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Re: Do antidepressants worsen your depression? » SLS

Posted by doxogenic boy on October 24, 2013, at 9:48:11

In reply to Re: Do antidepressants worsen your depression? » Bob, posted by SLS on October 23, 2013, at 6:47:49

> I have no doubt that exposure to antidepressants leaves the brain changed in some way. That "poop-out" occurs at all is evidence of this. Perhaps one change involves the downregulation of serotonin autoreceptors.


I have some more quotes from the two articles I mentioned earlier in this thread. (I left some of the contents of the articles out, so it shouldn't be too much to read in one message.) Now I also have quoted the references from part of the articles.

Do you have any comments to the quotes below? I will greatly appreciate any response.

http://www.madinamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Can-long-term-treatment-with-antidepressant-drugs-worsen-the-course-of-depression.pdf

lnteractions Between Different Types of Serotonin Receptors

There is increasing awareness of the complex mutual inhibitory effects of different serotonin receptors, particu-larly 5-HT1 and 5-HT2 receptors.89 Berendsen90 has sug-gested that an important function of antidepressants is
to restore a disturbed balance between 5-HT1A, 5-HT1B, and 5-HT2 receptors. It is, therefore, conceivable that a therapeutic action of antidepressant drugs (e.g., down-regulation of postsynaptic 5-HT2 receptors) may, under certain conditions, trigger changes in postreceptor signal transduction, in intraneuronal signaling pathways, or in neuronal architecture that are likely to affect the balance of serotonin receptors. There is preclinical evidence of the
autoregulation of serotonin and its potential effect on neurogenesis. 91,92 Jacobs et al.93 have recently proposed an impairment in neurogenesis as the key pathophysiologic event in depression.

Interactions Between Different Neurotransmitters

In the same vein, there is increasing awareness of the complex mutual inhibitory effects of different neurotrans-mitter systems that may be affected in depression. 89 Anti-depressant drugs may yield changes in connections or sensitivity to neurotransmitters indirectly related to the
specific actions.

Interactions Between Neurotransmitter Balance and the Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Adrenal Axis

Neurophysiologists have used the term sensitization, as opposed to habituation, to refer to the long-lasting in-crement in response occurring on repeated presentation of a stimulus that reliably elicits a response at its initial pre-sentation. 94 Psychostimulants such as amphetamine and cocaine have been found to induce sensitization. Anti-depressant therapy, however, may also induce time-dependent sensitization.95

There is extensive evidence that the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis, through an action on corticotropin-releasing factor neurons, 96
can modulate both sensitization and tolerance. 97
Of particular interest is the relationship between serotonin receptors and HPA axis. 98 By facilitating 5-HT1 receptormediated neurotransmission, 5-HT2 postsynaptic down-regulation, a pu-tative final common pathway of the actions of different antidepressants, 89 may induce an activation of the HPA axis. This activation, in turn, may unfavorably affect sero-tonin receptor functioning.
99 An example of this interac-tion is provided by the use of specific 5-HT2 receptor an-tagonists (ritanserin and ketanserin) in Cushings disease, which often yields only a temporary decrease in adreno-corticotropic hormone (ACTH) and cortisol secretion, followed by an escape phenomenon. 100

An impressive body of evidence 101,102 supports the concept of an antidepressant mechanism of action that exerts its effects beyond the cell membrane receptors of biogenic amines and leads to enhanced glucocorticoid receptor function and expression. Thus, the phenomena observed with long-term use of serotonin receptor antago-nists in Cushings disease have considerable relevance, particularly considering the fact that long-term treatment with inhibitors of steroid production is unlikely to yield the same phenomenon. 98 It has thus been postulated 98 that long-term treatment with antidepressant drugs in nonendocrine depression, after an initial phase of normal-ization of the HPA axis, may recruit its ACTH-dependent activation, which results in loss of clinical effect. The poor prognosis of remitted patients who still display abnormalities of the HPA axis is in line with this hypothesis. 98

Activation of hormonal markers of stress response fol-lowing discontinuation of SSRI has been described 103 and thus may lead to increased vulnerability to relapse in sus-ceptible individuals.

