Posted by Lou Pilder on July 24, 2015, at 6:03:32
In reply to Re: What if subsets of readers disagree?, posted by bryte on September 3, 2014, at 19:00:22
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> > 1. How does one know which subset of readers is correct?
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> Who says any subset is correct? Or that one being correct rules out the other being correct?
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> >If being seen to be more civil by one subset involves being seen as less fair by another subset, which subset is more important?
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> Methods that are more readily seen may create deeper impressions than methods that are seen less. Hsiung elected a very visible method of intervention. Discussion of how it is seen may be a byproduct of the fact that it is seen.
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> > 2. How should Bob decide whether to act, when his judgment is questioned by subsets of readers with opposite beliefs?
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> Should? That is subjective. He could choose to act in a manner that is more embarrassing rather than less embarrassing, according to his published statements. In published journals he advised his professional peers believe there may be value in a method that is more embarrassing to some people as compared to methods used by other moderators in other groups.
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> > 3. Can he use his judgment in deciding how to resolve this problem?
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> He has used his judgement. He chose to be very visible - not only in his methods, but in promoting his methods via peer reviewed publications, social media, appearance in a leading national newspapers and active explanation of his methods in a mental health forum otherwise intended for mutual support among peers. He has also in some cases limited discussion of his very public expression of his judgment, setting boundaries he claims or expects are recognizable by a significant portion of his group - even though a significant portion maintains the boundaries are not consistent or predictable. We do not know if his judgement is truly the best judgement for a group. He asserts knowledge of what is best for the group, but lacks any reliable measure of benefit other than anecdotes and the continued existence of the group.
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> > 4. If he should not use his judgment, how should he come to a decision as to whether to, or how to act?
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> Humble leaders exercise judgment modestly. Leaders who trust their community trust the judgement of a community of peers. Many medical professionals rely on evidenced based practices. Evidence related to administration social networking has developed significantly since Hsiung established some basic methods from which he has not departed. Hsiung has based much of his practice on promoting, publicizing, defending or practicing his own methods rather than embracing judgements of a global community of social network providers that matured around him while his methods were informed in large part by decisions he made during the adolescence of his social network project.
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> bryte,
You wrote,[...We do not know if his (Mr. Hsiung's) judgment is truly the best judgment for a group...].
Now Mr. Hsiung says that he uses his judgment in relation to that what he does, or does not do, will be good for this community as a whole. But he also states that he uses fairness and the implementation of the Golden Rule in what he does here and that he asks readers to trust him in what he does, or does not do. And his deputies are trained in carrying out his wishes here.
To determine if in reality what he does or does not do will or will not be good for this community as a whole, there could need to be some standard to use in the historical record where others have done similar things, or have not done what others have done, in particular but not limited to allowing anti-Semitic propaganda and defamation toward me here to be allowed to be seen by him and his deputies of record to be supportive and that by him allowing the statements that could harm Jews and me here, to be seen as supportive, that it will be good for the community as a whole for him to do so.
My questions to you are how could you tell if what he is doing here will or will not be good for this community as a whole by seeing what is happening here now and what criteria could you use to predict that sometime in the future the community will be "good" and what is this "good" in your opinion that could establish any justification by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record for allowing anti-Semitic hate and defamation against me to stand here as being seen as supportive by him and how does his appeal for readers to trust him fit in to this as you see it ?
Lou
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