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Re: cap on Name changes » Dr. Bob

Posted by All Done on January 11, 2007, at 2:14:11

In reply to Re: cap on Name changes, posted by Dr. Bob on January 6, 2007, at 4:30:28

> Well, 3 starting from whenever the policy takes effect?

Okay.


> Would 5 be better? 3 might be easier to remember, since other policies use 3...

Well, 5 might be better. Or twelve per year. But I think lots of number might be better because I don't really think there should be a cap.

But since you mentioned 3 being easier to remember because of other policies which use 3...I guess I'd like to add that I've been here for a few years, now (just over umm, 3, actually ;) ). I think I stay within the civility guidelines, and I've never received a PBC. Part of that is my own need to be "good" and follow the rules, of course, but that said, I'm finding it harder and harder to know and remember all the rules that have been implemented and/or are being discussed. I generally pay at least partial attention to Admin, but I have to admit, I don't visit the FAQs all that often. I just don't know what is reasonable to expect of a new poster, an old one who may have been gone for awhile, or perhaps a poster who's having a rough time in general and isn't making it a priority to figure out how many times name changes are allowed, how many consecutive posts are allowed if they aren't responses to other posts in the thread, how many times one can report a post with potential incivilities, etc. Lots of rules to remember regardless of the number used to enforce those rules. :(


> It's still up for discussion. Everything's always up for discussion. :-)
>
> Bob

Fair enough.

Maybe I should have asked if you've already made a decision and, if so, can your mind be changed?


Oh, and I thought of another thing related to name changes. I think it was Dinah who once talked about making a separate board for posters to post anonymous questions. If someone wanted to do that now, let's say me, could I work it out through name changes without making it obvious to other posters that it was me? For example, I might post on Admin using my new ID that I've changed my name to Not Finished Yet. Then, I could go post on Social as Not Finished Yet that I really love Barry Manilow and I'm wondering if anyone else does. No one would know that I'm really All Done, who loves Barry Manilow. Then, once I've received responses and replied on that thread, I could come back to Admin as Not Finished Yet and say that I'm changing my posting name back to my old posting name without indicating what that name was.

Make sense? Would it be okay to do that? I know that it just adds another reason against the cap on name changes, though.


Anyway, thanks for your earlier responses, Dr. Bob.

I hope you're ready for the snow on Sunday...and GO BEARS! :-)

Laurie

 

Re: cap on Name changes

Posted by notfred on January 11, 2007, at 15:13:20

In reply to Re: cap on Name changes » Dr. Bob, posted by All Done on January 11, 2007, at 2:14:11

"I just don't know what is reasonable to expect of a new poster, an old one who may have been gone for awhile, or perhaps a poster who's having a rough time in general and isn't making it a priority to figure out how many times name changes are allowed, how many consecutive posts are allowed if they aren't responses to other posts in the thread, how many times one can report a post with potential incivilities, etc. Lots of rules to remember regardless of the number used to enforce those rules."


I don't see people getting blocked for these issues, they just receive a warning or perhaps a PBC.

 

Re: cap on Name changes » notfred

Posted by All Done on January 11, 2007, at 16:31:14

In reply to Re: cap on Name changes, posted by notfred on January 11, 2007, at 15:13:20

> "I just don't know what is reasonable to expect of a new poster, an old one who may have been gone for awhile, or perhaps a poster who's having a rough time in general and isn't making it a priority to figure out how many times name changes are allowed, how many consecutive posts are allowed if they aren't responses to other posts in the thread, how many times one can report a post with potential incivilities, etc. Lots of rules to remember regardless of the number used to enforce those rules."
>
>
> I don't see people getting blocked for these issues, they just receive a warning or perhaps a PBC.

That's true. I don't see it either. But does that mean we don't need to be aware of those rules and try to follow them?

I know...not wanting to add another rule to follow isn't the most compelling argument for not putting a name change cap in place. I was just feeling whiny, I guess.

