Posted by Ron Hill on May 9, 2003, at 19:58:04
In reply to Re: Enada NADH and TMG? » Ron Hill, posted by SLS on May 9, 2003, at 17:10:15
Scott,
> These are the major ones that I can think of:
>
> anhedonia
> decreased libido
> hyperphagia
> hypersomnia
> impaired memory
> listlessness
> poor concentration
> psychomotor retardation
> slow thinking
> social inhibition/anxietyBased on your atypical depressive symptoms, I think that a trial of Enada NADH would be well worth a try. Therefore, trot down to the local GNC or other local nutritional store and purchase a box of eight 10 mg sublingual ENADAlert NADH tablets. The particular brand name doesn't matter so long as it is ENADAlert NADH.
The good news is that, within a few minutes after placing the first sublingual tablet under your tongue, you will likely feel remarkably better and within a day or so your atypical depression may go into full remission. The bad news is that, if you continue to take 10 mg/day, it will more than likely begin to make you anxious and/or irritable after a week or so. Therefore, I recommend that you take 10 mg/day of the sublingual product for several days or a week (depending on how it makes you feel) as the acute treatment phase and then switch to the oral down-the-hatch enteric coated Enada NADH formulation (available in 2.5 and 5 mg dosage). Then taper down to a maintenance dose.
My current maintenance dose is 2.5 mg taken once per week. I have a hunch that your maintenance dose might be higher than mine. However, the sixty-four thousand dollar question is whether you will be able to find a maintenance dose that is high enough to adequately treat your atypical depression while at the same time not causing irritability and/or anxiousness.
Further, as you know, TMG seems to make the positive benefits of the Enada NADH last longer for me, which in turn, allows me the opportunity to take it less frequently thereby reducing the irritability attributed to the Enada NADH. TMG might help you in a similar fashion. If I were you I’d start with the ENADAlert NADH first and then add the TMG (if you so choose) after a week or so. This will allow you to determine which is doing what with regard to mood improvement.
Scott, it goes without saying that you should take everything I have just said with a grain of salt. For all I know this stuff might not help you at all. But I do think it is worth the ten bucks or so it will cost you to buy the initial box of ENADAlert NADH. And coenzyme 1 (NADH) is certainly not going to harm you at the doses discussed.
As an aside, I still have unresolved irritability issues (e.g.; flash rage, anger, inpatient, etc) that I am trying to fix. I view my main bipolar mood problems as falling into three major categories; 1) atypical depression, 2) dysphoric mood states, and 3) mildly euphoric hypomania. Clearly, it is an oversimplification to delineate these mood states into separate and distinct problems since, in fact, they are probably all interrelated. However, it seems to help me conceptually to compartmentalize my mood problems in this fashion and then work on each category independently. You know, break a large problem down into smaller more manageable problems. I bring this up only to say that I am currently successfully treating my atypical depression category using Enada NADH, TMG, and other supplements and vitamins, and I’m successfully treating my hypomania with Lithobid. However, the dysphoric mood state category still needs work and, in fact, it is greatly worsened if I take too much Enada NADH.
Scott, you have probably read most of my history with Enada NADH, but I’ll include a link to a recent summary just in case you have not seen it:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030429/msgs/223139.html
Also, here is a page on a web site that shows the ENADAlert NADH, and the 2.5 and 5 mg Enada NADH products:
http://www.iherb.com/enada.html
Let me know how it goes if you try it. Best wishes.
-- Ron
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