Posted by tealady on January 20, 2004, at 20:36:01
In reply to Re: Zinc and Selenium for AD hair loss » tealady, posted by TeeJay on January 19, 2004, at 19:51:09
> Hi Jan,
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> I didnt know about the thyroid thing and ones ability to consume alcohol. I've always been able to tolerate huge units of spirits whilst very unable to tolerate beer in anywhere near the same quantity (measured of corse in units rather than voume).Strange, I wonder if there is something in beer you may be sensitive (as in allergic) to? I'm like that with some wines..I did figure out what is was once..but I've forgotten now. ..probably a preservative.
(Do you guys really drink warm beer?)
>
> I've not had my thyroid checked for over a decade, in fact i've pretty much given up completely with doctors over here. They either look at the M.E. diagnosis and say they can do nothing or note the depression aspect and try and palm me off with some Prozac. I could kick up a stink of course, but then i'd just be labelled an "awkward patient", so I choose not to bother with them at all.I had those labels too..until I worked it out.
I got so bad figured it was either kick up a stink or die, I couldn't go on.
I ended up going to a doc trained in Germany ..who cover more alternative stuff in their medical degrees I think...and after I crawled into surgery she said she would treat me and just bulk bill me. She would be the equivalent of a private (non NHS) doc in the UK. Last time she told me I always used to look so ill...and now I look well.I'm still in the kicking up a stink phase...although now my local doc even can see a phsical difference in me ..he mumbles that what I have followed is science not medicine(hey?).... Well I guess he can set bones.
I'm not "typical" thyroid either...more (I think) nitrates/nitrites and methaemoglobulin ..which can destroy thyroid hormones and alter your iron ..so I need to drip feed thyroid hormones or I function as hypothyroid.(at least that's what I think at present)
..although I do have antibodies as well and may have been hyperthyroid as a teenager...hence the remarks about being able to drink and stay relatively sober.>
> I think you misunderstood my remarks about the SJW, magnesium etc by the way. I dont take them now, but have tried them all in the past with little success. My remark was mainly that I have yet to find the one supplement or mix of items that really make the big difference to my health and help me move forward in a meaningful way.Sorry, I didn't misunderstand, I guess I was being lazy with that answer. But I won't be around here much (if at all after my last post on admin)..and I thought I'd just summarise in case it helped anyone or you in any way.
I do understand you haven't been able to find anything or any mix that makes a significant difference. Sometimes that is bacause there is something elsethat is wrong..and once that is fixed ..we can benefit more from the "mix".
e.g. I think Jlx said she had to get onto high doses magnesium, before she saw the benefits of other things. with me it would be hormones.
If you do ever look at thyroid hormones or antibodies (like TPO) ..you can also email me your results..with "normal range" doesn't always mean "normal". But with thyroid there is usually physical symptoms ..like cold hands, feet, fibromyalgia like pains, etc..Of course having those symptoms alone doesn't mean it is either.The other thing that made a big difference to me was iron supplementation as my ferritin was below 50 (actually 10). This is rare in males though, but being so, means it is missed.
Oh and oestrogen was the other(guess that would be testosterone in males) ..all make a big difference with depression, fatigue, ME type symptoms
> Once or twice recently i've had a trawl through the archives to see what people have tried and how people have reacted to various things. One of the most recent threads I read was on Tyrosine. Curiously I get that kind of feeling without any supplements and tried Tyrosine a few months ago and it certainly didnt make those feelings any worse (i cant remember if it improved them though unfortunately). I do however recall a recent thread (I think it was with Ron Hill) where a mix of Tryptophan and Tyrosine was useful, I think to increase both serotonin AND dopamine. I'm tempted to get a bottle of tyrosine and add it in whilst i'm on the tryptophan to see if there is any notable difference.Yes, that is why I mentioned tryosine.
Also if it is some kinda borderline thyroid problem ..tyrosine alone..or better still tryosine with selenium may fix it.
I mention selenium particularly as it is known that England is low on it..and that in the past few years with sourcing from the EU(soil content of selenium low) instead of Nth.America the selenium content in the diet of those in England has reached too low levels ..or so I've heard.I think tyrosine in the morning ..say 500mg to start with and tryptophan at night, as Ron is doing, is worth a try.
I would have tried tryptophan but last year (I think) they moved it to prescription only instead of otc..and I got prescribed Remeron..which I won't take.>
> Everytime you get the urge to post on the admin board, go and have a bar of chocolate instead, its far better for you for sure!!
Thanks..good advice..I should have done that..but after reading some recent posts on here... I just had to have one last say...that was definitely the last!I've really enjoyed chatting with you,
Jan
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