Posted by jay beck on July 6, 2003, at 23:06:52
In reply to Re: Seroquel weight gain and other evils » Jay Beck, posted by Emme on July 6, 2003, at 17:06:20
> > i never said any medication is bad for everyone or anything of that sort, i said it was bad for me and then i compared effectiveness vs. side-effects for many diffrent drugs. Anti-psychotics happened to take the cake for least effective for the amount of side-effects.
> We should take it that this statement applies only to you, then, based on your own personal experience, right?wrong, it applies to a groop study preformed numerous times by the FDA. We also know that they already minamize the amount of side-effects so you can only imagine how many actually exist and happen. i just added my personal example anyway.
> > as for my personal take on anti-psychotics for the record:
> > they are bad as drugs,> Not for everyone.
as effective treatments, id say its a personal answer. As side-effects goes for the majority of reported studies i would classify them as bad drugs.
> > they might work for whoever. they worked for me but the side-effects were untolerable. If you need anti-psychotics go for it, most people on them don't really need them. They could better use mood-stabilizers and anti-deppresants.
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> Doesn't apply to everyone.never said it did, didnt i say "if you NEED them go for it"?
> > Exception: if you have a borderline personality, scitzophrenia, dillusion disorder, PPD or any psychotic issue, or mood-stabalizers have proven ineffective. they are sometimes needed, but sould be avoided if they can.
>> Again, not for everyone.
there are way more exceptions i couldnt list them all, or even possibly know them all."You seem to be making awfully broad sweeping generalizations here."
broad sweeping generalizations huh? mabey if the mojority is a broad sweeping generalization.
But I am sure that if you go to medical school, then some of your rigidity will be tempered by treating a lot of patients and seeing a wide range of responses to different drugs. You'll get the hang of picking the *best* drugs for a given person and may loosen your bias. After all, as I noted above, as an *individual* I tolerate two APs pretty well and have been helped by them at critical times even though I've never been psychotic. From my own point of view, for example, Effexor is *way* tougher to deal with.
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im completely aware that difrent people respond diffrently to certain drugs. im aware that many people can be treated with zombie-pills. i just choose to avoid them becuase there are more then just side-effect related reasons why. they alter your core personality usualy in a negative way. they don't just work on neurotransmitters like anti-deppresants. there are things you won't notice while being treated. i don't even want to say them becuase i'll get the "not to everyone" crap. i've seen enough people on anti-psychotics to tell you they alter the personality significantly. mabey , "not everyone" at the low dose you imagine could help someone who is very neurotic. im talking about the dose required to actually help someone who is psychotic, which is miles away from the side-effects you can even imagine.
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