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Re: more MAOI diet questions - sorry » KaraS

Posted by gardenergirl on January 2, 2005, at 16:43:13

In reply to more MAOI diet questions - sorry, posted by KaraS on January 2, 2005, at 16:07:19

Hi Kara,
This reply is based on my experience and level of caution only. Your results may vary.

> It said that cured and aged meats are off limit but then said that pepperoni is ok. Isn't pepperoni cured? Is baked ham ok?

I stay away from salami and pepperoni and similar sausages. I do eat pork and turkey ground sausage. I never liked pepperoni or salami anyway, so this has not been a problem for me, but I always pick it off of pizza just in case.
>
> I read here that only the fermented soy products are the ones you need to stay away from yet I also read a post in the archives here of someone who claimed to have a crisis from pancakes made from a mix. She later looked at the label and saw that it contained soy powder. If you were to go to a restaurant and order pancakes, are you taking a risk?

Wow, this is a new one. I doubt that you would be taking a risk with restaurant pancakes. I am fairly certain I had some at IHOP since I started Nardil and had no problem. You can always ask what is in the batter, though. That's where my printed card comes in handy.
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> Are raisins still considered a problem? Someone here also said to look out for raisin paste and tomato paste. ??

I've eaten raisins with no problem. I have never had raisin paste, but tomato paste in my homemade spaghetti sauce was just fine. It was OLD (in a can), too.
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> Do I need to stay away from all Chinese food? Or do I remember some of you saying that you only go to ones you really trust. Even if it's a good restaurant, how can you know how old the stock is that they use?

I've stayed away from Chinese food since I started an MAOI. This has not been much of a hardship for me. I suppose if it is a place where you can get to know the cook staff or the manager, you could inquire about ingredients and stuff.
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> The summary I read also said to stay away from kava beans and pods. I have no idea what foods they're used in. It also said to stay away from "Chinese pea pods etc." That's the first I had heard of chinese pea pods being a problem and what does the "etc." refer to?

I assume etc. lumps Chinese pea pods with Kava beans and pods. I have had no problem eating sugar snap pea pods (fresh). I've not encountered these ingredients in anything I've wanted to eat, so I haven't had a problem. But I did include them on my card.

> I'm still concerned about going out to eat and getting steak that has been cooked with some soy sauce/steak sauce on it or going out and getting meatballs that have been prepared using soy protein isolate or concentrate like all of the ones from Trader Joe's.

You know, I'm sure I have had soy protein isolate. I initially stayed away from all frozen processed food stuff that included autolyzed yeast extract (it's ubiqitous!!!) and soy protein isolate. But I finally decided that the amounts in these items seem to be small, and I've never had a reaction. I'm not a vegetarian, though, so I probably don't have as much soy protein as a veg. might.
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> Don't remember seeing anything about avocadoes in that summary? Are they ok or not?

I've seen avocadoes listed as a no no, and I've also seen only avoid overly ripe avocadoes. I recently had guacamole with no problem, but I have not had a fresh avocado or a very ripe one since being on Nardil.


> I hate all of the gray area here. It's driving me bonkers!!!

It is annoying how much inconsistency there is. I tended to look at which foods showed up the most frequently and avoided them at all costs at first. And then I began to cautiously experiment with the things that were least likely to be a risk based on either people's reports here on Babble or the studies measuring the amount of tyramine. For example, I was only drinking white wine when I first started, but now I drink reds with no problem (I've never liked chianti, so I don't drink that....that one is listed specifically, so I don't know if it's okay or not.) I've also added mozzarella, provolone and goat cheese, as they all seem to be relatively fresh. And Kraft Parmesan "Cheese" in the can...that has been okay, too, although I don't use a large amount.

Start really cautious and and be smart. You'll find what works for you. And you certainly appear to be capable of making good judgements about this. So I am confident you will be okay, unless you really really crave something that is an absolute no no, like blue cheese, draft beer or aged whiskey or something.

gg

 

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