 

Re: cap on Name changes

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 12, 2007, at 3:04:11

In reply to Re: cap on Name changes » Dr. Bob, posted by All Done on January 11, 2007, at 2:14:11

> If you set a cap, I think that folks ought to be able to email you to request another change for special circumstances if they go over the cap.
>
> gg

Sure, it's important to be flexible. :-)

--

> Maybe I should have asked if you've already made a decision

No, I think I might wait until I'm ready to make some other changes to the name-changing process.

> I think it was Dinah who once talked about making a separate board for posters to post anonymous questions. If someone wanted to do that now, let's say me, could I work it out through name changes without making it obvious to other posters that it was me? For example, I might post on Admin using my new ID that I've changed my name to Not Finished Yet. Then, I could go post on Social as Not Finished Yet that I really love Barry Manilow and I'm wondering if anyone else does. No one would know that I'm really All Done, who loves Barry Manilow. Then, once I've received responses and replied on that thread, I could come back to Admin as Not Finished Yet and say that I'm changing my posting name back to my old posting name without indicating what that name was.
>
> Would it be okay to do that? I know that it just adds another reason against the cap on name changes, though.
>
> Laurie

It would be OK to do that. Except that the 2nd post here should be by the old name. :-)

Bob

 

Re: how to make the newbies feel even more welcome

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 12, 2007, at 3:04:34

In reply to from the most attention seeking person EVER! » Fallen4MyT, posted by karen_kay on January 7, 2007, at 13:40:25

> lord knows the poor newbies get so little attention. how bout suggestions for that? how to make the newbies feel even more welcome

That's something else I've been wondering about. I think if a newbie got a response to their first post that would be a good start?

Bob

 

Re: cap on Name changes » Dr. Bob

Posted by All Done on January 12, 2007, at 4:46:18

In reply to Re: cap on Name changes, posted by Dr. Bob on January 12, 2007, at 3:04:11

> > I think it was Dinah who once talked about making a separate board for posters to post anonymous questions. If someone wanted to do that now, let's say me, could I work it out through name changes without making it obvious to other posters that it was me? For example, I might post on Admin using my new ID that I've changed my name to Not Finished Yet. Then, I could go post on Social as Not Finished Yet that I really love Barry Manilow and I'm wondering if anyone else does. No one would know that I'm really All Done, who loves Barry Manilow. Then, once I've received responses and replied on that thread, I could come back to Admin as Not Finished Yet and say that I'm changing my posting name back to my old posting name without indicating what that name was.
> >
> > Would it be okay to do that? I know that it just adds another reason against the cap on name changes, though.
> >
> > Laurie
>
> It would be OK to do that. Except that the 2nd post here should be by the old name. :-)
>
> Bob

You're kidding me, right? That was the whole point of my lengthy scenario/question. If we can't use the new name to post that we're changing back to the old name...well, that pretty much defeats the whole purpose of what I was trying to do, no?

Why does it have to be the old name?

Thanks,
Laurie

 

Re: how to make the newbies feel even more welcome

Posted by muffled on January 12, 2007, at 10:47:45

In reply to Re: how to make the newbies feel even more welcome, posted by Dr. Bob on January 12, 2007, at 3:04:34

I dunno how other boards are, but on psychology most posts will get at least 1 hit. New or otherwise.
Sometimes there's a time lapse b4 anyone notices that noone has responded and then there will be a post.
Now I been here awhile its not as big a deal personally cuz i get responses from other posts.
But as I sit here thinking, I can remember it being downright agonizing when I was new.....
It just seems like common sense to me to try and welcome a name you don't recognize, or aknowledge one you do?
Does it actually happen very often that a new person is ignored???
If I ever do it, please someone b-mail me and tell me.
Muffled
P.S. I never goto newbie board cuz i get too overwhelmed by trying to goto too many boards.
I guess I would be willing to go on a certain day/week if others were willing to go into a rotation with me....I would need to know there's consistancy there...
OR mebbe just START people on psychology FIRST (can you tell I have a bias here????) and we can welcome and direct them to the best boards for them?
There are SO many boards, do they all get good usage?
I still think the psycho babble board should be renamed some how...
Yeah, I know I not supposed to be here,
Apparently some part of me is an eternal optimist...
Muffled

