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Re: Survector expired

Posted by sukarno on May 5, 2005, at 8:51:58

In reply to Re: Survector expired sukarno, posted by ed_uk on May 5, 2005, at 6:16:15

Hi Ed! :-)

I've always wondered why Nardil and TCAs such as imipramine are more effective at blocking panic attacks, because SSRIs and many other drugs target the same neurotransmitters as the older MAOIs and TCAs.

Is there some mode of action that Nardil and Tofranil (imipramine) have that is separate from their effects on 5-HT and to a lesser extent NE that causes them to have much higher efficacy than the SSRIs?

I remember that imipramine was heavily sedating and that was good for me because I needed a good night's sleep after all that anxiety and panic. I've heard Nardil is not sedating though.

Tofranil is said to be the gold standard in treating panic disorder anyway (or used to be).

Survector is still being produced in Uruguay according to an online pharmacy, but I'd bet that they are wrong about it after doing more searching on Google.

I think it was forced off the market due to the SSRIs. I've never heard of a medication that was on the market for 21 years and then suddenly pulled like that.

We, the sufferers/victims of anxiety/depression, are not the ones who are considered when the big decisions are made by the top drug companies, etc.

I remember when I had told the first psychiatrist I saw here in Indonesia about my panic disorder, he ignored what I had said about my bad reactions to SSRIs and prescribed me Zoloft anyway. Of course I didn't fill it.

I'm still taking Stablon, but lowered the dose to 2 tablets a day.. headache is much improved. Is that headache caused by serotonin?

I feel quite depressed though. I'm hoping to find some antidepressant that will work and not be chock full of sexual side effects or anxiety like SSRIs or the cardiotoxicity of TCAs, etc.

I guess I'm afraid to try Nardil. What foods _can_ I eat on Nardil? I know to avoid tyramine-rich foods, but what I eat now is:

baked beans, spaghetti noodles, high fiber wheat bread, olive oil.

That's my vegan diet. lol... Is that free of tyramine?

Thanks Ed. I think you are a psychopharmacologist in reality, eh? hehheh. You know your stuff about medications and mechanisms of action, etc.

Best regards,





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