier to judge, I'd think?

 

Re: I might be able to shed a little light

Posted by Dinah on January 5, 2008, at 16:03:26

In reply to Re: I might be able to shed a little light » seldomseen, posted by Dinah on January 5, 2008, at 16:01:10

And maybe the PBC's could be adjusted a bit to something more like "Please be respectful of those who have had different experiences." Overgeneralizing is a more difficult concept to empathize with, while respect might be easier?

 

Re: I might be able to shed a little light » Dinah

Posted by Phillipa on January 5, 2008, at 19:15:47

In reply to Re: I might be able to shed a little light » seldomseen, posted by Dinah on January 5, 2008, at 16:01:10

Saying effexor or any med is a horrible med to me would be very scarey for the person new to that med hence the new meds board. Makes better sense to word it this way I think. Love Phillipa

 

Re: I might be able to shed a little light » Dinah

Posted by Phillipa on January 5, 2008, at 19:17:11

In reply to Re: I might be able to shed a little light, posted by Dinah on January 5, 2008, at 16:03:26

Excellent. Love Phillipa

 

Re: overgeneralizing

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 6, 2008, at 4:12:51

In reply to generalising vs over generalising, posted by Sigismund on December 29, 2007, at 0:34:23

> But can we take a closer look at who may be upset if we generalize about a blood pressure monitor?
>
> Seldom.

When it's overgeneralizations about things, my concern isn't that people might be upset, but that people might make decisions based on what's posted.

--

> She is entitled to her experienced opinion.
>
> If I say Zyprexa increased my appetite, and therefore, I think it's sucky med...I'm generalizing my experience to all patients....but, that's OK?
>
> AbbieNormal

Something like:

> my experienced opinion is that the automatic ones more often than not are not acurate

or:

> I think the automatic ones are sucky

I think would be fine.

--

> If I say that such and such a drug is often helpful, that's a generalisation, right?
>
> What's an overgeneralisation?
>
> Sigismund

I think something like:

> such and such a drug is always helpful

Bob


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