 

Re: Name changes

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 15, 2007, at 20:08:32

In reply to Re: cap on Name changes » Dr. Bob, posted by All Done on January 12, 2007, at 4:46:18

> You're kidding me, right? That was the whole point of my lengthy scenario/question. If we can't use the new name to post that we're changing back to the old name...well, that pretty much defeats the whole purpose of what I was trying to do, no?
>
> Why does it have to be the old name?

Because people are more interested in who's posting than in who's not posting? People might suspect, but there wouldn't be any definitive connection between the two names...

Bob

 

Re: how to make the newbies feel even more welcome

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 15, 2007, at 20:08:36

In reply to Re: how to make the newbies feel even more welcome, posted by muffled on January 12, 2007, at 10:47:45

> It just seems like common sense to me to try and welcome a name you don't recognize, or aknowledge one you do?

That's the idea of the green "new" indicators. Which can be on any board, new posters don't always post first on Newbies. Maybe not on Psychology, but sometimes they don't get responded to. :-(

Bob

 

Re: Name changes

Posted by All Done on January 15, 2007, at 22:32:09

In reply to Re: Name changes, posted by Dr. Bob on January 15, 2007, at 20:08:32

> > Why does it have to be the old name?
>
> there wouldn't be any definitive connection between the two names...
>
> Bob

Yeah...that was pretty much my point.

If someone wants to change his or her posting name for personal reasons, is it really more important that other posters can figure out who he or she was? Oh, nevermind. That's a different discussion from the one I've been having. And it's been had earlier in this thread.

Laurie

 

Re: how to make the newbies feel even more welcome

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 20, 2007, at 12:29:45

In reply to Re: how to make the newbies feel even more welcome, posted by Dr. Bob on January 15, 2007, at 20:08:36

> That's the idea of the green "new" indicators. ... Maybe not on Psychology, but sometimes they don't get responded to. :-(

For example, currently on Withdrawal:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/wdrawl/20061224/msgs/716516.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/wdrawl/20061224/msgs/718057.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/wdrawl/20061224/msgs/718585.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/wdrawl/20061224/msgs/719976.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/wdrawl/20061224/msgs/724288.html

One idea I've had is including a list of posts like those in the introduction to each board?

Bob

 

Re: how to make the newbies feel even more welcome

Posted by muffled on January 21, 2007, at 12:14:38

In reply to Re: how to make the newbies feel even more welcome, posted by Dr. Bob on January 20, 2007, at 12:29:45

> > That's the idea of the green "new" indicators. ... Maybe not on Psychology, but sometimes they don't get responded to. :-(
>
> For example, currently on Withdrawal:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/wdrawl/20061224/msgs/716516.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/wdrawl/20061224/msgs/718057.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/wdrawl/20061224/msgs/718585.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/wdrawl/20061224/msgs/719976.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/wdrawl/20061224/msgs/724288.html
>
> One idea I've had is including a list of posts like those in the introduction to each board?
>
> Bob

OK so i am a little confused. None of those posts show the 'new' indicator on my computer?
Also, some seem to be posts within a thread, not an individual query.
So you are wanting us to specifically seek out and welcome new ones even as they post w/in a thread?
I also don't know what I personally could say to those sample posts. Its not in my shphere of knowledge.
Are you just gonna list those pertaining to that particular board? or posts all over when you make your lists?

