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Re: I'll hold your hand if you'll hold mine Elizabeth

Posted by Lorraine on July 10, 2001, at 14:27:49

In reply to Re: I'll hold your hand if you'll hold mine Lorraine, posted by Elizabeth on July 9, 2001, at 21:45:18

> [re Wellbutrin]
> > The hallucinations were dancing lights--like the light reflecting off the walls refracting into dazzling, bouncing displays. I had visual trails as well--the type you get on MJ--with the movement of my hands or body sometimes.
> I think those are more what would be described as "illusions" than outright hallucinations -- you saw things in subtly different ways, but you didn't really see things that just weren't there at all (if that makes sense). I saw visual trails when I had the serotonin syndrome (on Effexor XR), BTW. I've heard speculation that LSD (a serotonin-related psychedelic drug which also tends to cause visual trails, among other things) works by blocking some sort of sensory filtering mechanism.

You're right--there are more like an interference with proper eye functioning and yes, they do remind me of LSD trails--when I was much younger in the 60s. I suspect that once you have taken LSD illusions and so forth is a state much more easily slipped into. (Sort like once your mind knows the way there, it's easy to return.)

> I also had some innocuous auditory illusions -- hearing music in the shower -- on Nardil. I interpreted it as my mind trying to make sense out of the chaos of white noise that the shower makes.

I think I've had something like this before.
[re: hallucinate on Neurontin]

> Those might be hypnagogic hallucinations. These are visions that happen as you're falling asleep. They're usually not narrative like REM sleep dreams are. I've had them a number of times.

This sounds right.

> {re: learning to drive}

I think it's much easier when you are younger.

> [re cytochrome p450 2d6 deficiency test]
> It's not a common test; a doctor might not be interested in ordering it unless there's a really good reason to believe you might be a slow metaboliser. (What counts as "really good" probably depends on the doctor.)

Then I suspect they won't do it on me.

[re Inderal] I like it for as-needed use. I wouldn't want to take it around the clock, though. It does lower your pulse (which can be a good thing if you're on MAOIs or TCAs, actually). It can cause nightmares as a side effect, which isn't too great.

Well, my hyperventilating is not short term unfortunately and I suspect that the Inderal isn't going to be my long term solution because of the pulse lowering effect--it kind of takes the wind out of my sails. Although it REALLY helps with the sleeping. So I may end up using it at night. I think I need to get on a med that handles the hyperventilating and the depression at the same time. So, given my problems with SSRI's, it's TCA time I think.

> > Trying to figure out how to take Inderal.
> Based on the duration of action, most people with hypertension take it 4 times daily. I take 10-20 mg as needed.

That would really knock me out. I'm at 5 mg 2x day and it knocks me out and, yet, doesn't completely solve the hyperventilating thing.

{ re: Konopin.} My experience has been that you can take it on a short-term trial basis -- for a week, say -- without any withdrawal symptoms.

My hunch is that I should have it in the med cabinet for emergencies (family visits).

[re: MAOI-TCA combinations] generally aren't much of an improvement over one drug or the other, but for some people they work wonders.

Well, I'm hoping that I just transition over to the TCA and wean off the MAO. I think the Selegiline is making the hyperventilating worse. How is the DMI working for you?

> (Do you mean "melancholia," "melancholic featueres," "melancholic depression," etc.?)

Yeah, that's what I mean. Sounds like it is a particularly tough kind of depression.

> That's a depression thing (indecisiveness). It's a big problem for me too.

Boy, isn't that the truth. Decisions can seem like riddles and then poof when the depression lifts the knots unravel themselves before your eyes and you wonder what the fuss was all about.





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