Posted by worriedgf on June 25, 2008, at 23:17:30
In reply to Re: Celexa and MJ - do they cancel out? » worriedgf, posted by Horned One on June 25, 2008, at 13:00:03
> How much MJ does he smoke and how often does he use it?
I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH, BUT ONE TIME I ASKED HOW OFTEN AND HE SAID ON HIS DAYS OFF WHICH IS USUALLY 2 DAYS A WEEK. NOW I DONT KNOW HOW OFTEN DURING THOSE DAYS, BUT WHEN I WAS UP THERE FOR A WHOLE WEEK I OBSERVED HIM SMOKING AFTER WORK (NO IDEA HOW MUCH CUZ I WAS NEVER AROUND HIM WHILE HE DID IT. I WAS IN ANOTHER ROOM) 4 NIGHTS. ONE NIGHT HE EVEN WALKED IN THE DOOR, DIDN'T GIVE ME A KISS, PUT HIS CLOTHES IN THE WASHER, SPENT AN HOUR WITH ME (I WAS SICK :( ) AND THEN ABANDONED ME FOR ANOTHER HOUR (I HAD BEEN STUCK AT HIS HOUSE WHILE HE WAS AT WORK FOR LIKE 8HRS) AND I GOT FRUSTRATED AND OPENED THE DOOR TO THE ROOM HE SMOKES IN AND SAID AS I CHOKED FROM THE SMOKE, DOES IT TAKE AN HOUR?!?! AND I STORMED UP TO THE BEDROOM. I'D BEEN ALONE MOST OF THE DAY AND I FELT ABANDONED...BUT THEN AGAIN I WAS PMSING TOO :D
You don't seem to say. Is it the idea that he uses MJ at all, or the amount he smokes that bothers you most?I THINK IT IS JUST THE MERE FACT THAT HE USES IT THAT BOTHERS ME. I WAS RAISED THAT YOU DON'T DO DRUGS AND YOU DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE, I BARELY EVER HAVE MORE THAN 2 DRINKS AND HAVE NEVER IN MY 26 YEARS OF LIFE BEEN DRUNK, NOT ONCE. ALSO, WHEN HE ASKED ME TO BE HIS GF I TOLD HIM I WOULD BUT HE HAD TO STOP SMOKING POT...HE DID, BUT HAS SINCE TAKEN IT UP AGAIN AND I TOLD HIM I FEEL LIKE YOU DON'T CARE BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT'S THE ONE THING I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO DO BUT NOW YOU JUST DO IT ANYWAYS...(THIS IS AN ISSUE I'M GONNA PRESS BECAUSE IT WAS MY ONLY STIPULATION!)
If he spends most days sitting around stoned then I'd say he has a problem.
HE DOES NOT.I understand why don't want to raise a child with a chronic MJ user. It would probably be difficult for him to take up his own share of parental responsibility with that pattern of usage.
THIS IS WHAT IM AFRAID OF, BUT AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING I NEED TO OBSERVE IN HIM BEFORE DECIDING ON KIDS.
You might find he has less inclination to use if you start living together though.
I'M HOPING THIS IS TRUE...HE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE MANY MANY FRIENDS AND HE DOESN'T GO OUT AT ALL REALLY. HIS BEST FRIEND AND MY BEST FRIEND WERE BOTH LOST (WE STOPPED TALKING TO THEM, THEY DIDN'T DIE) WHEN HE AND I STARTED DATING. LONG STORY SHORT, THEY KEPT INTERFERING WITH OUR RELATIONSHIP AND TRYING TO BREAK IT UP, AND TOOK IT TOO FAR, SO WE DECIDED WE DIDN'T NEED THAT DRAMA IN OUR LIVES SO WE BROKE ALL TIES WITH THEM. I AM HOPING THAT WHEN WE DO GET TO SPEND MORE TIME TOGETHER THAT I CAN FIND NUMEROUS THINGS TO DO THAT ARE RELAXING AND NOT SO STRESSING, AND WOULD ELIMINATE HIM FEELING THE "NEED" TO SMOKE IN ORDER TO RELAX. CROSS YOUR FINGERS :)His MJ usage might be a reflection of the company he keeps at the moment, and that might change if he were to spend most of his time around non-users.
I'M NOT SURE WHO ALL HE HANGS AROUND WITH BUT I DO KNOW THAT MOST OF HIS FRIENDS FROM BEFORE HE AND I GOT TOGETHER ARE MORE THAN LIKELY USERS AS WELL. HE MADE MOST OF HIS FRIENDS ON THE COMPUTER AND HE WAS SMOKING BEFORE HE AND I GOT TOGETHER SO I AM SURE THAT'S WHAT MOST OF THEM HAD IN COMMON...AGAIN, ANOTHER THING TO DO WHEN I LIVE THERE...GET BETTER FRIENDS :D
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> Unlike a lot of other recreational drugs Marijuana isn't exceptionally hard to give up, even after heavy use, but once you've got into a habit of taking it regularly there usually has to be a strong motivating reason to stop, and something to reinforce that change. Since he went through a period of heavy alcohol usageI DONT THINK HE HAD A PERIOD OF HEAVY ALCOHOL USE, I THINK HE WOULD DRINK WHEN AT A PARTY WITH FRIENDS AND HE'D USUALLY GET DRUNK...UP UNTIL ONE NIGHT THAT HE GOT REALLY REALLY DRUNK AND WAS HALF CONSCIOUS ON THE GRASS AND HIS FRIEND TOOK PICS OF IT AND UPON SEEING THE PICS HE HAD NO RECOLLECTION OF ANY OF THAT, HE STOPPED DOING IT...WHICH MAKES ME THINK SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN TO HIM TO SHOCK HIM OUT OF SMOKING MJ.
and now has no problem limiting his intake I'd say the chances are good that he can do the same thing with MJ.