 

Re: how to make the newbies feel even more welcome

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 21, 2007, at 15:03:43

In reply to Re: how to make the newbies feel even more welcome, posted by muffled on January 21, 2007, at 12:14:38

> OK so i am a little confused. None of those posts show the 'new' indicator on my computer?

Did you try the main Withdrawal home page? The indicators (yellow as well as green) only show there.

> Also, some seem to be posts within a thread, not an individual query.
> So you are wanting us to specifically seek out and welcome new ones even as they post w/in a thread?
> I also don't know what I personally could say to those sample posts. Its not in my shphere of knowledge.

Well, if someone's first post is within a thread, it's still their first post. And people who don't know much about that topic could still welcome them, couldn't they?

> Are you just gonna list those pertaining to that particular board? or posts all over when you make your lists?

I don't know, it was just a preliminary idea. Do you think one way would be better? How do you think newbies would feel about being listed?

Bob

 

Re: how to make the newbies feel even more welcome

Posted by muffled on January 21, 2007, at 16:11:10

In reply to Re: how to make the newbies feel even more welcome, posted by Dr. Bob on January 21, 2007, at 15:03:43


> Did you try the main Withdrawal home page? The indicators (yellow as well as green) only show there.

I didn't know that i just clicked on links

> Well, if someone's first post is within a thread, it's still their first post. And people who don't know much about that topic could still welcome them, couldn't they?

Of course they could welcome them. I would expect those within that thread to welcome them? Or even the poster responsible for that particular thread? Not that they HAVE to be, but I kinda would think it would be nice.
I personally might be kinda weirded if someone came to me and welcomed me out of the blue?
I also concerned bout follow up. Its all very well and good to come up and say welcome, but then abandon them?
I struggle with consistancy IRL.
>
> > Are you just gonna list those pertaining to that particular board? or posts all over when you make your lists?
>
> I don't know, it was just a preliminary idea. Do you think one way would be better? How do you think newbies would feel about being listed?

I dunno how it is w/others, but when I babbling I stick to one board primarily.....
As for new people being listed, hmmm, well, mebbe you could b-mail people bout a newbie you have noticed on a board frequented by the poster? Tho how you gonna notice it I dunno. You read everything?
I am inconsistant.
You can't rely on me unless specifically asked bout something.
Sorry, I'm a little bamboozled right now. Dunno why. Or care particularly. Just responding cuz I think welcoming IS a good thing.
Just having seen this thread has raised my awareness anyhow bout watching out for that stuff. Mebbe we just need a reminder from time to time?

 

One more thing

Posted by muffled on January 21, 2007, at 16:25:49

In reply to Re: how to make the newbies feel even more welcome, posted by muffled on January 21, 2007, at 16:11:10

If a poster has changed their name do they get a green new indicator? Even tho they are NOT new?
That would be VERY embarassing to me if I went and welcomed someone and they were not actually new.
They should not have a green new indicator if they are NOT in fact new.

 

Re: One more thing » muffled

Posted by Llurpsie_Noodle on January 21, 2007, at 19:46:04

In reply to One more thing, posted by muffled on January 21, 2007, at 16:25:49

> If a poster has changed their name do they get a green new indicator? Even tho they are NOT new?
> That would be VERY embarassing to me if I went and welcomed someone and they were not actually new.
> They should not have a green new indicator if they are NOT in fact new.

mufflie,
sometimes a poster needs to make a clean fresh new start. In that case, they should have a little green flag just like everyone else. (they can use their green flag to mark their territory on the admin board: I used to post under a different name)

That's what I've done.

p.s. if you welcomed an old poster, that's not so embarrassing-- it's good manners, and is a pleasant surprise. Your welcome is not a burden at all.

p.p.s. Welcome to my post Muffled, so nice to see you around. I wish there were more of you. (in a sentimental sense, not a DID sense...)

