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Posted by Lou Pilder on October 10, 2013, at 13:42:39

In reply to Lou's reply-policeeofheyt » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 10, 2013, at 9:21:22

> > I'm glad you aren't calling Mormons anti-semitic. The quote you've been objecting to is from an LDS site, if I remember correctly. I felt defensive for the church I still love. I hope that you will try to be as respectful of the Mormon church as I always have tried to be of the Jewish faith.
> >
> > I personally don't see much difference between accusations of being anti-semitic and arousing anti-semitic feelings. But if you say you do, I'll believe you.
>
> Dinah,
> You wrote,[...don't see much difference between accusations of being anti-Semitic and arousing anti-Semitic feelings..].
> The difference is that a statement that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings could be seen, but if someone is anti-Semitic, that is a matter of the heart that can not be seen. There is, though, a test for that.
> There is a rule here not to post anything that could put down those of other faiths. A statement that could put down Jews or Judaism itself, is an anti-Semitic statement agreed on by Mr. Hsiung. A posting of such a statement does not mean automatically that the poster of such is anti-Semitic. To prove that a person or a church organization is anti-Semitic is that the {policy} of the person or the group is anti-Semitic. That means that the definition of anti-Semitism could be applied to the person or group. The definition in its simplest form of {anti-Semitic}, is {against Jews}. If someone or some group is against Jews, there is a list of things that a person or group does that constitutes being against Jews. Now I think that you would agree that if a person or group {segregates} Jews, then that person or group is anti-Semitic. And if an employer, let's say, did not hire Jews, I think that you could agree that the employer is anti-Semitic, or if a hotel refused to allow Jews to stay there, the hotel would be anti-Semitic, because there is a {policy} against Jews.
> Now when we look t the {policy} of a church organization, their policy is stated in their {doctrines}. If their doctrines are against Jews, then the organization has an anti-Semitic policy. The people in the group may not think of Jews as the doctrines of an anti-Semitic policy depict. But that does not annul the policy of the group.
> If a church group states in their policy that they are the only ones that are the true believers in God, then that kind of statement could put down all other faiths when they read something like that, wherever thy read it. In the case in point here:
> [..One of the top ten worst reasons for organized religion is if the organized religion has their agenda not centered in Christ....]. What could be thought by readers is that there are two groups of organized religions, one having their agenda centered in Christ, and the others do not. The statement can not be seen to mean that only Christiandom religions are being compared, for it is talking about organized religions, not just Christiandom religions. And Judaism and Islam and Hinduism and all the rest of religions that have their agenda not centered in Christ, are the ones that the statement says have one of the worst reasons for their being an organized religion. You see, if that statement stands here, then that could be thought to be POLICY here.
> Lou
>

Dinah,
Now I would like to introduce the items in this link concerning what constitutes antisemitismto further our discussion.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080719/msgs/844756.html

 

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