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Re: A way out?

Posted by SLS on December 21, 2013, at 22:32:02

In reply to Re: A way out?, posted by bleauberry on December 21, 2013, at 14:22:19

> Hi Scott. I knew you were going to do this.

Why shouldn't I? I disagree with you.

I guess you know how interesting to me your beliefs are.

> To settle your question, if he is thinking suicide then I will first drive him to the hospital because I'm not taking any chances, and then I can take a look at the nutrients while he is safe.

So, let him suffer in the meantime?

How long would your nutrients take to make this person feel better?

> We are talking long term game plans. Disease takes a long time to settle in, and is not about to just get up and leave quickly.

I don't know if you have had the experience of responding well to an antidepressant in the third week, but many people do.

You provide your own version of logic, but no evidence.

> I never said I was confident of a nutritional strategy. I said it is a mandatory base upon which to build.

How do you know that this is true?

> With it, high confidence with other treatments. Without it, less confidence.

Good nutrition is a wonderful thing. I suppose an argument can be made that good nutrition will optimize anyone's health.
achieved.

> Time is of the essence. Ok, then why is he not in the hospital?

That's a good point.

> From the natural world, the fastest strongest approach I know of, is to add rhodiola rosea immediately to ongoing meds.

Is this from personal experience? I've heard good things about rhodiola rosea. But you would still have this person on medication, so I don't understand your rejection of modern psychopharmacology.

> A psychiatrist in NY city does that commonly. That was after his wife, also a psychiatrist, failed to get well on any meds, but did get well with rhodiola. They both use it in their practices and I wish more people knew about this plant.
>
> Rhodiola has prevented 2 suicides, thus far, I was closely aware of in my own circles of people.
>
> Eastern medicine and Western medicine blended together is a far better approach than either alone. We can see that trend starting to pick up all over the place, even in classically trained MD and DO offices.

> Next question please.

Okay. So far, I gather that you would hospitalize a severely depressed individual who is experiencing suicidal ideations.

Then what?

How would you handle a severely depressed person who is not experiencing suicidal ideation? Would you start them on rhodiola rosea before administering a standard antidepressant?


- Scott

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> > Hi BB.
> >
> > > First step, let's take a close detailed look at the vitamin and mineral supplements presenting being utilized.
> >
> > This person is seriously depressed and having thoughts of suicide. How long will your nutritional strategy take to work?
> >
> > > And let's take a look in the grocery cart.
> >
> > > Without a solid foundation, anything built on top of it becomes less reliable in achieving the desired outcome.
> >
> > Are you so confident in your nutritional approach that you would exclude medication as a first line treatment? I would feel more confident in your treatment strategy if you could determine through testing the need for supplements or other alternative treatments in the first place, and then provide scientific evidence that a particular finding is associated with a therapeutic response.
> >
> > What about working with medication and nutrition concurrently and perhaps optimize one's chances of feeling better and avoiding suicide?
> >
> > Time is of the essence.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
> >
>
>


Some see things as they are and ask why.
I dream of things that never were and ask why not.

- George Bernard Shaw

 

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