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Re: Seriously What's Happened To Meds Board???? » Fred23

Posted by Vincent_QC on January 13, 2009, at 7:17:14

In reply to Re: Seriously What's Happened To Meds Board????, posted by Fred23 on January 13, 2009, at 3:41:27

> I've read several books over the last few months, after having begun actually taking an SSRI, and wonder if people here know such "basics" as (off the top of my head, rather than a thorough review of what I've learned):
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> 1. Most/many drug studies submitted to the FDA are biased, often having been done by those with financial ties to the drug maker.
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> 2. Most/many so-called research papers are ghost-written for the drug companies.
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> 3. For FDA approval, new drugs don't have to be better than old drugs, just 51% better than a placebo.
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> 4. Most/many new drugs are "me-too" re-hashes of older drugs that the company just wants to extend the patent on. (E.g., Prilosec vs. Nexium.)
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> 5. Legitimate studies show that SSRIs don't have a very high rate of actually working.
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> 6. Science doesn't actually know *why* SSRIs do work, when they are successful.
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> 7. Doctors get most of their "education" via drug salespeople.
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> 8. Doctors aren't trained in statistics enough to be able to interpret even real studies.
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> So, there is very little *real* info for doctors or patients to go by for what the drugs actually do.
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> So a board like this is the ideal place for that type of info to be discussed.
>

I'm not surprise...and I think everyone with a minimum of awareness and knowledge already know all of this...but thanks to point this out!!! That's why we found quality in all members of this website here no? ;-)

My 2 cents on all of this... the medicine is not very advanced in the domain of psychologicals problems...I'm so not surprise to see that the FDA only approve product with a low minimum of efficiency.

For the patented drugs...I think a lot of the people here know this also...Celexa VS Cipralex, Effexr-XR VS Pristiq, PAxil VS Paxil CR... If someone have a minimum of IQ, he will be able to related the pharmaceutical compagnies VS the financial side of them...They don't produce and promote drugs just to help the peoples, they exist because they want to make money...like we want to make money too...Can we blame them? I think some of them have to be blame...but not all of them either. We have to remember that without some pharmaceutical compagnies, this board would not exist...(Thanks to GSK who make the good Parnate, thanks to Pfizer for the Nardil...and many others...)...

For what I also read on books and from TONS of years surfing the web, is that for MY MAIN problems (Social phobia), Nardil and Parnate + Rivotril are the only 3 drugs with more than 60% of success rate 60-85% I think...

Only 15-25% of people on a SSRI's or SRNI's drugs will see some improvements of the social phobia or achieve a remission state, the TCA's are completely innefective to treat the social phobia, even the popular imipramine, a CTB make also a big difference...and tend to make the remission state last longer...And many others factors and things that I read but don't remember...

One thing is sure...when a Doctor or a PDOC absolutely want to prescribe to me a NEWER drug (I had several doctors like this) and I teel the doctor I can't afford to paid the price of the new drugs and he talk about the fact that I can be sponsored by the pharmaceutical compagny and when I hear him talk about the futur visit of the sales representative of this compagny next week and about SAMPLES box of the NEW DRUG, I take my legs and just want to run out of his office...that's not a good sign!!! Hahaha

I keep very bad memories about my experience with the so unfamous CIPRALEX drug...I have a beautifull 45 pounds of FAT also that I keep as a souvenir...everytime I see it in front of the mirror, I remember the so GOOD CIPRALEX...and how it was suppose to be aMAGICAL drug in comparaison with the Celexa, also from the same compagny but now not patented...

Anyway...we canno't do anything against US (pharmaceutical compagnies)...


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