Posted by Lou Pilder on October 7, 2013, at 3:18:00
In reply to Re: trauma and character, posted by Dr. Bob on October 7, 2013, at 1:52:42
> > > Thank you for being willing to engage with me in this discussion. That was a general thought I had. I'm not saying it applies to you. I accept that applying it to you isn't acceptable to you. Let's say it did apply to someone else, Poster X. The idea would be that X belonged to a community that was traumatized, that X was traumatized indirectly. It can feel humiliating to be seen as the victim of trauma. Who wants to be seen as a victim? Still, being seen as a victim doesn't necessarily harm the reputation of X or induce hostile feelings against them. Especially here. Here, it could induce empathy, tolerance, and support. Which would be good for the community as a whole.
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> > descriptions of these people in question ... could be thought to be stereotyping Jews that either directly or indirectly (redacted by respondent) as a child ... it is a false statement against my character.
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> I didn't mean to imply that that happened to all people who were traumatized indirectly. And I don't know why it would happen to some people and not others. I don't think it's even understood why some people who are traumatized directly get PTSD and others don't.
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> I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't see having been traumatized (directly or indirectly), or suffering the aftereffects, as a statement against someone's character.
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> BobMr. Hsiung,
You have posted what readers could think is about me as a subject person where you use [...self-destructive, irritable and hypervigilant] as descriptions which are derogatory descriptions to me as a person. I am not hypervigilant or irritable or self-destructive. Those terms against me could stigmatize me. Those terms against me could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile, disagreeable opinions and feelings against me.
In regards to your use of hypervigilant, I am abiding by the prohibitions made to me here by you and understand your TOS that states:
[...do not post anything that could lead one to feel put down or accused...] and,[...do not post anything that could put down those of other faiths...] and,[...members are to be civil at all times...], and[...if it is not civil, don't post it...] and,[...please trust me in that I am doing what I think will be good for this community as a whole...].
But even if you in your thinking by allowing statements that could put down those of other faiths will be good for this community as a whole, that does not annul the fact that by you using these derogatory terms toward people that I could be one of, that harm could come to my reputation and character by readers seeing me portrayed as you describe as being hypervigilant, irritable and self-destructive. Those could be clinical terms against a person. I am not trying to harm myself and I am only trying to purge statements here that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and purge statements that are insults to Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and all other faiths that do not have their agenda centered in Christ as the post that can be seen here as civil and supportive since it is allowed to stand. I fail to see how that post being allowed to stand could be good for this community as a whole unless this community wants that to be promulgated as civil and supportive. But be it as it may be, the description of people in the post here of being hypervigilant, irritable and self-destructive, IMHO could bring psychological/emotional harm to those that could think that they are in the category of people that you use those terms about them. So this is not a one-person issue and those terms that you use could be harmful to many people reading here that are Jews and remember. We will never forget. We will not allow you to use these terms against us as hypervigilant, irritable and self-destructive. I may be harmed by these terms, but I am not going to destruct myself over this. Instead, I will continue to attempt that you purge all of the statements here that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and other statements that could put down those of other faiths, for as long as they are allowed to stand, the fire of hate is still burning.
Lou Pilder
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