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Re: Nardil Veteran » KaraS

Posted by Spotcheck on December 20, 2004, at 12:15:10

In reply to Re: Nardil Veteran » Spotcheck, posted by KaraS on December 20, 2004, at 9:04:29

> > Perhaps, but it most assuredly causes the "carbohydrate starvation" I mentioned earlier. It's very hard to resist. Hence, most people end up having to work out much harder just to keep this under control and they still gain some weight.
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> Is this worse than the "carb. starvation" that you get with a sedating TCA? I've had that problem before.
>
> Have you ever tried Parnate or Marplan?
> I wonder if there's as much weight gain with Marplan.
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> > When you know your life hangs in the balance, you would not believe what you can drive yourself to do.
>

I feel that my life is the balance right now too...

I understand and that is not a place I ever want to visit again.

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> > > > > Have you compared the new Nardil to the old, original Nardil?
> > > >
> > >
> > > > I sure have. My experience is unique, but I take exactly 37.5 mg of "new" Nardil the same that I used to take of "old" Nardil. This is probably true for most people, but I do know people who do not respond well if at all to "new" Nardil anymore. As a result I made a elixir I call Liquid Nardil, which works extremely well, but it's expensive. Still, it does what Pfizer's "new" Nardil will not do in some people.
> >
> > > > Understand, "new" Nardil is generic Nardil. That is all that is made anywhere in the world these days including England where Link UK makes a generic Nardil and Australia where Link AUS makes generic Nardil, but also puts the old orange Sucrose coating on it -- which makes it appear to be "old" Nardil, but it's not.
> >
> > > So even if the stuff from the UK is not the original Nardil, could it also be that it is just a better generic than what we have in the U.S.?
> >
> > No. I can tell you the excipients of all of the known forms of Nardil made today, including "old" Nardil. You have to understand that the excipients of any medication actually determine how the active ingredient, in this case Phenelzine Sulfate is metabolized. If your body does not metabolize it, and I know some people for whom this is indeed the case, you have to make some hard choices to make.
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>I'm confused. Are you saying that the Nardil in the UK is not better but just has some different excipients than that produced in the U.S.?

Yes, that is precisely what I am saying. All Nardil made today is generic Nardil, not "old" Nardil. This is a really old medication now dating back to the late 1950s. Lakeside Pharmaceuticals first developed it.

>The person I'm referring to who is doing better on the UK version is doing so probably because the excipients in that forumlation are more conducive to that individual being able to absorb it better?

Perhaps, but there is very little difference between the three (really two since Link UK's Nardil and Link AUS's Nardil are identical except for the outer coating) variations that exist today. All are reformulations of Pfizer's "old" Nardil.

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> > > So what is it exactly that you do to the Nardil you buy to make it liquid and why is it better?
> >
> > I make an elixir and I do not do a thing to any one else's Nardil. There's not enough Phenelzine Sulfate in those tablet to make my elixir. 15 mg is not very much. I start from scratch and make my own. That was the point of this exercise - to come up with a functional equivalent for "old" Nardil for people for whom "new" Nardil does not work. Of course I was the first Clinical trial. This is not FDA approved and is much less efficient than any Nardil tablet, but I have save at least one person's life with it. Otherwise, it was suicide for him (a fate several of his relatives have suffered.)
> >
> > It is very simple. The expense is purchasing 10 grams of Phenelzine Sulfate or Phenelzine HCL to make your first liter. I do not synthesize these myself, or it might be much cheaper. But the idea is that others can do this for themselves with my assistance via e-mail -- if necessary. It bypasses the entire American Medical Establishment. That means, no more Pharmaceutical companies; no more Psychiatrists; no more prescriptions, and no more Pharmacies. You will need a very good chemical company though and some simple equipment. I have half a mind to do this to several other medications just to demonstrate the power of the technique. Problem is I do not take them. I could not in good conscience offer something I had not made and taken myself.
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Truly amazing!

A lot of people were really groping when Pfizer stopped making "old" Nardil at the end of 2003. She lied to the FDA and told them that she had a shelf life problem with old Nardil, when really it's all about improving her bottom line. Still any Pharmaceutical Company has the right to reformulate a medication they make whenever they desire so long as they follow FDA guidelines.

I decided it was necessary to come up with something that worked as well, but I do not have the knowledge or the money required to make "old" Nardil tablets. Because of those two facts, I decided to make a liquid instead of tablets. My hypothesis was to use only a really good carrier solvent to take the Phenelzine Sulfate into the blood stream, where it is metabolized by the liver and then sent to the cortex of the human brain.
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> > > Have you never wanted to try anything else in
> > all of these years?
> >
> > Only because of the side-effects. To that end I found the best Psychiatrist I could find in Dr. John P. Feighner, formerly the head of Feighner Research Institute in San Diego, CA. Now he is on the Board of Directors of Innapharma, Inc. and only sees select patients. He's cashing in after a long an distinguished career. I do not blame him one bit as he has been in the trenches fighting the worse forms of these illnesses for most of his adult life.

> Too bad. I don't live all that far from there (in LA).

Feighner's Research Institute still exists in San Diego. Dr. Feighner is just no longer active there anymore. You can visit it on the Internet though.

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> > We tried everything reasonable and several unreasonable treatment alternatives in 1984 through 1985. In fact, I pushed the field of Psychiatry as far as it goes and had Stereotatic limbic leucotomy based upon his recommendation. It actually helped some and forced me to reduce the amount of Nardil I must take from 45 mg to 37.5 mg. When those lesions kicked in I had no choice but to cut back or I would be up all night. Hence, I did exactly that, but my goal was eliminate the need for the medication entirely. I now believe that once must actually alter genes in order to achieve this end. That or perhaps use fetal stem cells to replace damaged neurons or receptors of neurons.
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> > >Actually, it's probably wise that you didn't. You read so many posts here of people going off of a medication but they can never get that original good response back again when they restart on it.
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> > I just never have had that problem with Nardil. If I stop taking it, when I resume it works just exactly the same for me.

>Definitely lucky in that respect.

I could not agree more.

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> > > > >(Sorry to ask so many questions but I'm having trouble deciding what medication to try next and I have to make a decision quickly.)
> > > >
> > > > No problem at all Kara. Interesting survey though.
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > >
>
> Thanks again,
> Kara

It's been a pleasure, Kara.

Dave


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