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Re: I fibbed » wildcard11

Posted by tealady on March 29, 2006, at 15:32:04

In reply to I fibbed, posted by wildcard11 on March 29, 2006, at 13:26:46

> I had to say this~ I am an American citizen. I DO NOT support the government. I feel they are causing more problems. I am saddened that GWB has the power he does yet no one can take it away?? Majority of the American people *I* know do not support this war, not one bit. They want GWB removed from office. War crimes?!? I myself don't understand BUT I WILL SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!! Many whom are there b/c they wanted a college education or felt lost and this *appeared* to be a way out. Most are KIDS. They never expected to see this in their lifetime. It is a sad, sad situation. ****feeling a headache already~this is why i refuse to watch the news...

Yes I know how some of the kids ended up in the army with the schooloing incentive.
But every war has been fought by teenagers (kids), as part of the troops. No different today.

Consider Germany under Hitler in WWII.. most Germans did not support the war either.. the kids were fighting the war. The Germans did "SUPPORT OUR TROOPS" though. It's the same( although the Germans had less choice)??

And yet the US(especially the Jews) has blamed the Germans.
Don't be surprised if the world blames the US?

The Germans also obeyed orders in the concentration camps. An yet they were blamed too.
Their own prisoner of war camps followed the conventions for treatment of prisoners though.
Its the concentration camps that didn't. They didn't classify those as prisoners of war.

Everyone does have a choice in how they treat their prisoners. Everyone has a choice on if they obey orders.
But, if you do follow psychology , you will see that most people just obey orders and in their mind this action is trsnferring responsibility for their actions to the person who gave the order.
That's how the army is trained..and the only way it can function as an army. Without a blind, unquestioning obeyance of orders and directions the army cannot function as a unit. The sticking together gives it the strength.. "united we fight, divided we fall" etc.

But read up on one of the experiments run by psychologists back 40years ago.
There was a famous one where they got normal people in a trial. Asked them to flick a switch and administer a shock to subjects behind a screen IF they got the answer to a simple question wrong.
Most of the trial participants did it..and continued to do it inspite of the people receiving the shocks screaming in pain, even delivery lethal shocks.
I'm sure Dr Bob can provide a ref for you to read about this one? My memory is poor as I read it decades ago.
Of course, this experiment really didn't deliver shocks and the people behind the screen were actors.
But the majority of people just transferred the responsibility for the action of the possible murder of the subjects to the people in authority in their minds.. the person running the experiment. They questioned, but still went ahead and obeyed the orders or directives.
Normal people just went ahead and "murdered" on the instructions of someone else??
Bit of a worry isn't it?

BUt its this obeyance of orders that makes an army function. They are just obeyng orders. Actually without hmans acting nin this way, there probably couldn't be armies or wars!!
It's the ability the get people to kill others and detach themselves and transfer the reponsibility for the killing away from themselves that allows wars to happen.

The question is when do you stop obeying orders/ directives.
The Germans who merely obeyed orders were tried and some convicted as war criminals?

Is it the same for the US military?



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