Posted by bleauberry on December 21, 2013, at 14:22:19
In reply to Re: A way out? » bleauberry, posted by SLS on December 21, 2013, at 6:06:38
Hi Scott. I knew you were going to do this.
To settle your question, if he is thinking suicide then I will first drive him to the hospital because I'm not taking any chances, and then I can take a look at the nutrients while he is safe.
We are talking long term game plans. Disease takes a long time to settle in, and is not about to just get up and leave quickly.
I never said I was confident of a nutritional strategy. I said it is a mandatory base upon which to build. With it, high confidence with other treatments. Without it, less confidence.
I absolutely would not use integrative strategies as first line if the person is suicidal. They need meds to buffer things for a while. Problem is, sometimes that doesn't work and they kill themselves anyway. In any case, psych meds are first line.The other stuff is approached after crisis stabilization has been achieved.
Time is of the essence. Ok, then why is he not in the hospital?
From the natural world, the fastest strongest approach I know of, is to add rhodiola rosea immediately to ongoing meds. A psychiatrist in NY city does that commonly. That was after his wife, also a psychiatrist, failed to get well on any meds, but did get well with rhodiola. They both use it in their practices and I wish more people knew about this plant.
Rhodiola has prevented 2 suicides, thus far, I was closely aware of in my own circles of people.
Eastern medicine and Western medicine blended together is a far better approach than either alone. We can see that trend starting to pick up all over the place, even in classically trained MD and DO offices.
Next question please.
> Hi BB.
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> > First step, let's take a close detailed look at the vitamin and mineral supplements presenting being utilized.
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> This person is seriously depressed and having thoughts of suicide. How long will your nutritional strategy take to work?
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> > And let's take a look in the grocery cart.
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> > Without a solid foundation, anything built on top of it becomes less reliable in achieving the desired outcome.
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> Are you so confident in your nutritional approach that you would exclude medication as a first line treatment? I would feel more confident in your treatment strategy if you could determine through testing the need for supplements or other alternative treatments in the first place, and then provide scientific evidence that a particular finding is associated with a therapeutic response.
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> What about working with medication and nutrition concurrently and perhaps optimize one's chances of feeling better and avoiding suicide?
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> Time is of the essence.
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> - Scott
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