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Re: No experts on Benzodiazipines! » Frankie

Posted by andyboy on March 8, 2002, at 10:18:11

In reply to No experts on Benzodiazipines!, posted by Frankie on March 7, 2002, at 21:44:17

> Hello,
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> As I went back and read a few links that were written to me last week, I must admit, I had to laugh. It seems that a few will argue with me until doomsday about the fact that it is more practical to use a benzo. by itself to treat an anxiety disorder, or even a multiple anxiety condition, instead of using a combo of an antidepressant, along with a small dose of a benzo. Well, tell you guys what. I will argue until hell freezes over that it is much more effective, and there is much less of a chance to build a tolerance, if the antidepressant is the first line of treatment, with the benzo second. This is fact. period! End of story. Common sense, along with many, many, many sources will tell you this. If you know anything at all about human physiology, it is very well known that the human body adjusts to anything at all. It does not matter whether it is alcohol, environment, medication, excercise, etc... I could go on and on all night long! I used alcohol as an example when I compared it to klonopin and Xanax. I realize very well that they are not one in the same. But, on the other hand, both act on the GABA system. Albeit, in different ways.
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> The human body is complex. The most complex organism on earth. It will adjust to an antidepressant, antianxiety, antipsychotic, etc... over a period of time. I have never seen or heard, of anyone that remained on the same antidepressant for their entire life, at the same dosage, without ever changing, and receiving optimal benefits from it. For that matter, I have never seen a person on the same antidepressant for their entire life that has elevated the dosage to it's maximum potency, and received optimal benefits from it until the day they died. I have seen people kept on one for 5-10 years, but guess what? Eventually, no matter how long they take the medication with success, it poops out and they try something different. Maybe only for a year, then they go back to the med. that did so well for them all along, with success all over again. But, the body eventually became stale to this medication. So, they needed a switch for a while. It is absolutely no different with benzodiazepines. Period! In fact, the body will likely tolerate those much faster than an antidepressant. They are shorter acting. They are a short term treatment, but can be prescribed for long term use. A person needs to take 3 dosages daily to receive full benefits all day long. With an antidepressant, most only require one dosage at night. However, they can be dosed twice. And most have a half-life of 24 hours minimum.
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> Anyway, here is the main point. This person and that person try to say that they know more than I do about the benzodiazepines. Well, I am sure there are many that do. This does not impress me at all! I am willing to bet that I realize quite a bit more about the reaction of the human body to stimuli than most. And, plain and simple, the more variables one has to adjust, the better the chances they will have to correct their problems. I have always took the approach of using an antidepressant as first line of treatment, with the antianxiety med. second. I realize that many people place importance on their sex life, as do I, but there are ways to negate the sexual side effects of about 95% of antidepressants. Simple Vitamin E, Vitamin C, Ginko Biloba, or Yohimbe, will all do the trick. This has alway been my way around it. I also realize that many people gain success from a Klonopin, or Ativan, for years. I am not questioning that. I am questioning the validity of the statements made by those implying that the human body does not adapt. It does. Believe me. So, that being, most will develop a tolerance to a benzo., antidepressant, antibiotic, etc... It is how we are. Period. And there are absolutely no experts on any medications. Not even liscenced practitioners. I have seen that first hand too! I believe to have made my point now. All comments welcome and encouraged!
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> Frankie.
Okay, myself nor Alan nor anyone else is doubting the fact that you are indeed knowledgable regarding the ins and outs of benzos-but how can an individual base what they feel or what they should do based solely on a report they read in a medical journal??? Alan for instance-says that he has been using benzos for 20 years and they are still effective-what would he have to gain by fabricating this? Each person is different, and yes, its true-we DO adapt over time, but we cant look into the future. We are guaranteed nothing. If you live day by day, you do only what is right in front of you, and what is going to help you feel better that day and that day alone. Because the next morning, you do it all over again. Forget concerns of long term use and its debate. If a certain benzo works and makes you feel better alone without a AD (like myself) then go for it. And if by chance over time, it does not seem to work as well, then you deal with it then. I am biased. Klono has done wonders for me over the last year. I havent felt this good since the early '90s. My God, if eating dog s**t made me feel this good, I'd do that! Frank-you have some solid arguments, but there are also many solid arguments against your "findings".
Absolutelt nothing personal. We're all in this together bro.


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