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Re: social psychiatry Lou Pilder

Posted by hyperfocus on August 24, 2010, at 15:49:50

In reply to Lou's request- hyperfocus, posted by Lou Pilder on August 21, 2010, at 21:06:07

I read the article and while I don't doubt that social psychiatric theories were co-opted by the Nazis to justify their genocidal plans (just like medical, economic, historical, etc. theories were co-opted) I can't say I agree with the article's premise that these ideas persist in modern psychiatry. For one thing, yes anti-psychotic drugs have a troubled history: they were poorly understood initially and did have deleterious effects on a lot of patients, they were (and still some are) used in psychiatric institutions more to physically subdue the psychotic patients than to actually treat them, they were over-prescribed, they do have heavy-duty and sometimes permanent side-effects. But these drugs have helped probably millions of people. I take small doses of an AP and have severely reduced functioning without it. The author's citing just his own work and Peter Breggin in describing the effects of APs is hardly convincing. Maybe early APs were too close to pharamacological lobotomies but this is not the situation today.

The article is not very convincing to me. It provides scant evidence that psychiatry and psychiatric medication are fulfilling a eugenics agenda, especially since patients confined to institutions come from all ethnicities. The proposed links between Lehmann and mainstream psychiatric practice are extremely tenuous. The author shows a poor understanding of the nature of psychiatric illness and practice - he seems willing to confine schizophrenia and other psychotic patients to a life without proper treatment, which is worse than what he is alleging. Psych drugs have a bad history and still need a great deal of research and development but they do help a great deal of people. I have been rather intimate with psychiatric practice for more than 12 years and I've never had any reason to suspect that it concealed an ulterior agenda other than trying to get me better.

However that said I don't know what this has to do with supercessionism or faith :). Could you explain more?

hf

> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in thisthread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you read what is in the following article. If you could, then I think that you could have a better understnding of my concerns here and of the issues presented by h-f here.
> Lou
> To read this paper;
> A. bring up google
> B. type in:
> ["Progressive" Psychiatry. Publisher J.F. Lehmann as promoter of Social Psychiatry under Fascism in Changes]


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