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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder Meds sar

Posted by Elizabeth on October 30, 2001, at 22:59:23

In reply to Re: Borderline Personality Disorder Meds Elizabeth, posted by sar on October 30, 2001, at 15:39:20

> thanks for the link to the painting, i stared at it for quite awhile...

Yeah, isn't Vermeer great? He's one of my favourite artists.

> yeah...i guess i just know too many people who have attempted it or made "gestures" to consider it weird. you get so depressed sometimes that it just makes sense...

"Danger to self or others" is grounds for being committed involuntarily (in Massachusetts and probably every other state), regardless of whether it's understandable or makes sense!

> > I think adolescence should be considered a mental illness. :-)
> ha ha...what about early adulthood?

Emotionally, adolescence lasts well beyond the time a person has finished growing, IMO.

>'s another interesting thing: she's a freudian psychoanalyst (i've stopped seeing her) and believed that depression must be preceeded by a personality every depressed person is at least mildly personality-disordered. what do you make of that?

I think it's absurd, but some clinicians advocate adding "depressive personality disorder" to the DSM. The proposed diagnostic criteria are in the appendix to DSM-IV (you can read them, and some discussion of the concept, at, but there's no indication of how depressive PD would be distinguished from dysthymia.

> my dad is actually having a very difficult time getting life insurance right now--physically healthy man who's led a clean life, but he dabbled in AD's in the nineties...and the insurance co's don't want him...

Probably it's because the depression was recent (in the last decade).

> > Did he give any reason for considering you histrionic?
> mmmm...skimpy clothes, i was a little bit drunk, and my social anxiety tends to melt away if i'm in the company of only one other person.

Alcohol probably has a disinhibiting effect, too. (You went to see your shrink drunk? Jeez! < g >)

> also, it's been shown that many people with social anxiety don't *appear* to have can't *see* heart palpitations or butterflies in the stomach, sweaty underarms, or another person's tunnel's possible to act like a completely normal person while experiencing those symptoms.

I know. I've actually known quite a few people who professed to have very bad social anxiety but who outwardly seemed to be very skilled at dealing with people.

> > A lot of people don't get how a financially well-off, educated person who had a pretty good childhood could be seriously depressed -- it's a problem I've run into as well.
> yes, i'm glad you were able to make sense of what i wrote, i was gittin kinda riled up over it--he told me, "oh, you've just read too much Ayn Rand." (i've never read any of her books, nor do i want to.) "too much Camus," he said then. i could have bitten him.

I sympathize! I think that it's unprofessional for psych clinicians to be so judgmental (especially when they try to make their value judgments sound like objective clinical observations). Anyway, I don't recommend Ayn Rand at all! I tried to read a couple of her books, but they were so dreadful I couldn't get very far. But what do her ideas have to do with what we were talking about?

> thanks, Elizabeth.

Sure thing. It's good talking with you.





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