Posted by KayeBaby on April 21, 2007, at 20:52:36
In reply to Re: Sick from Whey protein? » KayeBaby, posted by Larry Hoover on April 21, 2007, at 11:08:52
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> > > Is the bad reaction from MSG because of free glutamates?
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> > Yes. Apparently free glutamates function as a nuerotransmitter and stimulate receptors in the brain. Heating or hydrolyzing proteins 'unbinds' them and creates excess free-form glutamate.
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> Yes, but.....
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> Hydrolysis frees more than just glutamate. Your stomach acid hyrolyzes proteins, and works alongside proteolytic enzymes. Pre-hydrolyzed whey protein could be thought of as being predigested. The free aminos (all of them) would enter the blood more rapidly than from whey protein concentrate. There would be a collective effect of multiple amino acids, all dependent on the rate of uptake, which would relate to degree of hydrolysis, dose, combination with other foods, genetic factors, etc.
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> The simplest factor to manipulate is dose. There's a simple test if free glutamate is the issue.....add in some taurine with the whey protein. If the adverse effects are eliminated, you can consider glutamate, or it could be an adaptive response from repeated exposure.
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> Why might never be known, but dose is easily tested.
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> LarI have found taurine helpful. Honestly, I had an obvious reaction once due to a sort of 'perfect storm' of factors. Daily use of the whey and then a MSG loaded meal on an empty stomach caused it. I considered that some of my symptoms have been exacerbated by glutamates and tested it out by avoiding the substance as much as possible for a few days and then adding it back in-which induced a milder reaction confirming the theory to me.
All I have to do is be sensible and not load up on free glutimates, balance them and also taurine.
This was a very important bit of info for me due to the inexplicable nature of my aches, anxiety and fatigue. I have consistantly felt better since I became aware of this effect and have minimized exposure and probably more importantly I feel less victimized by unseen forces. If that makes any sense at all. :)
I have a lot more respect about my diets ability to effect how I feel now. This caused me to explore the healing aspect of food more fully, much to my benefit.
I was absolutely glad that my little 'perfect storm' happened.
Peace,
Kaye
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