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Re: Methylcobalamin Ron and Larry » johnj

Posted by Larry Hoover on June 23, 2003, at 8:22:34

In reply to Re: Methylcobalamin Ron and Larry » Larry Hoover, posted by johnj on June 22, 2003, at 13:57:04

> hi Larry,
>
> I would like to pick your brain a bit on this subject. I really enjoyed the post concerning stress and have/will try some of the suggestions...one at a time.
>
>
> <Make sure you take folate proportional to the B-12, mg for mg>
>
> Why is this? I was just going by the article and your suggestion has me intrigued. I bought 1000mcg of methyl take it before eating in the morning. The amount is said to be 16,000 times the daily recommendation. I hope I just pee out the rest?

This is a mysterious thing to me.....intake at these high levels is considered perfectly safe.....your body does store B-12 (but certainly not all of it).....doses of the methyl form (the active form) are as high or higher than those of the less bioavailable cyano form.....

I am certain that your urine will be enriched in B-12. My plan is to use a bottle up, and then see what happens when I don't take it for a bit. If I notice a change in function, I'll restart it, and see if my function is restored. I'm going to seek a functional model for my own body's use of B-12. Numbers be damned (since it is considered safe anyway).

>Would folate in that amount be bad? I take a B-complex too, but am wondering if I am getting too much.

Folate and B-12 work together. That amount of folate is harmless.

>Would 2500 mcg/day of each be too much?

That might be a little high on the B-12. Some conservative authorities put a life-time (i.e. long-term) upper daily limit at 2 mg/day. Surely 32,000 times the daily intake level would be enough? <wink>

> You also suggested lecthin. I tried that a few years ago and it messed with my sleep. Did the same to my brother. I have only seen detrimental info from Pfiffer's site regarding choline etc., for depression. Is it still ok to take the Phosphatidylserine? How should I take it? With meals or by itself?

Individual responses are the only important details, in the end. Recommendations by others are more like statistics. They don't apply to everybody, but which people they don't apply to cannot be predicted.

Take it with food.

>I was thinking of taking it before I do some lite excercise and see what happens, but I might start it a week or two before that just to get a gauge on how it feels.

That would be wiser, IMHO.

> Ginko. It made me spacey the few times I tried it. I have some, but am not sure if I should give it a try again or not.

Try different doses. Space it out at first (every other day). Wait and see if the side effect passes. Don't bother. Lots of options, ya know?

> Thanks Larry. When are you off again? Is the Enada and TMG still holding?

I've been having some weirdness lately, but I still think that's my drug withdrawal. &8%$!!!

> I was wondering how you solved the sleep issue. You mentioned taking a little remeron. Are you off it totally now?
>
> johnj

Ya, I'm totally off it. I took a 30 mg pill, cut it into quarters, and took each piece (largest to smallest) over about a week. It took care of much of the most prominent adverse effects of the withdrawal, but my sleep is still not back to where it was. I wake after no more than four hours, and then may or may not get any more sleep, sporadically, through the rest of the night. Still, it is improving, but slowly.

I'm probably going on the road tomorrow, and I'll only be around sporadically for the next six weeks or so.

Lar

 

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