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Re: MAOIs » ed_uk

Posted by yxibow on May 6, 2006, at 1:49:52

In reply to Re: MAOIs » yxibow, posted by ed_uk on May 5, 2006, at 14:06:46

> >Is there a study?
>
> I think it's pretty obvious than most people do not suffer from severe sinusitis on a regular basis.

Probably true -- but its not a fun situation, anyhow, we can go beyond the sinusitis issue and drop it.

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> >No, its not a euphemism, its exactly what it is according to my doctor who has I think two decades more experience than myself as an MD.
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> There's nothing controlled about delivering an electric shock to the head. Sorry, anyone who thinks otherwise is just deluding themself. ECT is a very crude procedure, even with EEG monitoring etc. Unsurprisingly, psychiatrists who have been involved will have convinced themselves that it is safe - for their own peace of mind if nothing else.

No, actually it is the same misinformed information that I am beginning to believe for myself about some use of MAOIs just as there is misinformed use about modern, controlled ECT in institutions that use the most modern equipment, procedures, anaesthetics, and practices. I certainly know there are hospitals around here and other parts of the country I wouldn't want it done in if it came to that.

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> >I wouldnt go there any more than I would an MAOI.
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> Neither MAOIs nor ECT are established treatments for OCD or somatoform disorders.......so I wouldn't really blame you.

Not established but actually mentioned as a treatment by my doctor for my condition, as an end run use. Plus the fact that ECT has a far more immediate effect on neurotransmitters than any medication.

He would not recommend an MAOI because I am a vegetarian and there are way too many things contraindicated. Like Soy ___ (fill in the blank) for starters.


> >So why post it, I was lost ?
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> I posted it because it gave information RE the voltage and current used in ECT - which is enough to make my eyes water.
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> >Mm... ask the millions of Americans who use it daily.
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> I work in a pharmacy, I am well aware that many people are happy to buy what are effectively placebos (eg. expectorant cough medicines, Sudafed PE) on a regular basis. It is not, therefore, surprising that people should be happy to buy dextromethorphan. It is very easy to convince people that a medication is effective, even when it is not. The recommendation of a friend, the pharmacist or an advertisement.........


I've found guaifenesin effective and dextromethorphan effective for coughs over what I would consider a placebo value, and I buy whatever is the cheapest generic at the local drugstore anyhow. There are some OTC medications that are effective, some not terribly so. Loratadine is fairly harmless and does work. Hydrocortisone for my dry hands on a rare occasion is nice, but not for extended use, plus for contact dermatitis that I got before I wore long sleeves at the garden I volunteer at. Aforementioned, saline solutions are useful for various rhinitis and sinus conditions. Acetaminophen is perhaps the most useful and yet most dangerous as you know it is a popular method for exiting this existence in England. Ibuprofen I find quite effective at 4 or 600 for tension headaches.


But you have some points about placebos -- and they do work after all 33% of the time as studies have shown. And there have been recent articles about OTC medications and effectiveness. I'm not shooting you down on it, I'm only saying I've gained some purpose from some OTC medications. For others, it may do not a darn thing.

> >Hmm.. I won't go there because that's character assasination.

I think you misunderstood me. I did not want to comment on your use of codeine for euphoria because I didn't want to hurt your feelings, and I feel you have taken it 180 degrees from what I was intending to say, Ed. I didnt want to offend you and I'm sorry if I did.


> I find your remark offensive. Codeine is effective in making me feel better. I find that it causes very mild side effects, which is more than can be said for the drugs you take.


For one off use. Over time, the codeine that is converted into morphine in your body will become habit forming. Sure, you can get off of it, just watch trainspotting -- and its not like heroin, but its not an approved use for the medication. That's why they banned it all over the US here because people were using it for stuff other than bad coughs.


Now you're character assassinating me about the medication regime that I disdain, Ed, and that's not fair either. I have a horrible disorder that nobody yet on this planet have I met has and I don't relish taking 6 medications a day to palleate it and not even cure.


A lot of people take meds to feel better. A lot of people enjoy a glass of wine on an evening.

I enjoy your Blackthorn cider. I have no issue there.

I guess you've been brainwashed by the 'war on drugs' etc,

definately not... see below

which is particularly interesting considering that amount of diazepam you take.


I have no desire to take 170mg of diazepam a day. It has reached the same steady state as the slightly more than 8mg of clonazepam I was taking. I could theoretically be more engaged with society and not need to pay as much attention at the wheel (we all should pay attention at the wheel though), but would I be in danger of wanting to commit suicide because the lights returned back as bright as they were in 2001? Its an unanswered question.


I think you're feeling hurt -- I'm not brainwashed by the war on drugs; I dont think people using small quantities of marijuana should be prosecuted, this country spends way too much time on it and I support all initiatives to legalize medical use of marijuana, considering it was legal until the 1930s in this country.


I've never used so-called illegal drugs but if I didn't have a bevy of polypharmacy on board always in my life I wouldn't mind trying marijuana, so you don't have my views at all correct there.


Just the same this isn't a forum for discussing drugs not legal in either of our countries so I can't go further without getting a Dr Bob comment.


At the same time, shooting up heroin is not my idea of something that should be sold over the counter. And meth labs defy all logic -- I can't imagine why someone would want to be barely coherent and climbing the walls -- I've seen people on crystal, as you know it is prevalent in the gay community. And people have an opinion that somehow exstacy is no worse than popping a Prozac and GHB is child's play. I've seen someone on Ketamine too, and that is just mind boggling also.

So, "softer drugs", aka marijuana, possibly your one off use of codeine with a strong caveat, alcohol, tobacco (though I think it should be erased from this planet because it drives up healthcare costs in this country and to watch people die of it is cringe making -- and it seems to be on the rise in the club community here), possibly khat (although that goes into the more hardcore stimulant range....), a light "poppy tea" like you brits used to make (and I mean light) -- okay, for those of age.

"Hard drugs" - X, K, GHB, Crystal, Heroin, Cocaine -- bad. bad bad. Explosive buildings bad. Poverty and driveby shooting bad. All around bad.


Dont create a rift with us, Ed -- I think you are having a bad day or are totally misinterpreting me over my banter on medications which is my right as much as yours here on Dr Bob. We are on the same track personally and I've told you that in babblemail. And I will tell you that again.

Sincerely, and tidings

-- Jay

 

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