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more stuff -- Shelli and Lorraine

Posted by Elizabeth on August 29, 2001, at 8:45:42

In reply to Re: Update Lorainne, Elizabeth, et. al. shelliR, posted by Lorraine on August 26, 2001, at 14:48:33

> > > > I asked him again about buph and he feels that it is a "dirty" drug, that it has too many side effects and causes too many complications in combinations with other drugs. He's also not convinced there is no tolerance with buprenorphine.
> > >
> > > He likes to make his job easier, doesn't he?
> > Well, the side effects would be mine, so I don't understand what you mean.
>
> I meant that the complications in combinations with other drugs could probably be worked out if he cared to do it.

I'm a little puzzled as to what he's talking about, actually. Buprenorphine does have pretty intense side effects -- oxycodone is probably more tolerable -- but it doesn't have any particularly bad drug interactions that I know of. Shelli?

As for tolerance, I think that if oxycodone is causing it, buprenorphine might too, but possibly at a slower rate.

> > Part of it was that she loved her life, but also part of it was that she didn't perceive of adults having fun and enjoying life like kids do (at least the kids she knows). And then I was amazed to read a piece in the Wash Post talking about how that lack of eagerness to grow up was becoming a common feeling that differed a lot from the previous generations. I don't remember what I thought about becoming an adult in the future, but I didn't perceive it as a bad thing, like my niece and the kids in the article did.

That's interesting. What did the kids in the article say? And when did this trend seem to begin, if the article says? I remember that when I was little, I couldn't wait to grow up, because I felt helpless and ineffective -- I didn't have any real freedom, nobody took me seriously, etc. Now, of course, I'm seeing some of the down side. :-}

> I hadn't really thought of it before--except in the context of choosing schools for them and deciding not to put them in an AP mill school because childhood is important to protect from adult pressures until necessary.

I can understand the idea of not wanting to put too much pressure on kids. But at the same time, I strongly believe that it's very important for gifted children to get an education that's appropriate to their intelligence. If you try to hold them back, it's likely that they will be very bored and may lose their intellectual curiosity and enthuasiasm. I think there's enough peer pressure on smart kids to be average or "normal" (as opposed to being nerds or whatever) -- the last thing they need is to get pressured to be average by adults, too.

> Right. The therapy has just been one appointment and I'm trying to set up a regular schedule for him. But his aggression and anger is so near the surface now, I'm wondering about meds. His therapist said that in boys aggressive behaviour frequently is the result of a lack of serontonin. I could try 5HTP with him. I'm wrestling with it.

I actually think it would be better for him to see a psychiatrist who could make a recommendation as to whether he needs meds than to try to treat him yourself.

> > But you have been on parnate such a short time.
>
> Almost a month (can you believe that?)

At what dose, though? I mean, seriously, you shouldn't expect something to work at a subtherapeutic dose just because you've been taking it for a long time.

> The headaches seem to have abated and if the rash goes away, then I'll continue with it for longer. The other side effect is just a lithargy in the afternoon--when my blood pressure seems to dip (93/56) so maybe salt tablet and water?

I don't know how to deal with the afternoon fatigue that seems like a universal side effect of MAOIs. (I think this subject merits a separate thread, actually.)

-elizabeth


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