Posted by steve on March 2, 2001, at 16:59:02
In reply to The _Real_ way to defeat depression (with meds), posted by SalArmy4me on March 2, 2001, at 9:07:07
There are several faulty conclusions.
Getting meds from overseas without a doctor's okay is illegal.
No psychotropic acts on purely one neurotransmitter system. As Cam will tell you, one sees changes to the CRF, Glucocorticoid, noradrenergic receptors in the supposedly "serotonin selective" SSRIs.
Whatever the merits of MAOIs in atypical depression, taking parnate in agitated depressive states in a sure fire receipe for disaster.
Since you like to take matters into your own hands, maybe trepaning might be an option. It has been around for a thousand years, and few who have done it have been heard to complain about it afterwards. Here's a link:
http://www.crank.com/crank2/crank2_trepan1.html
> This is going to be refreshing.
>
> I could tell you to passively comply with your conservative doctor's idea of good treatment for depression. But I know from experience that there is an aggressive and more effective way of defeating depression, one that noone is willing to promote openly for fear of chastisement-- it means circumventing your doctor (somehow thought of as a crime in middle-class America):
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> 1) Get the medications any way you can. If you can't get your doctor to prescribe them, then go to Mexico. Go to Canada if you want moclobemide or reboxetine.
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> 2) Get an antidepressant that works on two or more chemicals in the brain. Effexor is good; Parnate (I recommend it); Remeron.
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> 3) Go up to the maximum dose or 75% of the maximum dose as soon as you can. Though everyone else will tell you to do this gradually, the psychiatrists don't want you to do this for fear that you move on to another doctor due to dissatisfaction (side-effects). From my years of experience, taking a full dose early on _does_ help. If you can make it through the initial side-effects, you have what it takes to rid yourself of depression quickly. Side-effects will lessen with time.
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> 4) Add Lithium as soon as you can tolerate the first antidepressant. No other augmentation agent has been proven to work as well as Lithium. Most studies say that improvement from Lithium is fast and dramatic, usually within a week.
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> 5) Combat the side-effects: This is the only way you will be able to make it through a medicaiton like Parnate or Lithium. Here are the medications you might need: Prilosec/Prevacid (stomacheache,
> esophagitis, nausea); Inderal (tremor); Urecholine/Flomax (dry mouth, constipation, sweating, urinary retention); Provigil/Cylert
> (drowsiness, fatigue); Elavil/Depakote (headaches);
> Desyrel/Restoril/Ambien (short-acting relief of insomnia); Selegan (salivation); Wellbutrin/Remeron (sexual side-effects); Cycling (Neurontin/Lamictal); Allegra/Claritin (congestion)...etc.
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> 6) Wait until your un-prescribed medication has worked for a month; definitely have your doctor give you a prescription for it (now its legal), then put on a good act like you have never taken it before.
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> 7) You might have some side-effect, and you scare the crap out of yourself because you erroneously think you have a mortal illness. My Dr. Dad says (not verbatim), "Every medication lists many horrific side-effects on the prescribing-reference, and noone actually gets them. But my patients will object to taking medications I prescribe, based on the miniscule chance of a permanent side effect-- the sad part is that they will suffer until they have no other choice but to accept
> treatment."
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> Best wishes for your full recovery by Easter...
poster:steve
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