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Re: Baking soda and adderall or dexedrine » blondegirl47

Posted by Larry Hoover on August 15, 2003, at 9:22:50

In reply to Re: Baking soda and adderall or dexedrine » Larry Hoover, posted by blondegirl47 on August 14, 2003, at 13:52:20

> I will do a cut and paste from what 3beers wrote last year.

Thank you for taking the trouble to do this.

>Along with what he says, baking soda is so high in sodium it can make your bloodpressure soar.

I think sodium restriction is far over-blown as a health concern. Just my opinion.

> Here what 3beers said:
> The absorption & effects of Amphetamines are also dependent on the ph of the stomach & the urine. An alkaline agent such as Baking Soda (dissolved in water) increases the absorption of amphetamines in the stomach, and baking soda in higher doses makes the urine alkaline, greatly slowing the elimination & thus prolonging the duration & effects of amphetamines (although taking baking soda for this effect is supposed to be pretty bad for your health- Your body constantly tries to find a ph equilibrium, in both the stomach & especially in the blood which is neutral in ph except with severe dehydration or serious health problems).

OK. So, here I've got a bit of a problem, conceptually. The implication is that bicarbonate ion readily enters the blood from the gut. Blood that is too high in pH is the same thing as saying that the blood has too much bicarbonate. The kidneys will adjust the pH downwards by pulling bicarbonate into urine, but that process can also be reversed, if the pH swings too far the other way. What I don't understand is how urine pH affects dexedrine excretion. (Urine pH as a surrogate marker for blood pH? But blood pH never gets anywhere close to stomach pH, so there is no overlap whatsover in the protonation of dexedrine.) The urine has already left the body, so to speak, as it is across the kidney membranes from the blood. The kidneys still touch the urine, so they can reverse the flow, but I don't see how that affects dexedrine.

The other way that your body adjusts pH is to change the rate of breathing and the depth of each breath. Too much bicarbonate would lead to shallower, less frequent breathing (and thus, less oxygen saturation). That's not a good thing, obviously, but I don't see frequency of bicarbonate use being an issue. It's dose that would be the critical factor.

Anybody have any thoughts on this?

> Acidic agents/food/drinks such as certain fruit juices decrease the duration & effect of amphetamines (thus it is better to drink water with Adderall/Dexedrine instead of fruit juice or Colas
>
> Hope this helps...thanks 3beers if your still out there. :)
> Blondegirl

Thanks,
Lar

 

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