 

ROFL! » Llurpsie_Noodle

Posted by muffled on January 21, 2007, at 22:53:02

In reply to Re: One more thing » muffled, posted by Llurpsie_Noodle on January 21, 2007, at 19:46:04

> mufflie,
> sometimes a poster needs to make a clean fresh new start. In that case, they should have a little green flag just like everyone else. (they can use their green flag to mark their territory on the admin board: I used to post under a different name)
>
> That's what I've done.
>
> p.s. if you welcomed an old poster, that's not so embarrassing-- it's good manners, and is a pleasant surprise. Your welcome is not a burden at all.
>
> p.p.s. Welcome to my post Muffled, so nice to see you around. I wish there were more of you. (in a sentimental sense, not a DID sense...)

Guess its just me, i get embarrased bout not remembering people irl, so i kinda got a thing about it is all.

I just about gutted myself laughing at your pps! Thx I REALLY needed a laugh :)

Thx LL
Muffled

 

Re: how to help the newbies feel even more welcome

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 22, 2007, at 12:05:51

In reply to Re: how to make the newbies feel even more welcome, posted by muffled on January 21, 2007, at 16:11:10

> > Well, if someone's first post is within a thread, it's still their first post. And people who don't know much about that topic could still welcome them, couldn't they?
>
> Of course they could welcome them. I would expect those within that thread to welcome them? Or even the poster responsible for that particular thread? Not that they HAVE to be, but I kinda would think it would be nice.

I do, too, but it doesn't always happen...

> I personally might be kinda weirded if someone came to me and welcomed me out of the blue?
> I also concerned bout follow up. Its all very well and good to come up and say welcome, but then abandon them?

I agree, but better to be welcomed out of the blue, or welcomed without follow-up, than not to be welcomed at all?

> As for new people being listed, hmmm, well, mebbe you could b-mail people bout a newbie you have noticed on a board frequented by the poster? Tho how you gonna notice it I dunno. You read everything?

In theory, I could get the server to do it. But who would be babblemailed? Should I ask for volunteers? That would be like having greeters for each board... And if they do frequent the board, they should already be seeing the green indicators.

> Just having seen this thread has raised my awareness anyhow bout watching out for that stuff. Mebbe we just need a reminder from time to time?

A reminder here, like this? Or at the top of each board? Thanks for your input on this,

Bob

 

Re: how to help the newbies feel even more welcome

Posted by muffled on January 22, 2007, at 13:02:49

In reply to Re: how to help the newbies feel even more welcome, posted by Dr. Bob on January 22, 2007, at 12:05:51

> I agree, but better to be welcomed out of the blue, or welcomed without follow-up, than not to be welcomed at all?

**Perhaps...
But what would be considered appropriate?
'Hi, welcome to babble, my name is muffled, nice to meet you?' I dunno. Thats soiunds kinda lame....?
I hate to be too long winded cuz that'd seem weird.....?

> In theory, I could get the server to do it. But who would be babblemailed? Should I ask for volunteers? That would be like having greeters for each board... And if they do frequent the board, they should already be seeing the green indicators.

**Well, I would volunteer for one board. Don't seem to onerous a job. Not like being a deputy, ugh.
Seeing and remembering to go back...
>
> > Just having seen this thread has raised my awareness anyhow bout watching out for that stuff. Mebbe we just need a reminder from time to time?
>
> A reminder here, like this? Or at the top of each board? Thanks for your input on this,

*I am inclined to think more crapola on the top of the board is just gonna get missed. Too much. I just zoom past it all.
Mebbe just a reminder thread on admin now and again...

 

Re: how to help the newbies feel even more welcome

Posted by Dinah on January 22, 2007, at 14:20:33

In reply to Re: how to help the newbies feel even more welcome, posted by muffled on January 22, 2007, at 13:02:49

Sometimes on Psychology it seems like people specifically welcome. But sometimes they just respond and may or may not add a welcome at the bottom. Most posts do get responded to there, and on Social.

Maybe the other boards get more specific questions, and if people don't have the answer they don't think of saying "Hi, I don't have the answer, but I hope you find it here." or something like that?

