Posted by yxibow on January 19, 2007, at 13:17:42
In reply to Re: Please be civil. » yxibow, posted by Quintal on January 19, 2007, at 12:17:54
> >No comment. Let's all freebase Cymbalta.
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> So you did comment afterall? I hope you don't take this as being uncivil, but I think you're being petty and childish there yxibow. Cocaine can cause a deviated septum because of its vasoconstrictor effect, which causes tissue damage when blood flow is reduced for long periods of time. I don't think ketamine is such a powerful vasoconstrictor.
Fair enough. Still not a great route for drug entry.>
> >Yes... In medicine. Where there are trained doctors to do this, not watchers and Erowid Vault experiences.
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> The doctors in that scenario were using high anaesthetic doses of IV ketamine along with other substances. The guy still suffered a severe reaction that would have happened wherever he happened to take the ketamine. The 'k-hole' experience may be terrifying for some, others actually like it in a perverse thrill-seeking way, the same way some people like extreme sports, bungee jumping, hang gliding and mountain climbing.
And we have society sometimes to protect us from ourselves, and business to protect us from others, like hang gliding school, rock climbing school, and bungee jumping experts -- and some people still die even with that.
> >Please be civil in your conversations. I am offended and it seems you have a vendetta against my postings on the board.
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> Likewise yxibow. Rovers95 said he found your post aggressive. I could say you yourself have a vendetta against me and other posters who believe in the potential of some drugs of abuse in the treatment of psychiatric disorders, but that would be sulking. I feel you've attempted to silence me and stifle threads on these topics on several occasions.
I haven't attempted to stifle you, I have posed arguments which you have responded to and I have actually agreed with a few of the ideas, like the one in "a controlled setting."
> >How do you know? This is just claimed.
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> I have no reason to distrust rovers95 on the amount of ketamine he is using and the argument is hypothetical - he may not be using ketamine at all, just opening the subject up for discussion. At least he's not advocating the use of large anaesthetic doses.
That's good. But while this is a worldwide discussion, these substances remain prescription and for limited purposes here, and ketamine is largely stolen and diverted from veterinary use, if it hasn't already been fabricated from scratch. This leaves this board unfortunately open for liability as well, even if it is protected speech.
> >Well, then take that bottle and go Robotripping if you want and vomit and have all the effects of downing a bottle of dextromethorphan, but please don't use my tax dollars to bail yourself out at the hospital.
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> I think you've been very rude to me (and to quote Squiggles) presumptuous of my intentions. I would not take DXM with the intention of going 'Robotripping', nor would I be foolish enough to admit myself to hospital with a simple case of nausea and vomiting. All drugs have side effects. Don't worry, I live in the UK so none of your precious tax dollars would be affected in any way even if I did. Treatment is free here in any case.
I would love universal health care -- go tell our... well I'll leave politics elsewhere, legislators.
> >Good heavens this board is going weird.
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> No it isn't. This board is simply exploring new and unconventional ways of treating depression. That may seem strange and offensive to you but you are under no obligation to read the threads or participate in the discussion. Please don't ruin the thread for people who would like to discuss the use of ketamine in depression.
How am I ruining the thread by expressing my opinion that one admitted having illicitly obtained ketamine? That's my only comment. I've seen people using it and at least one who went into a k-hole, I don't get the use of it, but I am entitled to my opinion.At any rate, I went off myself, but the both of you were making a mockery of me, and I quote:
> >I can't believe I'm actually typing this.
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> That's alright. You may be having a dissociative reaction. Try to stay calm, take deep breaths and back away from the computer.Haha, can't stop laughing at this!! Thanks quintal!!
If you want to make comments about childishness, the schoolyard gangup of oh yeah, that's funny to mock yxibow as well, I consider just as childish.
Let's both be civil and I will agree to stay out of your alternative discussions as much as I can because we obviously both have very different opinions on things like Ketamine, PCP, DXM, which I would consider even more dangerous than the alternative use of codeine and morphine/morphine derivatives.And the "...to hear from people who have taken PCP and DXM (I have a bottle in my cupboard for that very purpose)"
I may have misinterpreted, but the reason that we have to sign poison pads for dextromethorphan and pseudoephedrine in the US, because they're restricted to sale and age, for their intended purpose, is because people do all sorts of things with them like.... make crystal meth and.... go on dissociative highs at 15 and use whatever they can get including Coricin which would contain dangerous levels of multiple substances at that rate.So I recant that -- if its not an issue in England, go ahead and use it for what you want, but know how debasing in the US it is to sign for poor quality cough syrup that was formerly purely OTC. And in England you also have the option of signing off for codeine -- that left the US a long time ago because people were using it for purposes unintended at doses unintended and getting ill among other reasons.
Let's leave it there and not make things personal.
-- Jay.
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