I HOPE THAT'S TRUE, THAT HE CAN ONE DAY JUST NOT DO IT, OR WEEN OFF OF IT, OR DO IT ONCE IN A WHILE.A lot of young men go through a period of heavy drinking at some point, and perhaps MJ use too.
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> MJ is known to interact negatively with some antidepressants, usually causing severe rapid heartbeat. Most of the interactions reported have been with the older TCA drugs, probably because the two in combination have strong antimuscarinic effects, but this is less of a problem with the newer SSRIs like Celexa. If your bf was having this kind of interaction I think he would have noticed it by now.
I DON'T THINK HE'S HAVING ANY IRREGULAR HEARTBEATS OR RAPID ONES, HE'S BEEN ON THE CELEXA FOR ABOUT A YEAR, I'D SAY.
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> On a personal note, I have smoked MJ while taking Celexa and Parnate and had no problems. I've also gone through brief periods of heavy use while working with, and associating with other (more chronic) MJ users. I don't peronally feel that occasional use is a huge problem, probably because having taken MJ I can relate to your bf's desire to enhance his creativity.
I DO WANT HIM TO PURSUE HIS MUSIC BECAUSE IT'S WHAT HE LOVES, BUT I DONT SEE THE NEED TO SMOKE IF HE'S NOT GONNA PLAY HIS GUITAR...WHICH HE DOES, BUT ONLY IF HE'S HAD A HORRIBLE DAY AT WORK.As the previous poster said, it tends to make everything seem profound, as if you are looking at a deeper level of reality than the one we operate in in our ordinary, everday lives. Normal consciousness seems shallow and superficial in comparison. I never particulary liked the drug myself, certainly not when used for more than a few days, because I found it drastically impaired my short-term memory, ability to plan and follow through with things etc. It was fun as an occasional way to lift myself out of myself though, a sort of mini ego death. It's easy to see why it appeals to artists and musicians.
I DONT THINK THAT HE SMOKES AND SMOKES FOR DAYS ON END BECAUSE I WOULD NOTICE A CHANGE IN HIM AND HE USUALLY REMEMBERS WHEN I ASK ABOUT THINGS I'D TOLD HIM IN THE PAST.
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> I've known people who smoke MJ several times a day, drive on the drug, and that scares me.
THAT SCARES ME TOO, BUT I KNOW HE KNOWS NOT TO DRIVE WHILE HIGH.I don't know how the drug laws operate in the US, but here the police can perform a random (I think saliva) test on anyone they suspect of driving while under the influence of drugs. The problem is that MJ is detectable for a about three days or more after a single toke, so he needs to be carfeul this way.
HE WORKS IN A JOB THAT DOESN'T TEST RANDOMLY AND HE'S A VERY CAUTIOUS DRIVER. I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT MAKING A CALL TO THE HEADQUARTERS OF HIS WORK AND TELL THEM THEY NEED TO START TESTING...BUT IM SURE THEY WOULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE OF ONE PHONE CALL...I ALSO, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, FEAR THAT HE WON'T CHANGE HIS WAYS UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS, DRASTIC OR NOT. I THOUGHT ABOUT CALLING HIS DOCTOR AND ANONYMOUSLY TELLING HIM THAT MY BF SMOKES POT AND TO SCARE HIM WITH INFO OR TO HELP HIM COPE WITH ANYTHING... OR TO CALL HIS PARENTS lol BUT THAT'S KINDA IMMATURE (IM GONNA TELL UR MOMMY ON U!) I'D LIKE TO WORK THIS OUT AS TWO ADULTS FIRST. I JUST HOPE HIS FATHER DOESN'T GO OVER TO THE HOUSE AND WALK INTO THAT ROOM AND SINCE IT SMELLS IT'LL BE BLATENTLY(?) OBVIOUS...BUT MAYBE THAT'S WHAT IT'D TAKE. WHO KNOWS!
There are a number of so called 'legal highs' that use herbal products to simulate the MJ experience, hence avoiding the risk of detection. I've tried them myself and the experience is very close to the real thing. I don't know if you'd feel any differently about that, but this could be a first step to weaning himself off MJ, and perhaps to stopping his drug use altogether.
WHEN I FIRST LEARNED THAT HE WAS SMOKING AGAIN IT WAS BECAUSE I DISCOVERED THAT HE WAS SMOKING SALVIA DIVINORUM. BUT THEN SOON THEREAFTER I FOUND OUT HE HAD STOPPED SMOKING THAT AND WAS BACK ON MJ. I DIDN'T LIKE THAT HE WAS SMOKING THE S.D. BUT HE SAID "PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SMOKING IT FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, ESPECIALLY THE MEXICANS" AND I'M HALF MEXICAN, AND I KNOW THIS IS TRUE...I COULDN'T QUITE FIND A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR THAT ONE :D
If you're interested let me know and I can post some links.
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> -Horny
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