Cross-Sensitization With Behavioral and Cognitive Phenomena

Activation of the HPA axis may be permissive for re-peated psychostimulant sensitization. 96 Indeed, the acute and sensitizing effects of amphetamine are diminished by adrenalectomy. There is considerable evidence of cross-
sensitization between psychoactive drugs and environ-mental stressors,104 and such cross-sensitization may be HPA mediated.

Post 105 postulated that both sensitization to stressors and episode sensitization may occur in mood disorders and became encoded at the level of gene expression. In particular, stressors and the biochemical concomitants of the episode can themselves induce the proto-oncogene c-fos and related transcription factors, which then affect
the expression of transmitters, receptors, and neuropep-tides that alter responsiveness in a long-lasting way. 105

Segal et al. 106 extended these possibilities to negative pat-terns of information processing, and Benazzi 107 extended them to residual symptomatology. In this context, antide- pressant drugs may display a protective effect. We cannot
exclude, however, thatthrough an action mediated by the HPA axisthey may also potentiate both sensitization
of stressors and episode sensitization


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http://www.madnessradio.net/files/tardivedysphoriadarticle.pdf
(TDp = tardive dysphoria)

Serotonin transporter polymorphism

A genetic polymorphism has been identified in which the pro-moter region of the serotonin transporter gene has a 44 base inser-tion or deletion[68,69]. The deletion variation is generally labeled the short form or s form of the serotonin transporter and is asso-ciated with roughly a 50% reduction in the number of serotonin transporter units in the membrane [70]. Subjects with this variant are at a greater risk of experiencing a major depressive illness inthe setting of adversity[7173]. Additionally, when these individ-uals are treated with an SRI antidepressant, they are either less likely to respond or have delayed response [7477].

It is not known how this increased risk for depression comes
about, but neuroplastic changes may play a role. It is known that
modification of serotonergic neurotransmission alters arborization
of the dendritic tree of serotonergic neurons [78,79]. Mice that lack
the serotonin transporter have fewer serotonergic neurons and re-
duced serotoninergic function and express more behaviors associ-
ated with anxiety and depression [80]. This phenotype can be
mimicked by treatment of normal mice with the SRI fluoxetine in
early life. New born mouse pups given fluoxetine for only 1 week
express anxiety symptoms as adults [81].

The reduction in the number of synaptic serotonin transporters
associated with the short form of the serotonin transporter is very
similar to the chronic 6085% blockade of these transporters that
occurs with SRI treatment [82,83]. This suggests that the s allele
might serve as a model for chronic exposure to an SRI antidepres-
sant,particularlywhenadministeredtoyoungindividuals.Inyoung
animals, reducing or eliminating serotonin transporter function
causes changes in serotoninergic architecture and function and
associated increased depressive and anxious behaviors [81,84].

Similar experiments have not been performed in adult animals
whose brains are less plastic and have already completed develop-
ment. Nonetheless, it would seem likely that chronic treatment
with an SRI in adults might result in neuroplastic changes in the
serotonin system similar to those seen in the animal experiments.
These changes may underlie the observation that tryptophan
depletion experiments are much more likely to induce depression,
or induce a more severe depression, if the subjects have been tak-
ing serotonin reuptake inhibiting drugs [85]. In this case the con-
traction of the serotoninergic system removes the reserve, so
that depletion is much more likely to cause depression.

In humans, chronic exposure to antidepressants might induce
neuroplastic changes in the serotonin system similar to those that
occur in early development of subjects possessing the short form.
This effect might be more pronounced if the antidepressant expo-
sure occurred when the brain was more plastic (e.g., younger age),
or if the individual already has reduced serotonin transporter func-
tion due to a genetic variant such as the short for of the serotonin
transporter. These groups might be considered particularly high
risk for the development of TDp.

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Does this seem reasonable to you?

- doxogenic


Earlier TRD/anxiety
300 mg tianeptine, 6 X 50 mg successfully since Oct 2009
20 mcg liothyronine
40 mg escitalopram
100 mg trimipramine
50 mg agomelatine
600 mg quetiapine


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