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Broaden your argument Old School

Posted by trouble on February 25, 2002, at 11:37:11

In reply to Re: For Old School (and Spike too), posted by OldSchool on February 25, 2002, at 11:13:36

> > Old School,

As one pitiless egghead to another I applaud your remarks to Dinah's well-meaning post. I too cringe when people start talkling like they have special access to my uniquely hidden inner pain. But Dinah loves, that's her schtick.

It's time for you to stop ignoring philosophy in your argument regarding the Old School model of humanity. I sense a Hard Determinist view afoot, seems its implications fit in w/ your position. Am I correct in that?

By relegating all human activity to the CNS you are implying that man has no soul, no psyche, and this is a matter for philosophy. They've done great things in philosopy. I'd like to hear something about your stance on the subject.

respectfully,
trouble

P.S. We're moving toward logic and ethics now, that is to say Marlboro Man territory, you should feel right at home here.


> > I hear the pain behind your anger and it saddens me that you have to feel it. I know the pain that both results in and results from either/or thinking and it is very deep. And I know the pain that results from alienating those who want to reach out to you and I wish sincerely that I could stop you from making that mistake. There are very kind people on this board, people who have in fact, said this more plainly than I have, since oddly enough I was trying to spare you my compassion. But I do have compassion for you and your very real suffering. It must hurt so bad to be so full of rage.
> >
> > So I really did try to explain the real benefits people find in therapy. And I really did understand your need to vent your frustration. And I really was happy when I "heard" you laugh on the admin board.
> >
> > And I really do hope that neither you nor Spike think that I was being hurtful or sarcastic to you. I was really just trying to protect you.
> >
> > That being said, I also have very real compassion for those who are hurt by your assumption that their pain is not equally real and deep. I'm not sure you understand that that is the message they are getting from you.
> >
> > Now if I'm right, and you are like my dad, I'm guessing you'll be very angry by this post and go on the offensive. And I want you to know that that's OK with me. I really do understand where that anger comes from. No one likes to be vulnerable. Just target it at me, please.
> >
> > And if I'm wrong, and you are nothing like my dad, perhaps we can lower the tone a bit and have a real discussion.
> >
> > And this is an interesting exercise in complete and total honesty.
> >
> > With all sincerity,
> > Dinah
>
> Dinah, the above post is exactly what Im complaining about. It is full of these psychological concepts about "pain" and blah blah blah. I read your post and it made me want to yawn. Its full of these vague psychological ideas that have nothing to do with mental illness. You arent listening to what Im saying in my posts. I mean what I say. You are overanalyzing my posts and reading psychological stuff into it. All Ive been saying is that I cant relate well to the usual mental health spiel because these sorts of problems are typically not thought of as "real" physically based problems. And from my perspective its a very real and very physical illness.
>
> Im just saying I dont understand why mental illness isnt being treated by Neurology instead of psychiatry. I dont understand why others cant see the simple fact that this stuff is basically a disease of the nervous system. Not psychobabble.
>
> We have all been brainwashed into thinking these problems are psychological or emotional issues, when in reality its pure Neurology stuff. Again, poor sleeping that goes hand in hand with severe depression is not caused by "issues" its caused by some physical Central Nervous System process run amok and is broken and needs to be fixed medically. Who studies sleep? Neurologists. All sleep labs are run by Neurology. Duh.
>
> Please dont analyze it like you are doing and put all these psychobabble terms into it. Im just saying that maybe, just maybe if the doctors who treat serious mental illness were more well versed in Neurology and the brain rather than psychobabble, maybe more patients would recover.
>
> Old School


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