Posted by Psychquackery on August 25, 2003, at 18:46:56
In reply to you don't think that...., posted by linkadge on August 25, 2003, at 18:22:36
> I don't mean to offend you but...
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> 1) You really and - *honesty* - do not
> believe that *anyone* has experienced
> depression the same way you have.
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> 2) You think that there is only *one* *true*
> depression and that is the one that
> *you've* had.
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> 3) You assume that if you didn't respond to
> prozac, then *nobody* will - or a least
> nobody who has had *real* depression.
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> 4) You assume that people who respond to things
> that you didn't are flufs, not a person
> who has experienced *real* depression.
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> It *is* possible that two people (who respond to two different treatments) (with neither responding to the others' treatment) have experienced the same level of depression.
> Some people's cure is a lot easier found, call it cruel misfortune but it *is* possible.
>
> What you are saying with your cortisol theory
> is sound, but you are throwing in tones of other things, that insult many people on this board.
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> Linkadge
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All Im saying is that there are a substantial number of people with severe forms of major depression for whom the existing drugs DO NOT WORK. And psychiatry isnt doing enough to help these individuals. And they create a big lie or fascade that "you will be OK" if you just take your prozac or similar such monoamine type antidepressant and go to psychotherapy. Its a lie and a lot of longtime oldtimer depressives have figured it out their own.Even some psychiatrists are saying this very thing. In the article I posted above by shock doc Max Fink, he says that those with psychotic depression or severe melancholia respond poorly to antidepressants alone. He says ECT is the best treatment for this form of depression. Why is there such denial of this in the depressive population and why does nobody want to talk about it or discuss it? Fear of electricity? Fear of ECT? Laziness?
I read in another article recently by psychopharmacologist Alan Schatzberg of Stanford University who claims the same thing as Fink. That a certain percentage of depressives with high cortisol levels tend to do poorly on conventional antidepressants, but do well on ECT.
Why is psychiatry not working harder to target this specific subgroup of depressives? Who have the most severe form of depression? And are the most chronically disabled. Psychiatry and the drug industry just want to continue developing BULLSHIT monoamine antidepressants or STUPID goofy things like rTMS that dont work. In short, WHERE IS THE BEEF? There is no beef, because psychiatry sucks.
Igor
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