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Re: 1 person's view. loosmrbls

Posted by JahL on May 18, 2001, at 11:42:52

In reply to Re: Nichole, I'm with you!!, posted by loosmrbls on May 18, 2001, at 8:11:12

> I can only see one road with these drugs: (1) Sedation and at least a mild impairment in daily functioning (2) Tolerance (if not addiction) (3)a large potential for overdose.

Hi Loos. You seem a v. knowledgable chap & I 'm not looking for any kind of argument (gOD it's tense rnd here). The above sounds like a suicidal on TCAs:-)

> My experience has been that these drugs mask, not relieve, depression. And that's only short-term. I hardly see opiates as a life-affirming cure for depression. Ask the Chinese.

Seriously, tho', you're guilty here of what you've (rightly) accused others of doing; generalising YR experience for others. Bad science. If you take a look thru' Medline you will see all sorts of v. esoteric & obscure drugs bringing relief. Generally the subjects of these studies are extremely treatment-resistant & are subsequently unlikely to exhibit placebo effect. The presiding opinion here recently seems to be that unless a drug can 'cure' say, 5% of depressives, it has no merit. Don't the remaining 5% count?

Fwiw I know 2 long-term (2 & 5 yrs), low-dose opioid-users who experience few of the problems you describe, & are damn-near euthymic a lot of the time. More than they wld be on conventional drugs.

I can't speak for the Chinese but then neither can you. We *know* that opioids are very habit-forming for most people (part of the reason Eric's posts are so redundant), but can you prove this is so for all people? This board stands testament to the fact that not all people are alike in their responses to drugs. Coke gets you high? Makes me feel like shit.

I'm trying to keep an open mind...


ps. why do people take issue with my (generally) reasonable posts, yet do not take to task an individual on THIS thread who regularly claims to know all the drugs required for treating depression, that ALL Bipolar can be cured by 4 existing MSs, & who regularly *encourages* people, w/o the knowledge of their doc, to purchase drugs in Mexico?

Not aimed @ you Marbs, but a lot of posts recently seem to be agenda-driven. My only agenda is to get well.

PPS. I've just noticed you. Good to see someone else (not me) is trying to fill the 'expertise vacuum'. :-)




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