Posted by kid47 on March 30, 2001, at 17:14:38
In reply to Re: The Tip of the Iceberg..............Kid47 » kid47, posted by Leo on March 29, 2001, at 13:22:00
> I respect the stand you take in strongly attempting to nuetralize the facts surrounding effexor. And yes, I do strongly suspect that you are employed by Wyeth-Ayerst. But thats OK to. The people coming to this site are interested in only the one drug that is adversly affecting them........effexor. Attempting to nuetralize what people are saying about the drug is an of obvious form of "damage control." So we will respect your attempts to do so. However, the one thing that you can't neutralize are the experiences posted here and on the hundreds of other sites out there. They are real and exacting.
>Leo I'm not trying to neutralize anything. Damage control for what purpose? Are you on any meds now?
> Let me give you some more facts:
> 1) All the side effects of Chemotherapy and Radiation Therapy are disclosed prior to treatment beginning. This is done so that the patient knows what to expect....both short and long term. I know because I'm a cancer survivor.
> And of course the good (living) undergoing treatment outways the bad (certain death)left untreated. I think you'll agree that this is a no brainer.
> For many of us our illness is a life & death struggle. It is estimated that over 15% of folks with untreated or ineffectly treated mental illness will die by their own hand!
> 2) Those of us that will not be exposed to the next gerneration of effexor aren't concerned about what
fewer problems may be associated with the drug. We are victims of the existing drug. That is our concern.
>It is believed by some that mental illness shows a familial & genetic predisposition. If God forbid either of my children were to have my illness I would certainly be interested in the next generation of meds. In fact I would think anyone with a mental disorder would be hopeful for the next batch of meds-if not for themselves for anyone else who is suffering
3) Those people out there that suffer from depression, chronic or otherwise, seek medical treatment to help cure or abate their illness. They trust that what their doctor is prescribing is going to make them better. Not worsen their condition by presenting a whole new set of side effects that exaserbate the problem.
> Ya Right.
> 4) All legal drugs undergo reasonable testing for effectiveness and safety.....as did Phen Phen. I think everyone is aware of the aftermath associated with its "reasonable testing for effectiveness and safety."
>Pick a battle Leo. You mad at the drug companies, the FDA, the docs, me?
> 5) I know of no federal aid ever being available to any drug company for defense or settlement money. I do know that the government gets invloved as an arbitrator involving any settlement amounts and dispersion. They don't finance legal defense fees, nor do they delve out settlement money. This comes out of the drug companies pocket.
>My mistake. This money is available only when the lawsuits involve vaccines.
> 6) If people were more aware of the potential side effects of the drug prior to taking it then there wouldn't be so many bewildered or frightened people coming to sites like this.
>Agreed. But I think anyone visiting this site would be well aware of the potential for side effects. Perhaps you should take your case to the National Enquirer. It is read by millions.
>Leo & Pam. As you might have gathered I am getting a little fed up with the somewhat disparraging tone of your most recent posts. I am partly to blame as I have failed to communicate clearly to you my concerns. First I am afraid that this type of hysteria might put someone off from trying FXR who might desperately need it. Secondly, in the past, I have seen some very wise & helpful people become fed up & exit this site because of..... shall I say people pursuing a questionable agenda with more than adequate zeal. Sue whomever you wish to sue & bring whatever legal action you feel necessary but pleeeeaaaase no more swinging the cat by the tail or I may be forced to call the SPCA. ( Sorry Dr. B I was civil for as long as I could be)
>PS What have you got against electrical engineers Pamela?