I know I'd be at a loss to answer a specific medication question if I didn't have a blessed clue as to the answer.

 

Re: how to help the newbies feel even more welcome

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 22, 2007, at 19:18:06

In reply to Re: how to help the newbies feel even more welcome, posted by Dinah on January 22, 2007, at 14:20:33

> But what would be considered appropriate?
> 'Hi, welcome to babble, my name is muffled, nice to meet you?' I dunno. Thats soiunds kinda lame....?

I don't know, it sounds OK to me. :-)

> Well, I would volunteer for one board. Don't seem to onerous a job. Not like being a deputy, ugh.
> Seeing and remembering to go back...

Great! Which board would you like?

> I am inclined to think more crapola on the top of the board is just gonna get missed. Too much. I just zoom past it all.
> Mebbe just a reminder thread on admin now and again...
>
> muffled

I thought that, too, but OTOH what if people from that board don't come to this board?

> Sometimes on Psychology it seems like people specifically welcome. But sometimes they just respond and may or may not add a welcome at the bottom. Most posts do get responded to there, and on Social.
>
> Dinah

I think a response without a specific welcome might be even better, but anything would be better than nothing...

Bob

 

Re: how to help the newbies feel even more welcome

Posted by Phillipa on January 22, 2007, at 19:38:04

In reply to Re: how to help the newbies feel even more welcome, posted by Dr. Bob on January 22, 2007, at 19:18:06

I know I've been criticized for this but if I don't recognize a posting name I will answer the post only if it's to acknowledge that someone has seen the post and even if I have no knowledge of the question. It feels bad to be totally ignored. Love Phillipa

 

Welcomes

Posted by muffled on January 22, 2007, at 22:23:59

In reply to Re: how to help the newbies feel even more welcome, posted by Dr. Bob on January 22, 2007, at 19:18:06

> > Well, I would volunteer for one board. Don't seem to onerous a job. Not like being a deputy, ugh.

> Great! Which board would you like?

**:-) Guess...and its NOT Admin.......3 guesses and you out!

> I thought that, too, but OTOH what if people from that board don't come to this board?

**mebbe spam all the boards w/the same reminder post?
You could have the header 'Just a reminder babblers.....' and then a generic reminder post.

but anything would be better than nothing...
>
> Bob

**Ewwwww, agree again, somethings definately better than nothing.

 

Re: Welcomes

Posted by Dr. Bob on January 24, 2007, at 0:00:59

In reply to Welcomes, posted by muffled on January 22, 2007, at 22:23:59

> I know I've been criticized for this but if I don't recognize a posting name I will answer the post only if it's to acknowledge that someone has seen the post and even if I have no knowledge of the question. It feels bad to be totally ignored.
>
> Phillipa

Thanks for responding to people!

> > > Well, I would volunteer for one board. Don't seem to onerous a job. Not like being a deputy, ugh.
>
> > Great! Which board would you like?
>
> :-) Guess...and its NOT Admin.......3 guesses and you out!

I'm no good at guessing, could you just tell me? :-)

> > I thought that, too, but OTOH what if people from that board don't come to this board?
>
> mebbe spam all the boards w/the same reminder post?
> You could have the header 'Just a reminder babblers.....' and then a generic reminder post.
>
> muffled

Hmm, that's an idea. Maybe each time they roll over?

Bob

 

Re: Welcomes

Posted by muffled on January 24, 2007, at 0:43:53

In reply to Re: Welcomes, posted by Dr. Bob on January 24, 2007, at 0:00:59

> I'm no good at guessing, could you just tell me? :-)

**psychology

> Hmm, that's an idea. Maybe each time they roll over?

* maybe, dunno how often that is, too often and its just gonna get ignored. Mebbe only quarterly would be enough.

I'm getting that surreal lab rat feeling again......
Is this an excercise in empowerment?


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